I guess old William Shakespeare was wrong, a rose renamed Adolf Hitler just wouldn't smell as sweet.

These parents = the epitomy of trash.

Imo, there really should be a law against giving children certain names. I can't even begin to imagine the hell the child will go through because of his name.

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by keltic1701

You're obviously not a student of history or you wouldn't saying the things you are saying. I wouldn't expect a 20 year old from NC to have any idea just how traumatic WW2 was to the people of Europe....and still is to this day. My parents are from Europe and they lived through the war. They told me how Hitler launched buzz-bombs and V2's at Northern Ireland because it had one of the largest shipyards in the UK. They told me about how food, and fuel was rationed because most of it was going to the war effort. And that, my young friend, was just the tip of the iceberg. Those people who were victims of Hitler and lucky enough to survive were scared for life. The people who lived on the Continent were under a rain of Allied bombs and were bombed back to the Stone Age. Those who had whole families and their way of life destroyed because Hitler want to rule the world. And THAT is the reason people are STILL upset with boneheads like this kids parents. You are the one with the issues.You are the one who needs to open his eyes and see this for slap in the face that this is. Not those who are offended because two people don't use the sense that God gave them.

Personally I don't care how many europeans died because of Hitler, the kid is not Hitler just named after him for some utterly contrived reason.  And the family didn't commit genocide either, maybe they are Neo Nazis, doesn't matter it is a simple exchange of money and goods, no reason to let your personal opinion of Hilter play into it.

And that is why I say they have issues, not being able to seperate the conotations of the name Hitler from a simple cake request.

No matter what you think of Hitler, it happened in the past, and there is no reason to get so offended over people naming their children after Nazis, because if they did it to offend people then you are doing what they want you to, but either way it really isn't anybodies business.

No one was saying that the kid is a reincarnation of Hitler or that his parents are guilty of anything other than being neo-Nazi headline grabbers. This goes far beyond a simple business transaction and something that is a black memory of the people, even from your generation, of Holland and all of Europe. You may think  that history is history and that it has no bearing on you or anyone else that is living in 2008, but you couldn't be any more wrong. History and the past resonates through the years, decades and centuries. Hitler and WW2 may seem like ancient history to you but the effects of are still being felt today. That the US became a superpower came from the fact we gained a lot of influence becase our manufacturing  infractructure was left in tact we were the turning point in a war that the Allies were losing. Because of that we were able to establish a way of life that unparralleled in other times and most certianly to those countries who were ravaged by the war. You live the way you do TODAY because of events that happened in the past and so it DOES have an influence on you and others even if you don't realize it or acknowledge it. That is only one of the effects of WW2 has had on our world in 2008. Only lesser creatures have no sense of the past and its effect on the present and future. The past isn't dead or static, it is the very exsistance is what makes us what we are today.

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Tyres100

 Hmm lets see, possibly because the cake decorator might be older and may remember the history of their country. Not only did the cake decorator know the names of which these belonged to in history but it also probably rememberd them of the 4 or 5 years occupation the Nazis had on Holland and the capital, of which over that time a couple hundred thousand died. Holland had close to 300k dead from the Germans taking over Holland.

You can be ignorant but at least think about what your saying next time and be ignorant in a more lightening way.

Also John Wayne Gacey is not as popular as Hitlers name. I can't believe I am having to explain this.

 

Oh I get it I just think they are acting a little stupid about it, I wouldn't deny people business because I found their kids name distasteful and the cake decorator is being very unprofessional.  And if they won't make a cake because it says Adolf Hitler on it I think that they are also being immature.  Who cares about the history of their country the kid had nothing to do with it, he just happens to be named after a nefarious character as are the other children, but it seems the cake decorators took it personally.

For whatever reason they decided to name the kids that, I don't think there is so much a problem with the children's stupid names but more how negatively some people react towards them.

It seems the people who are offended by the children's names have quite a bit of issues themselves.

 

I agree with cactusmanx here, I think it is stupid for the people at SHOPRITE not to put the childs name on the cake.  The kid most certainly is NOT Adolf Hitler, and no one will be seeing the cake other than family members, or other nazi followers, except that is for the person who just writes the name on the cake.  So if this cake writer never said anything, shut his mouth, and just wrote the stupid name on the damn cake NONE of this would be happening.  There would be no forums post, or a waste of bullshit news.  Honestly, do you people really care that much for this childs name..

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Tyres100

 Hmm lets see, possibly because the cake decorator might be older and may remember the history of their country. Not only did the cake decorator know the names of which these belonged to in history but it also probably rememberd them of the 4 or 5 years occupation the Nazis had on Holland and the capital, of which over that time a couple hundred thousand died. Holland had close to 300k dead from the Germans taking over Holland.

You can be ignorant but at least think about what your saying next time and be ignorant in a more lightening way.

Also John Wayne Gacey is not as popular as Hitlers name. I can't believe I am having to explain this.

 

Oh I get it I just think they are acting a little stupid about it, I wouldn't deny people business because I found their kids name distasteful and the cake decorator is being very unprofessional.  And if they won't make a cake because it says Adolf Hitler on it I think that they are also being immature.  Who cares about the history of their country the kid had nothing to do with it, he just happens to be named after a nefarious character as are the other children, but it seems the cake decorators took it personally.

For whatever reason they decided to name the kids that, I don't think there is so much a problem with the children's stupid names but more how negatively some people react towards them.

It seems the people who are offended by the children's names have quite a bit of issues themselves.

 

 

I agree with cactusmanx here, I think it is stupid for the people at SHOPRITE not to put the childs name on the cake.  The kid most certainly is NOT Adolf Hitler, and no one will be seeing the cake other than family members, or other nazi followers, except that is for the person who just writes the name on the cake.  So if this cake writer never said anything, shut his mouth, and just wrote the stupid name on the damn cake NONE of this would be happening.  There would be no forums post, or a waste of bullshit news.  Honestly, do you people really care that much for this childs name..

Evidently yes... In fact it seems a great deal of people care. You and Catusmanx see this as an either/or situation when it's much more complex than that. Both of you and those who feel the same way seem to ignore what that name means to people, especially those in Europe and those who actually fought in that war. You can try write it off as "No big deal. Just a name on a cake" but if you scratch the surface you will see that there is much more to it.

To me, this article shows the problem with US freedom.

The idea that everyone should have the freedom to live life exactly as they please, sounds great - but it requires individuals that are able to govern themselves.

So if people don't want to be responsible, there have to be laws - in this case laws against naming your child "Mass Murderer Racist Madman" which is basically how people interpret the name Adolph Hitler.

The difficulties the kids will have because of their parents are pretty close to child abuse if you ask me:

- they grow up in a culture of hate and racism, in a country with newly elected black president...

- they will be bullied at school

- they may feel less worth since they are named after one of the most hated political groups and persons

- they will wonder why the f'ck they were born into this family

- they will either have to break with their parents or become neonazis', I don't think the parents will accept any less. So either way it will be a loss, since nazis' aren't your overall cozy community.

This is why US will have to have more regulations - there are people that simply won't be responsible enough to govern themselves. They will continue to f'ck things up until they aren't allowed to anymore. They wont stop because you dislike it, they just love to push the limits. It's not like it stops with the birthday cake, it's about continuing to make dysfunctional individuals in a society.

I bet the parents had a f'cked up childhood, but even if they didn't they shouldn't be allowed to scar their children for life.

my opinion anyway

Originally posted by Inzra

The difficulties the kids will have because of their parents are pretty close to child abuse if you ask me:

- they grow up in a culture of hate and racism, in a country with newly elected black president... simply the point, comming from their parents.

- they will be bullied at school - or become to bully

- they may feel less worth since they are named after one of the most hated political groups and persons - Or they might feel really powerful, since Adolf Hitler did have much.

- they will wonder why the f'ck they were born into this family. - The child probably already knows, to hate.

- they will either have to break with their parents or become neonazis', I don't think the parents will accept any less. So either way it will be a loss, since nazis' aren't your overall cozy community. - They probably will all be neo nazi's. watch the gang stuff on National geographic.

So, it can pretty much go both ways, we dont know yet.  I guess we'll find out perhaps only if he starts another mass genocide.

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by Inzra

The difficulties the kids will have because of their parents are pretty close to child abuse if you ask me:

- they grow up in a culture of hate and racism, in a country with newly elected black president... simply the point, comming from their parents.

- they will be bullied at school - or become to bully

- they may feel less worth since they are named after one of the most hated political groups and persons - Or they might feel really powerful, since Adolf Hitler did have much.

- they will wonder why the f'ck they were born into this family. - The child probably already knows, to hate.

- they will either have to break with their parents or become neonazis', I don't think the parents will accept any less. So either way it will be a loss, since nazis' aren't your overall cozy community. - They probably will all be neo nazi's. watch the gang stuff on National geographic.

 

So, it can pretty much go both ways, we dont know yet.  I guess we'll find out perhaps only if he starts another mass genocide.

He won't even have to start a mass genocide to prove how screwed up he could be. All he needs to do is be another goosestepping neo-Nazi just like dear 'ol Mom and Dad.

Originally posted by CactusmanX
Who cares about the history of their country the kid had nothing to do with it, he just happens to be named after a nefarious character as are the other children, but it seems the cake decorators took it personally.

Actually, he didn't just "happen" to be named that. His parents did it with the full intention of being attention whores and trying to "make a statement."

The fact is, they could've asked for just "Happy Birthday Adolf," but no... they wanted his full name there on purpose. They're disgusting, biggoted morons who are more than happy to ruin their children's lives with horrid names just so they can get a laugh out of it. Good for the bakery for refusing them.

Originally posted by CactusmanX

What is the big deal, if I wanted a birthday cake made for someone named John Wayne Gacey I would expect them to make it, why get so huffy? Money is money who cares what people want written on their cakes?

You guys just have to take cactusmanX with a grain of salt. He supports cannabilism and beastality.

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by keltic1701

You're obviously not a student of history or you wouldn't saying the things you are saying. I wouldn't expect a 20 year old from NC to have any idea just how traumatic WW2 was to the people of Europe....and still is to this day. My parents are from Europe and they lived through the war. They told me how Hitler launched buzz-bombs and V2's at Northern Ireland because it had one of the largest shipyards in the UK. They told me about how food, and fuel was rationed because most of it was going to the war effort. And that, my young friend, was just the tip of the iceberg. Those people who were victims of Hitler and lucky enough to survive were scared for life. The people who lived on the Continent were under a rain of Allied bombs and were bombed back to the Stone Age. Those who had whole families and their way of life destroyed because Hitler want to rule the world. And THAT is the reason people are STILL upset with boneheads like this kids parents. You are the one with the issues.You are the one who needs to open his eyes and see this for slap in the face that this is. Not those who are offended because two people don't use the sense that God gave them.

Personally I don't care how many europeans died because of Hitler, the kid is not Hitler just named after him for some utterly contrived reason.  And the family didn't commit genocide either, maybe they are Neo Nazis, doesn't matter it is a simple exchange of money and goods, no reason to let your personal opinion of Hilter play into it.

And that is why I say they have issues, not being able to seperate the conotations of the name Hitler from a simple cake request.

No matter what you think of Hitler, it happened in the past, and there is no reason to get so offended over people naming their children after Nazis, because if they did it to offend people then you are doing what they want you to, but either way it really isn't anybodies business.

What if the cake were to have description like:

- "11.september 2001, a success!"

- "In Osama Bin Laden we trust!"

- "Death to America and it's constitution!"

The thing is, the freedom you crave are protected by laws. But freedom means lack of laws, so it implies the possibility to destroy the laws that are protecting freedom... it's biting it's tail.

In addition the obvious argument is of course that if parents are allowed to choose their kids name freely, then any buisness should be able to choose their customers or products they want to sell as they like.

What we have is a kind of semi-freedom, with laws that are protecting and destroying the same freedom.

We have to look at the overall total picture, you can't just look at the individual when there is an entire society involved. If the individual is the only thing that matters, then we get a shitty society, since other people don't matter. And the society is there no matter what, and then you get people like the Campbells that basically screams for attention. They've gotten to the point that they want to be accepted the way they are, or that someone can come in and help them change.

Just my opinion again.