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Originally posted by StopidFanboi I have this friend, he told the bank he was making a game, and he took moneyz and spent it on hookers and crack and some fake screenz, and he sold empty CDs to pplz but made no much moneyz and said "sry lol" and bank wuz like "np lol" and he went to hawaii. True story.
Nope. I'm being ridiculous. Riiiight. Because nobody has ever scammed investors or the government out of money. Nobody has ever falsified money expenditure reports. Nobody has ever borrowed money that they never intened to pay back with some bogus business idea. None of that would EVER happen! ...Silly me! {sighs} |
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12/16/08 3:53:40 AM#42
Originally posted by SignusM Even if they spent 10 million which I HIGHLY DOUBT judging by everything that's ever been released from this... where did that 10 mill go into??? Because it sure as fuck doesn't look like it went into any game.. and they never got 27 mill anything. That was simply stupid fanboys being totally ignorant to what a convertible bond loan means. 8 people could literally build everything that this game has ever shown publically. LITERALLY. |
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12/16/08 4:02:35 AM#43
Originally posted by berniebear
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12/16/08 5:35:18 AM#44
Originally posted by mcpoopypantz
Nah, they'll be either very quiet and playing their little themeparkride, or right beside us in Darkfall (claiming to have always supported DF ofc).
I forgot about the undercover trolls hahaha
It's exactly this that I will never even consider playing Darkfal. I have never seen such extreme fanboism, elitish attitudes in a gaming forum before as with Darfall. Everyone that doesn't praise this game into the eternal heavens. Everyone that doesn't worship the developers as being the next godly saints. Is classified as a troll and hater. It's not only in this topic, but in every darn one on this forum! Just the idea of residing with such people on one server makes me vomit already. Cheers |
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DarthRaiden
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/20/05
i make art, Forum Terrorist |
12/16/08 5:54:58 AM#45
Originally posted by EloD Even if they spent 10 million which I HIGHLY DOUBT judging by everything that's ever been released from this... where did that 10 mill go into??? Because it sure as fuck doesn't look like it went into any game.. and they never got 27 mill anything. That was simply stupid fanboys being totally ignorant to what a convertible bond loan means. 8 people could literally build everything that this game has ever shown publically. LITERALLY.
What you babbling about ? -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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12/16/08 7:16:16 AM#46
Originally posted by EloD Even if they spent 10 million which I HIGHLY DOUBT judging by everything that's ever been released from this... where did that 10 mill go into??? Because it sure as fuck doesn't look like it went into any game.. and they never got 27 mill anything. That was simply stupid fanboys being totally ignorant to what a convertible bond loan means. 8 people could literally build everything that this game has ever shown publically. LITERALLY.
no they couldnt would you stop your making a arse out of your self |
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12/16/08 7:18:04 AM#47
Originally posted by Guillermo197
I forgot about the undercover trolls hahaha
It's exactly this that I will never even consider playing Darkfal. I have never seen such extreme fanboism, elitish attitudes in a gaming forum before as with Darfall. Everyone that doesn't praise this game into the eternal heavens. Everyone that doesn't worship the developers as being the next godly saints. Is classified as a troll and hater. It's not only in this topic, but in every darn one on this forum! Just the idea of residing with such people on one server makes me vomit already. Cheers
this is actulyl why i dont care if oyuplay or not becasue we wont have to listen to yoru QQ qhen you get lotted if you cant take a few peoples words on a forums |
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12/16/08 7:34:09 AM#48
Originally posted by downtoearth
I forgot about the undercover trolls hahaha
It's exactly this that I will never even consider playing Darkfal. I have never seen such extreme fanboism, elitish attitudes in a gaming forum before as with Darfall. Everyone that doesn't praise this game into the eternal heavens. Everyone that doesn't worship the developers as being the next godly saints. Is classified as a troll and hater. It's not only in this topic, but in every darn one on this forum! Just the idea of residing with such people on one server makes me vomit already. Cheers
this is actulyl why i dont care if oyuplay or not becasue we wont have to listen to yoru QQ qhen you get lotted if you cant take a few peoples words on a forums I would care if i were you, the game gotta earn a profit lest you may find yourself without the game at all. |
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12/16/08 7:41:18 AM#49
Originally posted by Thekandy
It's exactly this that I will never even consider playing Darkfal. I have never seen such extreme fanboism, elitish attitudes in a gaming forum before as with Darfall. Everyone that doesn't praise this game into the eternal heavens. Everyone that doesn't worship the developers as being the next godly saints. Is classified as a troll and hater. It's not only in this topic, but in every darn one on this forum! Just the idea of residing with such people on one server makes me vomit already. Cheers
this is actulyl why i dont care if oyuplay or not becasue we wont have to listen to yoru QQ qhen you get lotted if you cant take a few peoples words on a forums I would care if i were you, the game gotta earn a profit lest you may find yourself without the game at all.
The thing is, those touting they won't play will not even if it is a good game, some are just trying to stroke the fire and will be playing regardless of what they say to be honest. The game will be judged on it's merits by those that had any interest in playing, those that lacked that interest will not try it. Us forum Warriors are a minority in the community, anyone that thinks otherwise is pretty new to MMO's lol. This goes for trolls and fans alike, most don't register and many of those that do register almost never post. If people truley based there view on a game vs how said communities tollerance of trolls is, then well what MMO would we play? How many communities here tollerate trolls to any great extent? |
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12/16/08 8:44:51 AM#50
Originally posted by radlin
Where was 40 million on Vanguard used? and 60 million for AoC you ask? Well, they obviously have a helluva lot more to show for their games then does Darkfall, wouldn't you agree? They have servers up and running for the most obvious thing. I know that's not much different then all the blind empty promises you love so much from Tasos, but I say that's a HUGE difference. But to get more specific, each of SOE (Sony Online Entertainment) and Funcom have hundreds, if not thousands of employees. Also both of these two games were heavily advertised in magazines, on websites everywhere, etc etc. Advertising is a huge cost alone. Not to mention staffs that are ten to fifty times bigger then the staff employed by Aventurine. Atleast ten times the staff + advertising with both of the companies you mention would require at least ten times the money, wouldn't you think? Well 40 million and 60 million are not ten times 27 million. 27 million multiplied by 10 would be 270 million which is no where near the costs of Vanguard or Age of Conan. But somehow, Aventurine has blown 27 million on a very small staff and NO advertising at all. And a small office in Greece. Someone said that they are probably paying a million dollars per year for that office.. and I laugh insanely at that. The is NO WAY in hell that office I have seen in those photos is a million dollar per year office. Maybe a 50k office per year TOPS, and that would be a long shot. Again I stand by my original statement. They had all that money, all those people, and all the advertising, and they both had something else in common. A retention rate of about 30%. Ask the developers who worked on Vanguard who were fired in the parking lot at Sigil. They knew the game was unplayable and the project was horribly mismanaged by McQuaid. He even admitted that Brad had never played WoW before. If you are in the soft drink business you think you would at least have tasted a coke or pepsi before diving in. Tasos has proven he has a knowledge of the genre just by what little we know about the game from previews. What about Funcom's fortune? We are over 6 months deep and the direct X 10 that was listed on the box might finally be showing up. Anyone remember how AoC was touted as one of thje flagship games for DX10? Oh how's that drunken brawling? That's right, it's still not in. My advice to you is stop trolling the forums and go find something else to do. The game will be out in 5 weeks, then everyone will know what he has been able to accomplish using his small staff. Until then, stop trying to pretend you are the Aventurine accountant, programmer, network engineer, and every other random idiot who somehow thinks he knows more then the industry professionals. Tasos has his day coming, and he has earned the right to have us give it a fair and objective look when the day comes. Until then, go find something else to worry about. |
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12/16/08 8:50:12 AM#51
Doesn't matter how much money you throw at a MMORPG if you don't have the direction, skill and commitment Most of the new MMORPG's have failed due to overstretching their technical needs or reproducing a WoWesque environment Darkfall is attempting to insert a fresh approach to MMORPG's as so does not have to compete with WoW or other like games, as they can offer things that those MMORPG models just can't For old skool MMORPG's this is a breath of fresh air, and if it is modestly successful it will pave the way for more refined and improved MMORPG Models
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12/16/08 9:33:34 AM#52
Originally posted by GrayGhost79 I would care if i were you, the game gotta earn a profit lest you may find yourself without the game at all.
The thing is, those touting they won't play will not even if it is a good game, some are just trying to stroke the fire and will be playing regardless of what they say to be honest. The game will be judged on it's merits by those that had any interest in playing, those that lacked that interest will not try it. Us forum Warriors are a minority in the community, anyone that thinks otherwise is pretty new to MMO's lol. This goes for trolls and fans alike, most don't register and many of those that do register almost never post. If people truley based there view on a game vs how said communities tollerance of trolls is, then well what MMO would we play? How many communities here tollerate trolls to any great extent?
I have been around longer then you think. A community sets itself apart before a game is released already and becomes either stronger after release or falls apart completely (usually hand in hand with failing of the game itself). I have seen this same kind of hefty fanboism vs trolls on other game forums before. Namely Vanguard ones. But the current Darkfall community even exceeds that battle within these forums and others. It's not just here. It's everywhere. And it's going on for a long long time already. And sure not too many players browse and post on forums. But it's an undeniable fact that the forums actually do reflect how the community is within the game itself as well. I have played too many games over the past 15 years to back up these facts. And when I look in how the current Darkfall community is and how it's expresses itself within the forums (again not just these ones), then I have seriously no interest in even trying this game. A game can be just as good. But if the community sucks. Then it will suck ingame as well. Pure and simple! Cheers |
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12/16/08 9:45:54 AM#53
Originally posted by chryses
Nice analysis. |
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12/16/08 10:01:46 AM#54
Originally posted by Guillermo197
The thing is, those touting they won't play will not even if it is a good game, some are just trying to stroke the fire and will be playing regardless of what they say to be honest. The game will be judged on it's merits by those that had any interest in playing, those that lacked that interest will not try it. Us forum Warriors are a minority in the community, anyone that thinks otherwise is pretty new to MMO's lol. This goes for trolls and fans alike, most don't register and many of those that do register almost never post. If people truley based there view on a game vs how said communities tollerance of trolls is, then well what MMO would we play? How many communities here tollerate trolls to any great extent?
I have been around longer then you think. A community sets itself apart before a game is released already and becomes either stronger after release or falls apart completely (usually hand in hand with failing of the game itself). I have seen this same kind of hefty fanboism vs trolls on other game forums before. Namely Vanguard ones. But the current Darkfall community even exceeds that battle within these forums and others. It's not just here. It's everywhere. And it's going on for a long long time already. And sure not too many players browse and post on forums. But it's an undeniable fact that the forums actually do reflect how the community is within the game itself as well. I have played too many games over the past 15 years to back up these facts. And when I look in how the current Darkfall community is and how it's expresses itself within the forums (again not just these ones), then I have seriously no interest in even trying this game. A game can be just as good. But if the community sucks. Then it will suck ingame as well. Pure and simple! Cheers
Well I am sorry that the fans and trolls turned you away from a game you would have played had they not. This is of course what you have implied lol. The fact of the matter still remains though. Those of us that post on forums such as these equate to a grain of sand on a beach. But then again thats only my Meager 11 years MMO experience going on 12. I mean I would imagine people are different when there not under constant attack for liking something others don't think they have a right to like myself. Bu this part of my post is just speculation. |
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Originally posted by chryses
Okay, a couple of things: You have went off the deep end if you believe for one moment you think an office that looks like the one we've seen in the photos is costing them a million dollars per year. To illustrate my point, below is a link to a much nicer looking office in Greece that rents for 4,500 euros per month, which translates to $6,079 per month in US dollars. www.helona.gr/en_view_details.php <-- Typical Rental office in Greece with price per month. $6,079 times twelve months is roughly $50,000 per year. (A far stretch from the "easily a million per year" as you gave to us, rotf Which leads me to my next point.... And this isn't just you... But how come anytime someone tells the truth and says on these forums that Darkfall has been in development for 8 years since 2000 or 2001, IMMEDIATELY they are attacked here by fanbois telling us its only been since 2003, thus only 5 years and anyone mentioning its been in development for 8 years now is called a "troll". --- But when it comes to defending a games production costs as in your example, oh hell yes, it's been in development for eight years now and they had to pay ALL of the staff even back in 2000??? And don't even tell me that Aventurine has some luxurious offices they work out of, because we've all seen the photos. Saying that that office costs them anywhere close to a million a year is insanity. But if you are right, and they spent a million a year on some office to work on this game, then OMG these guys "did' waste that money for sure, didn't they? LOL.
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12/16/08 10:20:18 AM#56
Are you still at this? Seriously, who gives a crap?! All your analysis has nothing to do with the game. Nothing at all. Not a single solitary thing. How they spend their money means nothing, especially when the game hasn't been played yet. I am actually amazed this thread hasn't been locked. Some of the best games in this genre go back to 8 years ago, and they are still better than most of the games we have seen in the last 4 years. How much do you think their budgets were compared to the last string of MMO debacles we have seen since WoW? They only costed a fraction of what these newer messes have costed. The advertising cost analysis is meaningless as well. How much did AoC spend on advertising? "Death never looked so hot!" Are you kidding me?! That is their big marketing plan? Who the hell is going to play a game, and pay to do so just because they saw a banner of a barbarian chick with big boobs? They can spend all the money they want and people are not going to play a game if its a hot steaming pile of crap. Now think of what they could have done with those millions of dollars if they actually spent it on making the game functional instead of putting up banners of boobs on sites like this? Maybe they wouldn't have had to do the massive layoffs they just did. It goes to show you the amount of money spent is meaningless. The product needs to work. If their games, or any other dev's game is good it will sell. Stop the madness, stop the analysis, and wait for them to release the product. Unless you are an investor in Aventurine, it is none of your business where the money has gone, and if you are an investor, the last place you should be looking for answers is a highly biased forum on a video game website. |
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Originally posted by Paragus1
Awww, shucks. Did I hurt your little feelers? You say that none of this matters. ...Really? I think it is quite important actually. Especially if this game doesn't even work 1 percent as well as the AoC and Warhammer games you want to mention. First 27 million is NOT a "small fraction" of 40 million or even 60 million for the costs of much bigger games made by much bigger staffed companies. It will probably be more important to you as well if indeed this game is totally broken at launch and the first thought that enters your head is "OMG, this game just crashed my computer for the 17th time... um where exactly did they put all those years of development time and all that money?" Of course I am not an investor in Aventurine. I am not that damn stupid for one thing. But since you say this is so "not important", do you think Blizzard entertainment would have been able to release such a well polished and smooth working mmo if they had say gave $30 million dollars to a handful of unknown knuckleheads in Greece and told them "Here guys, make World of Warcraft for us, take eight or ten years, we don't care". But I know, I know. Nothing matters except what Tasos says. Not the money and how they use it. Not nobody from a respectable magazine of gaming site getting a chance to play and write about their POS game. Not the fact they wont have thousands of players stress testing their game, and they used "AI" bots to do that. Not the fact that they um, designed their own engine for one of the most feature promised games ever produced. None of that matters. All that matters is their mighty list of promised (and totally ridiculous) features and what Tasos tells you, right?
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Obidom
Hard Core Member
Joined: 8/18/06
Diplomacy - The art of saying ''Nice Doggy'' while you find a big enough stick to hit it |
12/16/08 10:38:31 AM#58
so are you going to be playing Darkfall when it launches then?
Thats all I care about rather than 'ZOMG what did they do with teh money!!'
its not my money I dont care They could have spent 57 million quid on oreos and Kebabs for all I care I pay for the game, I get a free month of play if it sucks then :sad panda: If it trtuly is the game I have been waiting for then :Happy Panda: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png |
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12/16/08 10:54:09 AM#59
Originally posted by radlin
First off, I wasn't referring to the 27 million being a fraction of the 40-60 million. I was referring the the cost to make the games of 6-8 years ago compared with the cost of AoC and Vanguard. I am arguing that the cost to make those games, which are widely viewed to be the best games in the genre even by today's standards, costed far less than the disasters we have seen hit the market recently. So trying to draw a direct correlation between success of a game, and oney spent is a ridiculous and flaed arguement entiurely. As far as Tasos promising "mighty list of promised (and totally ridiculous) features", you do realize that 90% of the features in this game already exist in other MMOs. Ever play Asheron's Call? Maybe you are one of the new-school WoW player hot shots who thinks he has seen it all, but the features he is promising are standard in most sandbox MMO's. Do you think you argument is going to stop anyone from trying this game? You are just the next in a long line of arm-chair forum trolls, who thinks they know more about making a game than the game maker, and know more about how to run their business then they do. Maybe you feel threatened in some way by the fact that this game might actually succeed and threaten your little bubble of what an MMO should be. We get the idea, you don't like the game. That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it completely. It has been noted. Now unless you actually want to talk about the substance of the game, I suggest you move along to another forum or game that you pretend to audit. Or you can wait like the rest of us and see what they present to us on Jan. 22nd. |
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12/16/08 10:55:21 AM#60
To be honest who cares how they have spent the money making the game. Not you or i can tell anyone how to use their money, the investors probally can but not us. |
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