Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Thunderous

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

A lot of the things people state that they miss are still in SWG today, crafting, player cities etc.

Popular systems like the 32 Profession/250 skill point system is gone, in its place is 9 Profession/45 point Expertise and buff stacking to further customise your character.

SWG still provides a sandbox environment for those that don't want the more mainstream route of questing/levelling etc, the storyteller system is also pretty good for allowing players to make their own content.

All that said, if you are still angry at SoE after three years then I doubt there is much that can be done to change that.

 The crafting is 1/10th what it was and is basically a grind

 

have you even tried the game?  crafting hasn't really changed that much ever, few minor tweaks here and there but it's still the same complex system it always was, it's only decay thats been removed and SOME loots better than crafted gear. i myself bought a crafted pistol for my smuggler the other day, 1150 DPS, 36 Acid, can whack out a hell of a lot of damage with that.

 

I get a bit confused when people state that crafting is significantly less enjoyable than it was in Pre-CU, as you say, little changed.  With the NGE, SoE did try to go for loot drop > all so that players didn't have to go in for any of that pesky player interdependancy in a bid to attract more "casual" players, but have since seen the error of their ways.

All high end weapons are now in either schematic or deconstructable form, that you can take to a crafter to be customised into uber pew-pew/stabby-stab.

Weaponsmith recently had a complete overhaul, it now works like armousmith in that you can use any weapon skin and just core it with uber stats.

Yeah I was releaved when I saw that implimentation.   It's what made me love SWG the most over other games was the crafting system.  I'm an adventurer style combatant  pvp if am in the mood or role play allows.  Crafting made me feel a part of things.  System still has a long way to go.  Yes they can come back with schems,  that was prefered method all along (I was thrilled when I got a BH schem in the past  gave me something other then comp to create).  Harvesting (as a combatant) I find a little awkward still. was better with the old setup.   the combining of the crafters to me has been something I don't enjoy.  I've yet to make a weapon ( or Sell for that matter).  The appearance tab (heard about that recently) has me cause to worry.  I'm not one of those money greedy buggers when it comes to selling ether, I always sold at a decent price and will continue to do so (with the exception of rares).

I don't like what they did with officer,  I enjoyed the old system ( and the fact one would get exp buff while in a group with them).  There was an update right before the NGE where the officers got some love, that was short lived due to NGE ( man I had fun with those comands).  pre NGE and post NGE smuggler was not the greatest ( fun to RP, but somewhat buggie), the smuggler revamp and the smuggler quests improved things (quests could be expanded. and the contraband stuff could be used in trader items.  I know there has been some talk of that in the trader forum.

Creature handler was ... not bad idea, I just don't plan on dropping expertise from ether character to have a cute rancor chasing me (if I get a third char slot, I'd do that with a jedi however)

I never did get into BH though I liked the idea of the terms, and the bh vs Jedi should always be kept  up.. as Jedi were to have been hunted. 

just my sane thoughts compared to the sillness of some of the posts I've seen in here.

Before the NGE they were called Squad Leaders.

Wow... 3 years... I could have sworn its been longer.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Antarious

I don't even care what system may have been better.. or even to debate that.  Its just like I say... for profit in general means dicking people over to make MORE money.. not less.

 

When I play on medium/high population servers I see more people playing than I ever did in Pre-CU and CU, SWG is busy and growing.

I'm really not at all surprised that people are still angry at SoE for the NGE, I still bear a grudge against Electronic Arts for what they did with Ultima Online.  MMORPGs are more than just a game, people get really immersed in them and when a company trashes them the wounds go deep and take a long time to heal.

It saddens me when I see SWG players telling vets to "Get over it" etc.  We are all part of the SWG community, even if you haven't played in years.  SWG isn't something you forget lightly.

If there are more people playing this game now than there was during pre_CU then why are there so many people asking for server merges on the OBoard? The game is not growing, it is stagnant.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

 When I play on medium/high population servers I see more people playing than I ever did in Pre-CU and CU, SWG is busy and growing.

Just to clarify are you claiming that there are more people then pre-CU, or just that you see more then you did pre-CU?

Because that claim can be totally misconstrued by some, and be very misleading.

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

 When I play on medium/high population servers I see more people playing than I ever did in Pre-CU and CU, SWG is busy and growing.

 

Just to clarify are you claiming that there are more people then pre-CU, or just that you see more then you did pre-CU?

Because that claim can be totally misconstrued by some, and be very misleading.

It's relative to the server that you played on. Like it or not, there seems to be a new influx of people playing. Not huge numbers, but it seems that there is some growth.

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

 When I play on medium/high population servers I see more people playing than I ever did in Pre-CU and CU, SWG is busy and growing.

 

Just to clarify are you claiming that there are more people then pre-CU, or just that you see more then you did pre-CU?

Because that claim can be totally misconstrued by some, and be very misleading.

either way it is a falacy.  My gawd Badger are you sure you are not related to Obraik or sipping from his drink?

Originally posted by Koolaider

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

 When I play on medium/high population servers I see more people playing than I ever did in Pre-CU and CU, SWG is busy and growing.

 

Just to clarify are you claiming that there are more people then pre-CU, or just that you see more then you did pre-CU?

Because that claim can be totally misconstrued by some, and be very misleading.

 

It's relative to the server that you played on. Like it or not, there seems to be a new influx of people playing. Not huge numbers, but it seems that there is some growth.

There will always be a slight rise and fall to server populations, but overall (from my personal observations) it's been declining quite steadily the last year. I fully expect that trend to continue, but on an ever decreasing slide. However it'll be a little more disguised when the server transfers begin.

yes, galaxies will limp on for a year or two until the new one comes out and then it will die off completely.  Used to be a good game until a few years ago.  Server merges will only allow them to move the old servers to be used by something else.  They won't bother to do much for galaxies because it is a money drain for them now.

Link : http://stargate.mgm.com/specialops/link.php?link=35&id=6769

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

 When I play on medium/high population servers I see more people playing than I ever did in Pre-CU and CU, SWG is busy and growing.

 

Just to clarify are you claiming that there are more people then pre-CU, or just that you see more then you did pre-CU?

Because that claim can be totally misconstrued by some, and be very misleading.

can't say misleading, however there is a good chunk of people out there, least on the server I'm on.  more then After NGE and more then... post NGE upgrade. I wouldn't say my server is where it's at post Cu however.

Best thing about SWG at the moment I would say ( if all you trolls are still having a beef) would be the lack of lame players.   Still same old SWG  style community, all the annouying people went to WoW and other games.   I think that's what I enjoy most is Decent people to run around with.  I've ignored, and reported soo many people in WoW  (trade channel and generial chat was silenced more then once) that to me wow would have been better if it wasn't for the stupid players.  people help each other out in swg, there is rp,  there is player events, guild assitance.  No game is perfect.  

Honestly, that has to be a big reason for me coming back to swg, to get away from all the bird droppings for brains like I've seen.

My only comment, seeing another SOE game that IS well polished, is why did they not take the combat system from that group.. obviously two different development teams, however if I knew one group was having a problem, I shift gears and bring in another.  it's business.  Swg does need a good fix with good developers. They got a good start with fixing the " outter ring of things" to keep it going... now they need to fix inner ring.. like the game core and combat.  credit sinks, decay (and yes decay is needed no matter how much combat people whine).

For the knuckledraggers in these forums that like to think they can read, badger is correct, if you don't like the game, go somewhere else. let people who do enjoy.  and keep in mind as all these MMO states " game play may change"

Badger.. keep the fixes comin to those Devs.. seem they actually awake and doing what they are suppose to do now. keep on them.  I love the fact there is communication now.

and to that one poster, you are correct, it was squadleader, what was once thought of the most broken proff in the game pre- NGE  and pre -cu., Boy did I have fun as a Squadleader/carbineer.  was doing leeroy jenkins tactics before that newb made 10th level (jedi's make great bait).

 ill never buy anything sony for the rest of my life.

Originally posted by Wallid

For the knuckledraggers in these forums that like to think they can read, badger is correct, if you don't like the game, go somewhere else. let people who do enjoy.  and keep in mind as all these MMO states " game play may change"

We have gone somewhere else. Remember that the next time you log on to an empty server.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

And I'm still pissed off about it.

The most frustrating part is not being able to find a game that has anywhere near what SWG used to offer.

I think the fact that it has been so long and so many of us are still mad shows a lot for how special this game was to it's players.

How you guys feeling?

I can't agree with you at all I don't trust SOE due to the debacle and they have certainly made it a harder sell to purchase the other products they deliver but I have been over this nge thing for a very long time. It's like the kid who takes his ball home in the middle of the game it might be wrong but it is there ball after all I have moved on to bigger and better things and am glad for it

Originally posted by pdxgeek

Originally posted by Wallid

For the knuckledraggers in these forums that like to think they can read, badger is correct, if you don't like the game, go somewhere else. let people who do enjoy.  and keep in mind as all these MMO states " game play may change"

We have gone somewhere else. Remember that the next time you log on to an empty server.

QFE

That's why they are abandoning half of them in the next month or so.

So that the other half are less than empty more or less.

Originally posted by FelesLXXXIV

Originally posted by pdxgeek

Originally posted by Wallid

For the knuckledraggers in these forums that like to think they can read, badger is correct, if you don't like the game, go somewhere else. let people who do enjoy.  and keep in mind as all these MMO states " game play may change"

We have gone somewhere else. Remember that the next time you log on to an empty server.

 

QFE

That's why they are abandoning half of them in the next month or so.

So that the other half are less than empty more or less.

 

 

The list of servers they are keeping is still too big. They should have consolidated down to three servers. Maybe then the populations would have resembled the pre-CU game.

Originally posted by jaxsundane

Originally posted by Abrahmm

And I'm still pissed off about it.

The most frustrating part is not being able to find a game that has anywhere near what SWG used to offer.

I think the fact that it has been so long and so many of us are still mad shows a lot for how special this game was to it's players.

How you guys feeling?

 

I can't agree with you at all I don't trust SOE due to the debacle and they have certainly made it a harder sell to purchase the other products they deliver but I have been over this nge thing for a very long time. It's like the kid who takes his ball home in the middle of the game it might be wrong but it is there ball after all I have moved on to bigger and better things and am glad for it

Here lies the problem for me, I can't find anything bigger or better than what SWG once was for me, and thus the reason why I haven't gotten over it.

Originally posted by pdxgeek

Originally posted by FelesLXXXIV

Originally posted by pdxgeek

Originally posted by Wallid

For the knuckledraggers in these forums that like to think they can read, badger is correct, if you don't like the game, go somewhere else. let people who do enjoy.  and keep in mind as all these MMO states " game play may change"

We have gone somewhere else. Remember that the next time you log on to an empty server.

 

QFE

That's why they are abandoning half of them in the next month or so.

So that the other half are less than empty more or less.

 

 

The list of servers they are keeping is still too big. They should have consolidated down to three servers. Maybe then the populations would have resembled the pre-CU game.

If they wanted high density servers given the current number of active players they should consolidate to 5 or less servers.

i am still mad with SOE, though i gave them a chance and went to their game that had the best reputation EQ2... look how that turned out.

after i left the SWG (the day NGE hit live) ive been MMO hopping, i tried WoW (lasted the free month + 15 days)

participated in GW beta 1 and stayed with it for the longest time i can remember. but only because i have like 6 RL friends of mine who where playing it too... so it was fun in that way, but it didnt give me the openness feel to it.

went to EQ2... then sony cash shop.... (and due to other scams and pure bad business while purchasing a sony product for my dad for xmas) i will say that i will no longer buy any sony products (yes that includes the PS3)

now i have found the game that gives me about 3/4 of the pre-cu SWG feel (EvE online) and i think ill stick with it for a long time. i have made that my new home. even when darkfall or mortal hit live ill stay in eve. its time for me to settle down and stick with something.

SWG is long gone for me but i still like to keep up with its features and see whats new. i go in trials. but i have a set of rules that i follow,

1. i quit the first rubber band that lasts longer than 1 minute

2.i quit if i spend 10 minutes without finding anyone (regardless of where and when)

3. i quit if i anyone or anything shoots me through a wall

4. i quit if its to easy and tedious

5. i quit i have the urge to say "WTF is this!?!" or "Is this it?"

(so far i have not made it past 3 days)

and even in the "OTHER" SWG im considering it hard depending on many factors.

Originally posted by kefkah

Kinda over it myself. Sure, I mean, I help with two sites whose members commonly bash SOE (you think wildcat's harsh - you should trying hanging out with a bunch of ex rangers sometime), archive PreCU data, keep up to the minute updates on the various emus and haunt this board but other than that I have moved on.

Hehe, funny story though. I was up north about 2 months ago and visiting a friend at his apartment complex. We were standing out in the hallway and  I made a comment about my friend who was standing there looking stupid and called him a Smed. So two doors down, this guy was leaving his apartment and locking his door...he looks up and starts going off about the NGE. Comes over and covers his whole story of how his profession was wiped out and how much he hated the game now.

Bonding moment. Kinda like that Hardies commercial with the sandwiches.

Lol I teach at a college and mentioned that I play MMO's.  A group of students came up to me after class to warn me about SOE lmao.  They went through the whole story about the lies, broken promises, deletions of everything in SWG.  They didn't want me to get my feelings hurt, sweet kids :).