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I think 3 way RvR means population imbalances have a smaller effect on gameplay. In 2 way if team A is biggest they will dominate team B. In 3 way if team A is biggest it doesn't buy them so much advantage because team B plus team C will outnumber them. Temporary alliegances can be set up. I think WAR could have been alot better. In truth I think they dropped DAoC 3 way RvR to make the system simpler and more like WoW. They have said they wanted to make WAR easy for WoW players to pick up. Maybe the gamesworkshop loremongers wouldn't let them, I'm don't know enough about warhammer. But I'm pretty sure warhammer is not so clean cut good teams vs evil teams, dwarves will fight humans etc. And even so gameplay before lore.
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12/14/08 4:42:04 PM#2
Mainly i think the game would have done better with a little less PVP but other then that... 3 way could of been fun.... |
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12/14/08 4:45:48 PM#3
Would have loved another 3 faction game. But WAR has population issues already - splitting it up even more would be tough on this game. DAoC did great in its prime with 3 though. Still think WAR needs even fewer servers. |
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pamkhat
 Lord of the Rings Online Correspondent
Joined: 12/10/08
me fail english? thats unpossible. |
12/15/08 12:54:28 AM#4
Three would have been better, but IDK if it would save the game. Those vampire people would be neat, they had undead right, that would be neat. My name is Pam and I have a fishing problem. I write things for the Examiner at Oklahoma City MMORPG Examiner and Oklahoma City PC Examiner. |
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12/15/08 1:50:51 AM#5
I think WAR would definitely have been better with three factions, due to the balance reasons you mentioned. The Empire: Human, Elf, Dwarf Greenskins: Orc, Goblin Chaos: Dark Elf, "corrupted" (choice at char creation) of any other playable race |
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12/15/08 2:56:42 AM#6
No one has said there WON'T be a 3rd faction at some point. Speculation is fun.....what if? what if there had been a third? what if there is one coming? .....some say the third might be Lizardmen, Skaven, and Vamps (or Ogres)....so who is to say? I think right now , the right focus....and the one going on....is to work with what is in the game now and balance correctly as well as work out technical issues. What's coming next? Who's to say.....but feel free to fill forums with useless specualation. |
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would't the third need to be an allaince of 3 races/teams? not sure that is very feasible with whats left of the lore. they will probably just add say woodelves to order etc. in expansions. 3 factions would mean redesigning the game I would imagine, its too late. I just feel like 2 factions lead to most of war's shortcomings, basically just the whole catering for wow players in general. |
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Bigdavo
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Joined: 1/21/06
''Life is what you make of it, not what others make of yours.'' |
12/15/08 4:53:58 AM#8
Kinda hard without totally fucking the lore. O_o o_O |
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12/15/08 5:03:08 AM#9
Originally posted by Consensus
Like the OP said, I can't see a way for them to add a third faction in the future without having a huge population imbalance as a result (i.e. most players would flock to the new faction to try out the new content, or alternatively nobody would play the new faction as they wouldn't want to leave their existing high level toons). They would also have to do some major redesign to cater for a third factions starting zones, quests, Keeps and city. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it would seem infeasible.
Three factions would, imo definitely have benefited WAR, like someone has already mentioned it would have lessened the effect of the current population imbalance. and made the RvR much more varied and exciting. Playing: Nothing |
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12/15/08 5:53:08 AM#10
sorry, wrong forum....
/hide in shame......
RIP Orc Choppa |
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12/15/08 8:01:08 AM#11
Maybe a bit better. For me though, I would not have minded the 2-faction thing had they made an attempt to make them non-mirrors of each other. A third faction that just mirrors the others wouldn't matter much tbh. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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12/15/08 8:03:08 AM#12
I would have prefered factions based on race. With the option of certain races being able to group together to complete PvP goals, quests and instances. This would bring much more depth to the game IMO. --------------------------------------- |
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12/15/08 8:23:34 AM#13
It's too late to change now but yes imo, 3+
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12/15/08 8:25:41 AM#14
Originally posted by Bigdavo If you are refering to 3 factions not fitting to the lore, then you sir are clueless. This game could have 5+ factions and still fit the lore.
But yes, a 3 faction system would help solve underpopulation sides as 2 could band together to help eachother out as it happened in DAOC. It would really help WAR as population inbalances are one of the major problems. |
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12/15/08 8:35:37 AM#15
Originally posted by Dreamagram
Nonono, it should be like this: Order: Human, Elfs, Dwarfs, Halflings Chaos: Dark elfs, Skavens, Beastman, Chaos warriors Greenskins: Orcs, Gobbos, Trolls, Hobgoblins
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
12/15/08 8:38:54 AM#16
Under the right circumstances, I always vote for a three way. "Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean it's not PTW." - Amaranthar |
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12/15/08 8:39:05 AM#17
Originally posted by Bigdavo
What? 2 Factions are fucking with the lore, Greenskins rarely works together with Chaos more than temporary and there is usually a lot of backstabbing if they do. I have been plang the RPG for about 20 years so I know the lore. |
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12/15/08 8:40:22 AM#18
Originally posted by Bigdavo
Plenty of scope. They haven't even touched Lustria. |
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12/15/08 8:41:11 AM#19
Originally posted by Dreamagram
Reminds me of another game coming out soon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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12/15/08 8:53:23 AM#20
Originally posted by Raztor If you are refering to 3 factions not fitting to the lore, then you sir are clueless. This game could have 5+ factions and still fit the lore.
But yes, a 3 faction system would help solve underpopulation sides as 2 could band together to help eachother out as it happened in DAOC. It would really help WAR as population inbalances are one of the major problems. I'm going to go on a limb here and say you too barely know the lore. Or at least you barely know how Games Workshop works. I am a veteran of countless campaigns, and in the big campaigns (Say the few where Chaos has invaded the Empire.) The races have always been pitted against each other in two sides.Order and Destruction....Oh wait.....that sounds like WAR! Oh riiiight. So Games Workshop just stuck to what they've always done. This isn't just to make it like WoW like one individual said. I contemplated myself them making a third neutral side, but why would the Neutral side be fighting? Races like Bretonnia, Ogres, and Lizardmen have no motives. They don't really want to expand. They have no reason to be in a huge war. Whereas Dark Elves constantly want to invade Ulthuan (Like they are), Chaos is always fighting Empire (Like they're doing) and Dwarves have always been fighting Greenskins and Skaven. It's a classic lineup. Maybe in this case there's no reason for the Destro races to have teamed up in such an organised way. Or maybe there is considering the reasons the Orcs in this game are fighting is because the Dark Elves manipulated them. Also Dwarves, Elves and Humans are famously known to team up on many occasions, despite the animosity between Dwarf and Elf. Just another thing. Skaven are chaos. So to the individual who said they'd team up with Lizardmen, you're wrong. Lizardmen are created by the Old Ones. Enemies of Chaos. No-one talk about the lore unless you spent years of your life in the shops.
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