Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

These is what Tasos said here to MMORPG.com

"What would a traditional marketing campaign achieve? To help sell some more game boxes? This is not a single player game. When you sell an MMO you're in it for the long-haul. The best marketing for an MMO is having a great game that retains your players."

 

IMO it covers pre-orders and all the short-sighted attempts to grab money..

I wonder how you "critics" will now turn this words to the opposite of whats there to read ..

 

Couldn't resist this one, sorry. XD

 

A traditional marketing campaign would -ALERT- more people to the presence of Darkfall. As it is, there are gazillions (obviously an exaggeration) of players/gamers who have not even heard of this game due to its "superior marketing strategy".

Will get addressed after launch.  

Yes, word-of-mouth helps a little, but you will never reach nearly as many people, potential customers that way. And it still doesn't make any sense why they would pass up free advertising/coverage that could expose MORE people to this game.

 In case you don't know Aventurine hasn't listed any employee as "marketing" employee ..those will get a chance to get employed after a hopefully successfully launch.

I have quite a lot of friends who like MMO's. A good many of them are very much into PvP. One of my friends is a long-term, "hardcore" PvPer, who of course knows others like him. None of them...and I repeat, NONE of them have even -HEARD- about Darkfall. How is -THAT- good for the game?

For that to know you have asked them. So they  know now.

 

And if you even consider throwing some elitist BS out there like "well if they don't know it they don't deserve to play it" or "better to have fewer people anyway, makes for better community", please refrain from that. Regardless of what Tasos might tell you, they are still a business and they still want to get -more- subscribers, not -less-, if only to pay for the bills to keep the game running.

 Yes i would prefer at launch to have a dedicated and DF worthy playerbase. The gank material can join later.

We'll see how great this marketing strategy works. I'm not saying it won't work, but you must be blind not to see the obvious flaws in Tasos argumentation. A marketing campaign is not used purely to generate box sales. It's there to put the game out in the public and let more people be aware of it in the first place. After all, if no one knows about your game, it could be the second coming and it would still fail horribly.

 

Like i mentioned no one is employed for marketing at Aventurine.

I was just questioning the logic of not doing pre-orders from the standpoint of missing out on that initial capital that might be needed up front to better support the game after it goes live.

Dismissing traditional marketing methods off-handedly by stating you're in it for the "long-haul" and our game will thrive based on "word-of-mouth" seems a bit naive and arrogant given the lack of information Averntine is sharing about their game. It is a concern that they might be over-estimating things, but again, if it works then we will all be calling them genuises later.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Didn't took long LOL

So according to the "critics"

taking pre-orders = scam

no pre-orders = scam

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pre orders =  no pre orders

 

Err....what?

 

You really confuse me sometimes. I commented on Aventurine's marketing strategy. Nowhere did I use the word "scam" in my entire post.

 

But whatever. I'm back out of these silly discussions.

Was just thinking i general directions not particulary as reply to your post...

You just stated DF Marketing is "lacking"  or   "inferior"  and has given examples to why..you didn't took the next step and expressed Aventurine's motivation for these (namely  scam).

Others are more clear in this thread but i bet these are you thoughts about too.

Originally posted by Flarinstar

There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers. 

If there is NO Open Beta for Darkfall, then that would obviously mean there's many aspects of the game that are NOT FINISHED!!!

I understand what the devs are trying to pull. The game probably still needs a ton of work and is probably in the same boat Dark and Light was in when that crappola game was released! Choosing not to have an open beta means the creators want as many anxious people as possible to purchase the game to make as much profit as possible.. Then these same people will see how broken and incomplete the game really is.

I predict Darkfall will be just as bad as Dark and Light. Now, if by some miracle I'm wrong and DF is actually a huge success, then and only then will I check it out.

Here's some advice. Those of you who cant wait to play the game, do your best to wait at least another week or two after the game is released before purchasing it. If the reviews and word of mouth is mostly positive, then go ahead and check it out.

Originally posted by valpohawk93

I was just questioning the logic of not doing pre-orders from the standpoint of missing out on that initial capital that might be needed up front to better support the game after it goes live.

Dismissing traditional marketing methods off-handedly by stating you're in it for the "long-haul" and our game will thrive based on "word-of-mouth" seems a bit naive and arrogant given the lack of information Averntine is sharing about their game. It is a concern that they might be over-estimating things, but again, if it works then we will all be calling them genuises later.

 

You maybe missed the amount of  DnL and Mourning  screamers  on these board .

The acceptance of  pre-orders within the community is very low ..

Same people who cry now "oh no pre order"  will cry "what a scam !"  in case pre orders get announced.

I was looking around for more info and saw a wiki page on Aventurine SA saying they had 21 employees... Is that accurate?  For a game of this scope you would expect a lot more...  I mean most people say vanguard is dead and hasn't got enough devs to develop any content and they have around12-15 known devs from the forums and an unknown number of other people, ie artists, directors,etc so i'd guess that even vanguard has more people behind it then 21.  If this is true how is Aventurine gonna pull off a game of this magnitude??!  Did they use another engine or something??  I read elsewhere that the game is based on a quake engine and uses some other things from quake like mob AI and stuff.  Any truth to any of that or does anyone actually know?

Nobody knows anything about the NDA for the same reason nobody knows anything for sure about this supposed game.

Aventurine is shady at best, and masters of double-talk, empty implications, and excuses. From what I can see over time, Tasos' actual career consists of pointing out that he didn't actually promise something that he either promised or implied strongly.

It's clear from the state of these forums that Aventurine's supporters have dwindled to a few rather  - let's be frank here - intellectually uninspiring individuals. They engage in magical, thoroughly uncritical thinking and argue with the reckless fallacy-flinging of your average eleven year old. They've developed an adolescent loyalty to the concept of Darkfall, have found a "team," and fly into hysterics at those who point out the myriad problems with Aventurine/DF.

This game is supposed to launch in 40 days and it's still in Friends and Family Alpha. The idiot blind faithful will tell you it's actually beta, and they have "professional testers" and a lot of other garbage that doesn't pass the laugh test of the average MMO player over the age of (again) about eleven years old.

If this game is released in January it will be a complete and utter disaster. You cannot test an MMO without thousands of players, and only the select few geniuses you see defending DF here think otherwise.

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Nobody knows anything about the NDA for the same reason nobody knows anything for sure about this supposed game.

 

Aventurine is shady at best, and masters of double-talk, empty implications, and excuses. From what I can see over time, Tasos' actual career consists of pointing out that he didn't actually promise something that he either promised or implied strongly.

 

It's clear from the state of these forums that Aventurine's supporters have dwindled to a few rather  - let's be frank here - intellectually uninspiring individuals. They engage in magical, thoroughly uncritical thinking and argue with the reckless fallacy-flinging of your average eleven year old. They've developed an adolescent loyalty to the concept of Darkfall, have found a "team," and fly into hysterics at those who point out the myriad problems with Aventurine/DF.

 

This game is supposed to launch in 40 days and it's still in Friends and Family Alpha. The idiot blind faithful will tell you it's actually beta, and they have "professional testers" and a lot of other garbage that doesn't pass the laugh test of the average MMO player over the age of (again) about eleven years old.

 

If this game is released in January it will be a complete and utter disaster. You cannot test an MMO without thousands of players, and only the select few geniuses you see defending DF here think otherwise.

 

you are, NOT

Originally posted by oakthornn

If there is NO Open Beta for Darkfall, then that would obviously mean there's many aspects of the game that are NOT FINISHED!!!

I understand what the devs are trying to pull. The game probably still needs a ton of work and is probably in the same boat Dark and Light was in when that crappola game was released! Choosing not to have an open beta means the creators want as many anxious people as possible to purchase the game to make as much profit as possible.. Then these same people will see how broken and incomplete the game really is.

 

I predict Darkfall will be just as bad as Dark and Light. Now, if by some miracle I'm wrong and DF is actually a huge success, then and only then will I check it out.

 

Here's some advice. Those of you who cant wait to play the game, do your best to wait at least another week or two after the game is released before purchasing it. If the reviews and word of mouth is mostly positive, then go ahead and check it out.

A sound advice for any MMORPG these days. It has become a norm for most MMORPGs to release unfinished, bugged games and then finance the final stages of the game with paying "beta testers". This is most likely that Adventurine will do as well. That is why they are so strict about previews, because they dont want to let it be generally known what state the game is in.

This game has DnL written all over it... it even has the same type of rabid fans blindly defending it based on what the devs tell them. Hey newsflash for you guys, just because the devs tell it doesnt make it so. They have an invested interest in this game so naturally what they saw will be biased and skewed, what we need is an independent source giving this game a fair (p)review and before that is done then everyone should be skeptical about this game, well any MMORPG, but this one in particular because if the history of the development and peculiarities that are going on.

For example I have both been in closed betas and knew people who have been in closed betas and this is the first time I heard that you are even forbidden to say that you are in closed beta. Hey, ofcourse you cant say anything about closed beta, but not to even be able to admit that you are in it? And this 1 month before a supposed release? Come on...

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Flarinstar

There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers. 

 

So confident in fact that theyve utilized AI to test along side actual people.

 

Fixed it for ya, I know you like to be accurate with your posts lol.

 

let me further fix it for you.

So confident in fact that theyve utilized Ai alongside a small group of family and friends, even though they couldnt properly stress test the game doing it that way.

There you go hoss. fixed.

Ill do the final fix.

They have utlized AI alongside a small group of friends and family and a number of outside testers... there

Originally posted by Silkskin

they are going to let you do a trial before you buy the game. so trolls, calm the fuck out on the responses.

 

there's no profit in lying about a game, then letting someone have a trial run before purchasing it.

This is unconfirmed btw

Originally posted by berniebear

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Flarinstar

There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers. 

 

So confident in fact that theyve utilized AI to test along side actual people.

 

Fixed it for ya, I know you like to be accurate with your posts lol.

 

let me further fix it for you.

So confident in fact that theyve utilized Ai alongside a small group of family and friends as well as Prof. Tester and  hundreds of beta testers, even though they couldnt properly stress test the game doing it that way. Until Open beta which is where most  MMO's do there stress test.

There you go hoss. fixed.

 

Ill do the final fix.

They have utlized AI alongside a small group of friends and family and a number of outside testers... there

Might as well finish off the accuracy lol

The developers seem to have all of the confidence in the world, yet are stingy with any sort of details. After being hosed twice by two developers who were more open than this; why should the public be so trusting to this company nobody has ever even heard of? Because they said so? Because they're really really confident? 

Mark Jacobs and his friendly chaps were all really confident too, and look how GOOD the WAGGHHH is.

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

The developers seem to have all of the confidence in the world, yet are stingy with any sort of details. After being hosed twice by two developers who were more open than this; why should the public be so trusting to this company nobody has ever even heard of? Because they said so? Because they're really really confident? 

Mark Jacobs and his friendly chaps were all really confident too, and look how GOOD the WAGGHHH is.

 

 

Your concerns definetely have merit. I have faith but I was there for the DnL mess and many other mmo's too so I know to be very skepitical at the same time

yes they utilized AI for testing but yall conveniently forget they've been using PAYED TESTERS for over a year. They don't really plan to find any game breaking bugs during the betas. The closed beta is for hardware config check and the open beta will be for stress tests.

Originally posted by rageagainst

yes they utilized AI for testing but yall conveniently forget they've been using PAYED TESTERS for over a year. They don't really plan to find any game breaking bugs during the betas. The closed beta is for hardware config check and the open beta will be for stress tests.

yea and minor other bugs : )

Originally posted by Flarinstar

There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers. 

So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.

Originally posted by Flarinstar

There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers. 

This statement is so wrong its funny. If they go by this then you are going to see a cluster FU when a few thousand people logging on. Unnecessary my azzzz.

Confidence is a open and straight forward with the gamers with no NDA.

You made it so let it speak for its self to an open public, hiding it will not make it any better or worse.

Originally posted by Mahlo

Originally posted by Flarinstar

There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers. 

 

So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.

wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Mahlo

Originally posted by Flarinstar

There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers. 

 

So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.

 

wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in

Oh really? Who are they?