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12/16/08 4:31:31 PM#61
Originally posted by miagisan right now, just decorative/fluff stuff. If they go with more essential items, i'll get pissed then
Why wait for it to happen. Station cash opens the door for exactly what you describe and the Senior Producer has admitted they are discussing selling bigger better stuff like armor and weapons.
You chastise people as being haters as they are upset about this, but right here you are saying that if the items were just a little different you would be lining up right behind them. Is the difference really so drastic that you can't see how close you are to being one of "them"?
This is exactly what I have been talking about with the subscribers indifference. Watching so many people think it will never happen to them is perplexing to say the least. I don't know what could be a bigger red flag than how SOE snuck this in after saying they would never allow this sort of thing in the everquest series.
Before you criticize someone for getting upset and leaving, consider this. SOE factored them in as acceptable losses when they launched this. They knew, just like they did with the NGE, this would cause people to leave. Is it so hard to believe that if they are not challenged on this they won't do it again and you might be one of the acceptable losses next time? Food for thought.
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12/16/08 4:32:44 PM#62
why wait? umm because maybe i am really enjoying EQ2 atm? i know crazy...someone can actually enjoy a mmorpg!
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12/16/08 4:35:16 PM#63
Originally posted by miagisan You can enjoy a game and protest the direction it is heading at the same time... Crazy huh?
or you can watch it head in a direction that you state would make you angry and complain about those who do take a stance. |
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12/16/08 4:38:04 PM#64
you asked why am i playing it now? Because, right now it is fluff items being sold. If it remains like this i have no problem playing and not buying a thing. IF it gets worse, then i will quit and not whine like a 4 year old about it. You guys are currently making a huge issue out of the fluff items, and i dont agree with that, but WILL agree if they start seliing items which are gamebreaking.
Follow? It's not that hard. RIGHT NOW, it has no effect on my gameplay or fun.
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Dracus
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Joined: 7/14/04
"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." |
12/16/08 5:50:22 PM#65
Originally posted by marzguitarz That is the odd thing about MMO's. When the number of subscribers goes down, the pricing does not go down (the subscription rate), but rather upward. In some case, the price change is radical, going to a Free-To-Play method. Yet, reducing the subscription rates seems to be an unthinkable business idea... As for we all blasting one another. I believe that is due to our inherent nature of being gamers. We are a competitive lot. And that is why... Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness. |
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Dracus
Novice Member
Joined: 7/14/04
"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." |
12/16/08 5:55:53 PM#66
Originally posted by Cynthe I had to quote this as this does directly impact one of the four groups of MMO players, the Socializers. This does make complete sense to me and I find the quote by Cynthe to be justified. And that is why... Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness. |
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12/16/08 6:08:47 PM#67
Originally posted by miagisan
I didn't ask why you were playing now, I asked why don't you make a statement instead of argue with those who disagree with the direction this is going. You are very close to being in the same sitaution as those you are complaining about, yet you do nothing.
Thats fine I suppose and I am very certain we will never hear you complain about anything SOE releated here. Of that I am sure. |
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12/16/08 6:09:17 PM#68
Originally posted by Dracus I had to quote this as this does directly impact one of the four groups of MMO players, the Socializers. This does make complete sense to me and I find the quote by Cynthe to be justified. Yes oddly.. I played UO for a long time. You had people that cried about the PvP and left.. you had people who PvP'd and cried about the murder system and/or stat loss and later Trammel.. and left. I stuck around through it all. I spent hours in the game trading rares... In fact I'd say one of the biggest aspects of the game was these things people like to call "fluff". Heck I used to do property speculation in UO... see someone selling a house cheaply.. buy it. Decorate it some and sell it for a profit. I suppose that's an odd concept to some people here. Many things in UO weren't even intended or actual game systems. Yet it lead to things like "better homes and castles" I think was the name of it. Having events for the best looking house.. people who were paid in game money to decorate peoples houses. Much of this showed up later in SWG. I don't think EQ1 had much of this but EQ2 did. People would decorate their house instance or hire someone to do it. So some of these fluff items yes.. tread on those people. Just as much as items that should have been schematics being added to SWG in the TCG. etc etc No it doesn't affect "game play". It can affect how some people play.. and I think to attack people who have had their type of play affected.. just goes to show how much most people seem to only think of .. how they play and that everyone else should play that way.. and feel the way they do. Which imho is pretty much how we got to the current crapfest we call MMO's. |
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Dracus
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Joined: 7/14/04
"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." |
12/16/08 6:42:40 PM#69
I have to agree. Or going about getting the "look" I wanted with clothes. Clothes... clothes are fluff, they offer no armor protection and are pretty much useless in combat; but yet have a place in a game, perhaps just like dressing up an action figure or doll, or getting into character. Oh well... Are you one of those characters who wears clothes and not always suited in armor? Are you searching for a new cool look? No problem, just pony up some bills. And that is why... Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness. |
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12/16/08 11:10:52 PM#70
Does SOE's move actually surprise you people who are upset by this? SOE has a long track record of being complete douche bags. If they commit some more douche baggery, is it surprising? Instead of complaining, just quit their games. Don't pay them one cent!
SOE free for 13 months and loving it.
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12/17/08 10:36:10 AM#71
heh, I was going to come back to EQ2 after 2 years gone. Then found this, so not coming back, easy as that. |
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12/17/08 11:42:40 AM#72
Originally posted by miagisan
Read the new Eula changes and attempt to say it is not a huge issue. According to Sony they can distribution your personal information to anyone they please. Attempting to defend these douche bags is a true exercise in futility, just makes you look entirely foolish. |
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12/17/08 11:45:41 AM#73
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Read the new Eula changes and attempt to say it is not a huge issue. According to Sony they can distribution your personal information to anyone they please. Attempting to defend these douche bags is a true exercise in futility, just makes you look entirely foolish.
Read Blizzard and CCP, as well as Turbines EULA....they do the exact same thing. Who looks foolish now?
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12/17/08 12:50:15 PM#74
Originally posted by miagisan
Read Blizzard and CCP, as well as Turbines EULA....they do the exact same thing. Who looks foolish now? CCP might, but Blizzard and Turbine don't. |
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12/17/08 12:51:59 PM#75
wrong blizzard in their eula, claim they do scan your RAM and hardware to look for programs which might affect gameplay. They gather the information from your ram and retrieve it. So yes, information is getting uploaded about which programs you are running
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12/17/08 1:30:04 PM#76
Originally posted by miagisan
No personally identifiable information is being collected. Blizzard is scanning for programs that interact with the memory space of Warcraft to stop hacking, cheating, botting, etc. The scan as I understand it happens on your system and not transmitted to the servers. Show me where the Blizzard EULA says they get your consent to disclose your personal information to whomever they chose. SOE is saying they have the right to do whatever they chose with your personal information by any means they can get their hands on it. They are flat out saying they will not keep your information private and will do with it as they please. You fail to see the difference for whatever reasons you are chosing, but there is a mountain of difference between the two. |
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12/17/08 4:19:34 PM#77
Originally posted by miagisan
Read Blizzard and CCP, as well as Turbines EULA....they do the exact same thing. Who looks foolish now? SOE's EULA actually violates consumer protection laws, neither Blizzard or Turbines comes even close. Next time, it would help if you read the Eula changes instead of writing an inane comment. |
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12/17/08 5:07:12 PM#78
people really will complain about anything and everything, until you have proof that theres items available that will actually upset the game, STFU about stuff you know nothing about.
and for the people complaining about teh exchange servers or whatever, why not? its going to happen no matter what, 100% guaranteed, so why not have a safer way to do it for the people that want it? dont like it? stay off those servers. Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" |
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12/18/08 1:30:56 AM#79
Originally posted by streea
QFT It was supposed to be on only a specific server. That way those that had money to blow could buy up all the best gear, while those that didn't have money to waste could earn it the right way on a normal server. I knew SOE was greedy but this is just low even for them. Pretty much just guaranteed I'll never play EQ 1 or 2 ever again. |
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12/18/08 9:11:24 PM#80
Originally posted by DrowNoble
QFT It was supposed to be on only a specific server. That way those that had money to blow could buy up all the best gear, while those that didn't have money to waste could earn it the right way on a normal server. I knew SOE was greedy but this is just low even for them. Pretty much just guaranteed I'll never play EQ 1 or 2 ever again.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" |
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