Now lets look at the facts:

WoW - Huge fan base - Expansion (not release, just an EXPANSION) sold more than all three competitors combined, 20+ new NA servers opened to cater to the added load (more new servers than some of the competition have in total world wide).

WAR - Piss poor game - Forced server merges - Maybe xfire should record how much time WAR fans spend on WoW forums talking shit, probably double the time they spend on their WAR servers playing that shit.

AoC - Worse than WAR, all round bad game, hard to pick out one redeeming feature from this mother of all turds.

Lotro - Of the three I think Lotro is the most successful and most interesting, however they lost me after the beta, the Moria expansion does look tempting however and I may jump in again at some point. However, still not a competitor to WoW in raw number of players.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by ScamMan

Yeahyeah and yeah so WotLK is the biggest kid on the block, strong and mean and all that... But it also looks a bit like this kid is getting a bit obese. lol

WoW LK has consistently lost gaming time in Xfire since launch, less than a month back. It's not something just related to the season as both LotRo and AoC seem to have gained some gaming time. Even WAR looks almost like stabilized. Could it really be that people finally are getting fed up by the Fat and Ugly Punk in MMO world? Comments

/www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/

 

In fact: Wow grew 20% with the expansion on Xfire: look at the beginning line, which is no longer viewable before the patch.

War has now 22.5 times less players than Wow, while two months ago the average was 7.5.

That means War has now about 225K subscriptions. If you count the 5.000.000 western based subs for Wow. LOTRO is now at about 150K subs and AOC has certainly less than an equivalent of 50 K subs.

You have to look at the players for these relations, not the minutes played btw.

3 months ago the XFire lines for Wow were between 300K in the week and 400K in the weekends.

That amount is now 20% more. Settling at about 400K week and 500K weekends.

Crushing the other MMO's like they never did before and having a healthy 60+% of the complete market.

In the summer it was 55%.

The complete market: meaning FREE MMO's included.

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

Have fun on the empty servers of those other games

 

i cant help but laugh at this post. claiming yourself how everyone bashes WoW while at the same time u try to degrade every other big mmo with some stats of one site. GG.
 

Originally posted by 3on1

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by ScamMan

Yeahyeah and yeah so WotLK is the biggest kid on the block, strong and mean and all that... But it also looks a bit like this kid is getting a bit obese. lol

WoW LK has consistently lost gaming time in Xfire since launch, less than a month back. It's not something just related to the season as both LotRo and AoC seem to have gained some gaming time. Even WAR looks almost like stabilized. Could it really be that people finally are getting fed up by the Fat and Ugly Punk in MMO world? Comments

/www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/

 

In fact: Wow grew 20% with the expansion on Xfire: look at the beginning line, which is no longer viewable before the patch.

War has now 22.5 times less players than Wow, while two months ago the average was 7.5.

That means War has now about 225K subscriptions. If you count the 5.000.000 western based subs for Wow. LOTRO is now at about 150K subs and AOC has certainly less than an equivalent of 50 K subs.

You have to look at the players for these relations, not the minutes played btw.

3 months ago the XFire lines for Wow were between 300K in the week and 400K in the weekends.

That amount is now 20% more. Settling at about 400K week and 500K weekends.

Crushing the other MMO's like they never did before and having a healthy 60+% of the complete market.

In the summer it was 55%.

The complete market: meaning FREE MMO's included.

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

Have fun on the empty servers of those other games

 

i cant help but laugh at this post. claiming yourself how everyone bashes WoW while at the same time u try to degrade every other big mmo with some stats of one site. GG.
 

Are you sure you quoted the right post?

I don't see him claiming anything about someone bashing WoW.

And both posts you quoted seem to be getting there information from the same source, xfire. So why should he not respond with the stats from the same site?

Originally posted by 3on1 

i cant help but laugh at this post. claiming yourself how everyone bashes WoW while at the same time u try to degrade every other big mmo with some stats of one site. GG.
 

Wow, you must have missed the OP, because the OP used that exact site for numbers.  So using the OP's numbers to show how the games are failing shows either the OP was wrong about those games coming back, or the OP was wrong to use those numbers now, doesn't it?

Follow the thread sometimes.

Originally posted by Trianon

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

WoW - Huge fan base - Expansion (not release, just an EXPANSION) sold more than all three competitors combined, 20+ new NA servers opened to cater to the added load (more new servers than some of the competition have in total world wide).

WAR - Piss poor game - Forced server merges - Maybe xfire should record how much time WAR fans spend on WoW forums talking shit, probably double the time they spend on their WAR servers playing that shit.

AoC - Worse than WAR, all round bad game, hard to pick out one redeeming feature from this mother of all turds.

Lotro - Of the three I think Lotro is the most successful and most interesting, however they lost me after the beta, the Moria expansion does look tempting however and I may jump in again at some point. However, still not a competitor to WoW in raw number of players.

 

The only (almost) fact listed is that WoW sold more than the other games.  None of the the rest is fact, and is pure opinion.

Silly thread. WoW had a big spike for WotLK, and now it's dropped a bit. Very predictable, it no longer has that New Game Smell. Still the #1 MMO played by a long shot. WAR had a big drop due to not meeting the hype and server population problems, but is stablizing on fewer servers and they seem to be fixing the game, it will be fine and probably grow a bit next year. Lotro also had a big spike for MoM, and although it will die down a bit too, everyone who's actually playing the game can tell you that it definitely had a population boost - it's also doing fine. Haven't played AOC, but they also seem to be fixing the game, and it's probably stabilizing its population, and hopefully can do OK as well. Good times for all, and pie for everyone!

And LOL at all those who use xfire to determine *absolute* game numbers. It is definitely a good indicator of population *trends*, but because of differing game demographics you can not use it for any reliable indication of absolute numbers at all. There's just no way to know what percentage of Lotro users, for example, use xfire as compared to WoW players. L2statistic!

Well the population drop was definetly expectable to everyone. Many people came back to play WotLK and many left. I garuntee though that some of them stayed and therfore the population grew a little more. Warhammer was a good game but after a while it just got boring.  LotRO is probably the best PvE game out there. And AoC is just AoC.

Originally posted by Cibaj

Originally posted by Trianon

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

WoW - Huge fan base - Expansion (not release, just an EXPANSION) sold more than all three competitors combined, 20+ new NA servers opened to cater to the added load (more new servers than some of the competition have in total world wide).

WAR - Piss poor game - Forced server merges - Maybe xfire should record how much time WAR fans spend on WoW forums talking shit, probably double the time they spend on their WAR servers playing that shit.

AoC - Worse than WAR, all round bad game, hard to pick out one redeeming feature from this mother of all turds.

Lotro - Of the three I think Lotro is the most successful and most interesting, however they lost me after the beta, the Moria expansion does look tempting however and I may jump in again at some point. However, still not a competitor to WoW in raw number of players.

 

The only (almost) fact listed is that WoW sold more than the other games.  None of the the rest is fact, and is pure opinion.

LOL..... in your opinion, the facts however say your opinion is on par with the success level of WAR and AoC combined.

Originally posted by Trianon

Originally posted by Cibaj

Originally posted by Trianon

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

WoW - Huge fan base - Expansion (not release, just an EXPANSION) sold more than all three competitors combined, 20+ new NA servers opened to cater to the added load (more new servers than some of the competition have in total world wide).

WAR - Piss poor game - Forced server merges - Maybe xfire should record how much time WAR fans spend on WoW forums talking shit, probably double the time they spend on their WAR servers playing that shit.

AoC - Worse than WAR, all round bad game, hard to pick out one redeeming feature from this mother of all turds.

Lotro - Of the three I think Lotro is the most successful and most interesting, however they lost me after the beta, the Moria expansion does look tempting however and I may jump in again at some point. However, still not a competitor to WoW in raw number of players.

 

The only (almost) fact listed is that WoW sold more than the other games.  None of the the rest is fact, and is pure opinion.

 

LOL..... in your opinion, the facts however say your opinion is on par with the success level of WAR and AoC combined.

So commercial success is eqivalent to the best game now. LOL. I guess Britney Spears must be so much better than Bravery then...NOT. AoC got the steamroll going now. Game with growing population.

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Trianon

Originally posted by Cibaj

Originally posted by Trianon

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

WoW - Huge fan base - Expansion (not release, just an EXPANSION) sold more than all three competitors combined, 20+ new NA servers opened to cater to the added load (more new servers than some of the competition have in total world wide).

WAR - Piss poor game - Forced server merges - Maybe xfire should record how much time WAR fans spend on WoW forums talking shit, probably double the time they spend on their WAR servers playing that shit.

AoC - Worse than WAR, all round bad game, hard to pick out one redeeming feature from this mother of all turds.

Lotro - Of the three I think Lotro is the most successful and most interesting, however they lost me after the beta, the Moria expansion does look tempting however and I may jump in again at some point. However, still not a competitor to WoW in raw number of players.

 

The only (almost) fact listed is that WoW sold more than the other games.  None of the the rest is fact, and is pure opinion.

 

LOL..... in your opinion, the facts however say your opinion is on par with the success level of WAR and AoC combined.

 

So commercial success is eqivalent to the best game now. LOL. I guess Britney Spears must be so much better than Bravery then...NOT. AoC got the steamroll going now. Game with growing population.

So on the flip side a tragic ugly flawed launch with server mergers and loss of the overwhelming majority of its players somehow equates to quality?  I guess when Funcom goes belly up that will show just how awesome the game really was.

Briney spears is an entertainer aimed at pre teens and yes she kicked ass at her job.  There is a large difference between an artist and an entertainer, but many people are just to ignorant to understand that.

On no, not another X-Fire thread. Didn't we rip these threads to shreds in others forums trying to claim that X-Fire is proof or something?

Anyway,  a few things about X-fire as it related to WOW. WOW has been out a while now so a lot of people jump from it to other games. It is like the old comfy blanket you love - maybe you don't use it everynight but you keep coming back to it.

Also, look at this time of year. Lots of games coming out and holidays are approaching. A lot of people are in finals and the last few days of class before X-mas break. A lot of people, like myself, have so much going on, our time is limited to very little play time so we choose to play console's or single player games that are not measured by X-fire.

As to WAR and AOC, of course things stablized and look good because once you hit rock bottom, the only way to go is up. Ok, ok, I am only kidding but seriously, WAR just released a huge patch with 2 new classes so they will draw a lot of players and a majority of them are from WOW.

In the long run, it doesn't matter what X-fire numbers look like week to week...it is the long term that matters. Compare WOW's numbers to the weekend after WOTLK released and then compare both to the weekend or two before the last major patch in WOW. Compare all of those numbers, then we can talk trends.

And lastly, this is what happend when idiots race to max level as fast as possible. WOW can be best enjoyed by stopping to smell the roses and reading the quests, doing 5 man runs, enjoying the time it takes, etc.... But so many people want to rush to the end and be the first to do this or that they forget to enjoy the game. So all of those people who rushed are getting bored (as we thought and said they would) and quitting. No big deal.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Trianon

Originally posted by Cibaj

Originally posted by Trianon

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

WoW - Huge fan base - Expansion (not release, just an EXPANSION) sold more than all three competitors combined, 20+ new NA servers opened to cater to the added load (more new servers than some of the competition have in total world wide).

WAR - Piss poor game - Forced server merges - Maybe xfire should record how much time WAR fans spend on WoW forums talking shit, probably double the time they spend on their WAR servers playing that shit.

AoC - Worse than WAR, all round bad game, hard to pick out one redeeming feature from this mother of all turds.

Lotro - Of the three I think Lotro is the most successful and most interesting, however they lost me after the beta, the Moria expansion does look tempting however and I may jump in again at some point. However, still not a competitor to WoW in raw number of players.

 

The only (almost) fact listed is that WoW sold more than the other games.  None of the the rest is fact, and is pure opinion.

 

LOL..... in your opinion, the facts however say your opinion is on par with the success level of WAR and AoC combined.

 

So commercial success is eqivalent to the best game now. LOL. I guess Britney Spears must be so much better than Bravery then...NOT. AoC got the steamroll going now. Game with growing population.

So on the flip side a tragic ugly flawed launch with server mergers and loss of the overwhelming majority of its players somehow equates to quality?  I guess when Funcom goes belly up that will show just how awesome the game really was.

 

Briney spears is an entertainer aimed at pre teens and yes she kicked ass at her job.  There is a large difference between an artist and an entertainer, but many people are just to ignorant to understand that.

No Britney sell the most she is the best. Please stay on topic.

lol

October Summary

1. Fallout 3
2. Spore
3. Nancy Drew: The Haunting of Castle Malloy
4. Far Cry 2
5. Warhammer Online: Age Of Reckoning
6. WoW: Battle Chest
7. The Sims 2 Apartment Life Expansion Pack
8. Fallout 3 Collectors Ed
9. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe
10. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3
11. World Of Warcraft
12. Civilization IV: Colonization
13. WoW: Burning Crusade
14. Crysis: Warhead
15. Brothers In Arms: Hell's Highway
16. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Premier Ed
17. Dead Space
18. Spore Creature Creator
19. Civilization IV
20. The Sims 2 FreeTime

NPD Charts October 26 - November 1

1. Fallout 3
2. C&C: Red Alert 3
3. Fallout 3 Collector's Edition
4. Spore
5. Far Cry 2
6. The Sims 2 Apartment Life
7. Nancy Drew: The Haunting of Castle Malloy
8. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe
9. Fallout 3 Survival Edition
10. C&C: Red Alert 3 Premier Edition

NPD Sales Charts November 2-8

1. Fallout 3
2. Spore
3. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3
4. WoW: Battle Chest
5. Far Cry 2
6. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe
7. The Sims 2 Apartment Life
8. Nancy Drew: The Haunting of Castle Malloy
9. Crysis Warhead
10. World Of Warcraft

NPD Sales Charts November 16-22

1. World Of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
2. Left 4 Dead
3. Call Of Duty: World At War
4. The Sims 2 Mansion & Garden Stuff
5. EverQuest II: The Shadow Odyssey
6. Spore
7. Fallout 3
8. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe
9. World Of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King Collectors Ed
10. The Sims 2 Apartment Life

NPD Sales Charts November 23-29

1. World Of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
2. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe
3. Spore
4. BioShock
5. The Sims 2 Deluxe
6. Left 4 Dead
7. Call Of Duty: World At War
8. Assassin's Creed
9. World Of Warcraft: Battle Chest
10. The Sims 2 Apartment Life

LOTRO, AOC, WAR and WOW highlighted.
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 Source: NPD and Kotaku

The AoC shills are unrelenting. First you spammed WAR forums with xfire stats and now you're trying it here? Yet right after AoC xfire stats are mentioned, they suddenly "mean nothing".

Absolutely devastating.  At this rate, LotRO, AoC, and WAR will kill WoW off completely in ten to fifteen years.

Originally posted by ScamMan

Yeahyeah and yeah so WotLK is the biggest kid on the block, strong and mean and all that... But it also looks like this kid is getting a bit obese. lol

WoW LK has consistently lost gaming time in Xfire since launch, less than a month back. It's not something just related to the season as both LotRo and AoC seem to have gained some gaming time. Even WAR looks almost like stabilized. Could it really be that people finally are getting fed up by the Fat and Ugly Punk in MMO world? Comments

/www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/

Lol, you again?!

Are you never happy? Just by the title and by my BS meter, I am totally unsurprised to see you as the OP, and STILL with that xfire crap, even though you failed when you tried to troll WAR with them in comparison to AOC.

This is the kind of useless crap the mods should endeavor to rid this site of...you bring down the collective mmo IQ.

Originally posted by Trianon

Originally posted by Cibaj

Originally posted by Trianon

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

WoW - Huge fan base - Expansion (not release, just an EXPANSION) sold more than all three competitors combined, 20+ new NA servers opened to cater to the added load (more new servers than some of the competition have in total world wide).

WAR - Piss poor game - Forced server merges - Maybe xfire should record how much time WAR fans spend on WoW forums talking shit, probably double the time they spend on their WAR servers playing that shit.

AoC - Worse than WAR, all round bad game, hard to pick out one redeeming feature from this mother of all turds.

Lotro - Of the three I think Lotro is the most successful and most interesting, however they lost me after the beta, the Moria expansion does look tempting however and I may jump in again at some point. However, still not a competitor to WoW in raw number of players.

 

The only (almost) fact listed is that WoW sold more than the other games.  None of the the rest is fact, and is pure opinion.

 

LOL..... in your opinion, the facts however say your opinion is on par with the success level of WAR and AoC combined.

What does this even mean?

You know, who honestly cares anymore.

If the mmorpg has more than 100k subscribers, what does it matter to you anyway, its not like your seeing 100k subscibers on the same damn server anyways.

If your having fun in either one of these days, good for you.

Alot of players want their particular MMORPG to be #1 and everyone wants to be part of a WINNING team and state my MMO is better than your MMO.

With all do respect, I look at it this way..

1. World of Warcraft been around since 2004, it had the time to establish a solid mmorpg game and keeping it simple to where anyone can simply get into the game and understand it. The age bracket for this game (5 years of age up to 100 years old). Its got pretty cartoon graphics like Dragon Ball Z while trying to keep a serious attitude with some laughs when it comes to game play.

2. Warhammer Online, if you dont like PvP, then Warhammer isnt for you, WAR is very centric around PvPing / RvR and not geared 75% into PvE like other mmo titles. The game still has a strong following, but if your looking for a Dragon Ball Z type mmo, this isnt the one for you. The graphics are more realistic and the characters looked all pissed off, hell its WAR, it shouldnt be pretty.

3. LotRO, another solid mmorpg with a HUGE fanbase when it comes to everything on this planet and not just a MMORPG, if your a Lord of the Rings junkie, we all know what game your playing.

4. EQ series, the MMO that set pretty much set standards for what we got now, I understand UO being one of the pioneers of the MMO, but to me you can see Everquest elements in every MMO you play. It may not have had the same success as World of Warcraft, but if it wasnt for EQ, we wouldnt have what we got today in MMORPGS. EQ has to have the Hardest of hardcore fans to even play the game and keep it going after so many years. A TRUE dedicated base.

Now of course, games that were not mentioned like my other past favorites and also bring to the table .. Dark Age of Camelot, Eve, SWG, Anarchy Online, Ultima Online and Ascherons Call.

If it wasnt for these titles as well, we all still would be playing FPS games like Starsiege tribes, Unreal, Half Life and MUDS..

And this is just MY opinion on the subject at hand..