I think what they have done to EQ/EQ2 may actually be WORSE than the NGE...  They actually changed the entire gameplay system and how you achieve in the game...  It's amazing that this isn't a bigger deal than it is.

Just months ago they said they were not going to do this and now, suddenly, they have.  No questions, on concerns, just did it.  It's an absolute disgrace to ethics.

I cannot believe there are people pathetic enough to keep paying SOE to play their games.

Originally posted by Thunderous

I think what they have done to EQ/EQ2 may actually be WORSE than the NGE...  They actually changed the entire gameplay system and how you achieve in the game...  It's amazing that this isn't a bigger deal than it is.

Just months ago they said they were not going to do this and now, suddenly, they have.  No questions, on concerns, just did it.  It's an absolute disgrace to ethics.

I cannot believe there are people pathetic enough to keep paying SOE to play their games.

 Yep.

And I think this will be their complete undoing.  SWG is dead, because of the NGE.  It's kept alive only because LEC wants a game until the new one comes out.  Vanguard and every other game SOE has touched has turned to... fail.  EQ/EQ2 is the only thing funding them.  They just messed with that big time.  Smed himself promised that outside the station exchange servers RMT wouldn't hit other EQ2 servers.

It was dropped on them overnight with no notice at all.

Smed again was proven a liar when he said the "CU is here to stay".

Their new games they are working on are guaranteed failures the second they are released.  No way in hell they will ever release a new title that makes it.

If EQ dies, there IS no more SOE.

Originally posted by Thunderous

I think what they have done to EQ/EQ2 may actually be WORSE than the NGE...  They actually changed the entire gameplay system and how you achieve in the game...  It's amazing that this isn't a bigger deal than it is.

Just months ago they said they were not going to do this and now, suddenly, they have.  No questions, on concerns, just did it.  It's an absolute disgrace to ethics.

I cannot believe there are people pathetic enough to keep paying SOE to play their games.

It is a big deal, but SOE has put the effort to keep the negative TCG discussion away from the official main forums by introducing some new rules which no one understands but trends show that all negative posting is dumped in a new forum called TCG (which no one visits) whistl pro-tcg posts are allowed to be discussed until of course it becomes negative and thus locked.

Smed has also gone to great lengths to asure people this system is "the future" and that they should be happy about it.

Originally posted by Hozloff

Originally posted by Thunderous

I think what they have done to EQ/EQ2 may actually be WORSE than the NGE...  They actually changed the entire gameplay system and how you achieve in the game...  It's amazing that this isn't a bigger deal than it is.

Just months ago they said they were not going to do this and now, suddenly, they have.  No questions, on concerns, just did it.  It's an absolute disgrace to ethics.

I cannot believe there are people pathetic enough to keep paying SOE to play their games.

 

It is a big deal, but SOE has put the effort to keep the negative TCG discussion away from the official main forums by introducing some new rules which no one understands but trends show that all negative posting is dumped in a new forum called TCG (which no one visits) whistl pro-tcg posts are allowed to be discussed. 

Smed has also gone to great lengths to asure people this system is "the future" and that they should be happy about it.

Of course Smed's future after his firing from SOE (which will happen soon as whomever is in charge of him sobers up) is to work at a 7-11 somewhere.  He should be happy about it.

Originally posted by salvaje

Originally posted by Hozloff

Originally posted by Thunderous

I think what they have done to EQ/EQ2 may actually be WORSE than the NGE...  They actually changed the entire gameplay system and how you achieve in the game...  It's amazing that this isn't a bigger deal than it is.

Just months ago they said they were not going to do this and now, suddenly, they have.  No questions, on concerns, just did it.  It's an absolute disgrace to ethics.

I cannot believe there are people pathetic enough to keep paying SOE to play their games.

 

It is a big deal, but SOE has put the effort to keep the negative TCG discussion away from the official main forums by introducing some new rules which no one understands but trends show that all negative posting is dumped in a new forum called TCG (which no one visits) whistl pro-tcg posts are allowed to be discussed. 

Smed has also gone to great lengths to asure people this system is "the future" and that they should be happy about it.

 

Of course Smed's future after his firing from SOE (which will happen soon as whomever is in charge of him sobers up) is to work at a 7-11 somewhere.  He should be happy about it.

 

Quite honestly, I hope he ends up in the desert with a leaky bottle of water. The guy is reprehensible and is EASILY the most hated person assosciated with video games. Why SOE hasnt fired him is completely beyond me.

He has taken a company that used to be the best company in the MMO business and totally and utterly RUINED it. He has dragged the once good names of SOE, LA and the SW franchise through the mud and yet for some inexplicable reason, no one has had the foresight to get rid of him.

Most recently, his ineptitude has been responsible for what I would imagine is some SERIOUS damage to EQ2. This corporate mantra of "Reward Failure" really needs to go away. Idiots like this guy should be fired, with no severance in a clear signal to other idiots who have jobs they clearly do not deserve.

Honestly, I'd be very happy to see him with a styrofoam cup in his hand on a street corner. He deserves nothing less.

S

I believe his luck depends on the success of SOEs forthcoming games (the agency, free realms). If these fail to deliver he may very well be ending up at a 7-11 and whomever replaces him will likely have come to his senses and close down the nge - if sw-tor does not take care of that before.

ah, smed. the p.t. barnum of mmo-dom. "THIS WAY TO THE GREAT EGRESS"

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by salvaje

Originally posted by Hozloff

Originally posted by Thunderous

I think what they have done to EQ/EQ2 may actually be WORSE than the NGE...  They actually changed the entire gameplay system and how you achieve in the game...  It's amazing that this isn't a bigger deal than it is.

Just months ago they said they were not going to do this and now, suddenly, they have.  No questions, on concerns, just did it.  It's an absolute disgrace to ethics.

I cannot believe there are people pathetic enough to keep paying SOE to play their games.

 

It is a big deal, but SOE has put the effort to keep the negative TCG discussion away from the official main forums by introducing some new rules which no one understands but trends show that all negative posting is dumped in a new forum called TCG (which no one visits) whistl pro-tcg posts are allowed to be discussed. 

Smed has also gone to great lengths to asure people this system is "the future" and that they should be happy about it.

 

Of course Smed's future after his firing from SOE (which will happen soon as whomever is in charge of him sobers up) is to work at a 7-11 somewhere.  He should be happy about it.

 

 

Quite honestly, I hope he ends up in the desert with a leaky bottle of water. The guy is reprehensible and is EASILY the most hated person assosciated with video games. Why SOE hasnt fired him is completely beyond me.

He has taken a company that used to be the best company in the MMO business and totally and utterly RUINED it. He has dragged the once good names of SOE, LA and the SW franchise through the mud and yet for some inexplicable reason, no one has had the foresight to get rid of him.

Most recently, his ineptitude has been responsible for what I would imagine is some SERIOUS damage to EQ2. This corporate mantra of "Reward Failure" really needs to go away. Idiots like this guy should be fired, with no severance in a clear signal to other idiots who have jobs they clearly do not deserve.

Honestly, I'd be very happy to see him with a styrofoam cup in his hand on a street corner. He deserves nothing less.

S

My vision is Smed living under the Ironton-Russell Bridge.

Originally posted by salvaje

Could this finally be the storm that cracks the trunk of the rotten SOE tree and put this failing MMO publisher out of it's misery?

 

I hope so!

I am new here and thrilled this sort of community exists.

I was once an avid fan of SWG, then SOE ruined a good thing.  I've never enjoyed another MMO as much as I did SWG (I've tried a dozen others since).

Originally posted by DeziTorek

Originally posted by salvaje

Could this finally be the storm that cracks the trunk of the rotten SOE tree and put this failing MMO publisher out of it's misery?

 

 

I hope so!

I am new here and thrilled this sort of community exists.

I was once an avid fan of SWG, then SOE ruined a good thing.  I've never enjoyed another MMO as much as I did SWG (I've tried a dozen others since).

welcome to mmorpg.com and welcome to the SWG vet refugee.

as a game that would give you sort of the same thrill of the pre-cu, try eve online. (i made it my new home)

and they are comming out soon with the ambulation expansion ( you actually get to get out of your ship and walk in stations... (sry not trying to advertize eve )

enjoy your stay

I also play EVE.

Well you'll never know if things like this are a big deal from reading a forum.  You'll get the "fanboi" or "troll" flame threads to watch.. and perhaps amuse.

Most people that play these games don't post on forums.  If they get mad they cancel and you won't know... Unless you played with them, knew them.. or notice that your once thriving server is dead.

Then the worst thing you could do is post here.

Someone will tell you how alive your server is.. which will probably only piss you off more as you wait hours to do any group content (this isn't isolated to soe games so don't worry).

*disclaimer*

To be clear I never said this will or will not have a negative effect.. I am talking in general.

I'm not sure what Smeds thinking is.  In the past when an obvious majority felt one way he kept talking about have 100% support.  Then seemed amazed when the player base.. vanished.

Maybe they want to enter the asian market... they have never been successful there.  They could probably get more subs and make more profit in that market to be honest.  Just open up the full blown cash shop and go.

They haven't had a game I really wanted to play since 2005'ish (tho I do like eq2 now and then).

So if they went into the asian market and were very successful.. I wouldn't notice.

I just don't think Smed's concept is going to fly to well in the "western market".  I did notice on the free realms website that they now are listing that it will have IN and OUT of game TCG.  I don't think that was up there the last time I went to the site (yes I watch their games because if they had something fun I'd play it).

*last part of ramble*  Yes by the last sentence I wrote I am not an SOE hater.. nor does the TCG really bother me.  However, my friends that were still playing/raiding in EQ2 have said they are leaving now.

/shrug

1ST Came the console game,Then I moved in o the Online PC game,Then I moved on to the MMO games and that was the end of my console gaming until now. Looks like I will be going back to console gaming now that the MMO industry is infected with TCG and Cash Shop Viruses. MMO indistry RIP.

Originally posted by Terranah

Originally posted by indiramourn

Well done, Sharkypal. Because the only action that customers can take right now to send a message to SoE is to cancel their subscriptions.  

But are we sheep or are we lions?  If enough people cancel some bean-counter deep within the bowels of the SoE machine will take notice and the damage control will begin.  But if people just post angrily on the forums and take a "I hate it but I'll stay subscribed and see what happens" attitude, then nothing will happen.  Please people, take action!

 

Actually this is what we thought when they brought us the SWG NGE.  There was a rush of cancellations.  Petitions were started and thousands upon thousands of people spoke up on mmo forum boards all over the place.

 

But in the end, SOE was immune to customer outrage.  They went full steam ahead with their plans despite what the majority of SWG players wanted.

 

I can see another potential possiblity to SOE's RMT.  Perhaps it is greed, but could it also be DESPERATION.  Maybe they are more desperate for cash than they are letting on?  They act like they don't need subscribers.  They alienate customers left and right, all the while operating servers at well below maximum capacity.  The few players left do not add up sufficiently to pay the mounting bills, and so now we have this disqusting act of desperation.  Could the end of SOE be near?

It does seem like a last desperate grab at the wallets of the few remaining subscribers in their games doesn't it?
 

I've been told that they lost 100k subs in the first 30 days of the NGE.

100K of 225K which were subbed before the fateful announcement.

Took a year to lose 100K more.

The last year they've been bleeding off the last 25K.  Down to what, 10K now?

Originally posted by salvaje

I've been told

Stopped reading there. Provide some actual evidence that sub numbers are what you say they are. And no, "taking your word for it" is not an option.

Sorry to ask this stupid question but what is RMT ?     Never mind found info on RMT .

I think waiting around for SOE to die is about as much a waste of time as waiting by the clock for the end of the world.  It'll happen when people stop giving a crap about SoE period, the fact that people are still protesting their company and raising hell is just giving them more fuel for their fire.

Honestly people thought SWG was going to die years ago; but, look it's still trailing along like a diseased calf.  It'll never crash as long as people keep paying for those stupid card games and subs for SOE products.  There is only one way to take SOE down.  

Initiate Order 66

Kill all the subscribers!  Kill them all!  /sarcasm off