they take the blaster and shoot themself in the foo (SWG NGE)

now they take the sword and stab their other foot (EQ-EQ2)

oh and they said they would not do it, that will never happen, lies all over again.

so now i have 3 boxes that i use as paperweights. EQ-EQ2-SWG

P.S. just to note, CCP (EVE-online) charges you 19,95 for a digital copy and 30 days gametime and then 15$/month AND THATS IT, they dont even charge you for patches or expansions or ANY new content they add. those are free! (GASP!) ( oh and i payed for a 3 month sub so that gets me 11,50/month) which i find a really good deal

so i got the game and 10 expansions (and any future expansion) for 20$ total.

i dont think SOE really needs the money the cash shops will bring in, thats just greed, and stupidity.

but i think the ONLY good thing SOE did was the station pass. ill give them credit for that.(BUT NOTHING ELSE)

Im not happy with them adding this, but in the big picture for me.... this does not change my game play.

I have no use for any of this fluff. I guess the only diff here is that instead of paying some random dude for a LoN game fluff card you are paying SOE..... either way you are paying.

As for the ppl would love this fuff and dont like the idea of having to pay for it......

yeah that does suck

Also its not uncommon for companies to change direction when the times call for it.

We all knew this was coming.  Smedley has always made it perfectly clear this is his vision for MMO gaming in the future.

As an EQ2 player who does enjoy the game, this new update made me go "Oh what the- ", especially since they never said "We're going to add Station Cash, is this awesome? [Y/N]" I will not be surprised if you can buy super-swords-of-awesome-leet later on, though. If/when it does happen, I'm out of there.

Originally posted by Waterlily

This is what SoE said to the EQ players a few months before this when they were getting worried:

 

"We have no plans what so ever to do actual sales of in game items, and I'm personally very opposed to the idea for EverQuest.  I think microtransations can be a valid business model if planned from the ground up for a game, but it would be very very bad for EQ."

I really dispise them now lol. They just ignored their players and went ahead with it anyway after many objections.

Hey, you know, if anyone bought extended subscription time based on this statement (which is now false), you should ask for a refund, and copy your state attorney general.  That's how some SWG players told me they got their sub fees back when SOE promised one thing, but then delivered the exact opposite.
 

SOE seems to think that they can tell customers one thing, take their money, and then do the opposite.  There are laws against that they seem to ignore.

Someone will probably tell me, "it's their game, they can do what they want."  Yup, you're right, AND that's not what I'm talking about, at all.  What they can't do is tell their customers one thing, and then do the opposite.  They need to honour their statements, especially if people make purchasing decisions based on them.

Lets hope SOE isn't going to be a trend starter here. If this takes off then theres a good chance other companies will follow them based on the way these companies/developers take little ideas from each other. The only thing we can do is make an impact with our credit card. If you don't like this cancel your account.

WoW said that they were actually going to do it first.   SoE just decided to get it out the door first.

Yet games lack such a backbone that they will continue to play these games, all SOE games, and they will continue to complain about it while dishing out money and time to do so.  SOE gets the last laugh because people are sheep.  Actually sheep are vertebrates, most people are more like fungus.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Thradar

Pathetic.  When real money starts trading hands for anything other than server access...then it ceases to be a "game" and the person playing it ceases to be a "gamer."

That's all I have to say about it.

 

Agreed.

/signed

Originally posted by Rekindle

flame SOE all you want. They know there is a market for this stuff and they are simply stealing that market away from the sweatshops.

People may think its unehtical for devs to do this but look at the bigger picture , especially if you ever bought currency online.

There is also a market for crack...

How many Station Dollars for a rock?

I have news for you, the bigger picture that you see is an illusion created by the greedy exploitative games companies that love the sneaky underhand drip feed revenue of RMT.

Just out of curiousity, how is the current player base reacting to this? I know most of you guys here don't play.

This really isnt much different than charging subscribers once a year for additional content through expansions at the sum of $40 a pop.

Nor is it any different than charging subscribers for the adventure packs that have been a part of the game since it was released.  Some may argue differently, but in my eyes paying a subscription and not being able to access specific instances, mounts, areas on the map, pets and armor because I didnt pay for an expansion is no different than not owning these items that are sold with RL cash.

I remember when adventure packs were announced.  The same types of threads popped up about SOE back then.  Since then I guess people forgot about it, or feel its not in the same realm as an item shop.  I think the same will hold true with this.

Originally posted by Torak

Just out of curiousity, how is the current player base reacting to this? I know most of you guys here don't play.

 

 

It's mostly very negative overall.

I was an active EQ player and had bought SoD (Seeds of Destruction), the latetst expansion of EQ before this. I feel mostly betrayed because we were assured this was not going to happen by the developers and by SoE.

It matters for me because it hurts the integrity of the game too much. Mostly I was angered by the way it was done though. No players were informed this was going to happen and even some community people had no clue what was going on or what Station Cash was when the website appeared.

Developers were working on this incognito and were apparently not allowed to say a word about this because not a single player knew this was going in up till yesterday.

This was done on purpose right after the expansion release.

I'm not a hater of EQ. I love EQ, it was a great game, but now it is nothing, it's just being abused. I don't want to play a game that's just a marketing ploy to get money.

EQ lost it's soul yesterday. Some would argue this happened with LoN or long before this. But this was what no one thought could happen. Anything we strived for and considered status of gameplay can now be sold in-game through the marketplace for $. They can go as far as they want with this.

I have access to the EQ boards, I said what was on my mind, which is that I don't agree with this, that I don't agree how this was done without any players communication and that I have cancelled my account.

We've been yelling it for years.

SOE = A BAD COMPANY

They lie, the cheat, they steal.

At this point, if you choose to ignore us and give them your money, you deserve to be swindled.

I have no sympathy for any of you.

Haha, This made me laugh. I played EQ for 5 years. The constant hacking at the end of those 5 years ruined it for me, and this is iceing on the cake. SoE is ruining everything they built and the potential of this company has dwindled away.

I find it funny that someone made the comment that blizzard will be doing this. Why in the hell would they? They already have a system down that they basically print there own money. I think everyone needs to get off there high horse and realize that we're just pissed off at blizzard for making WoW a cutesy easy to digest MMO. All they are doing is refining WoW to be easier and even more cutesy than ever before. Get over it, and move on to an MMO that is good... ex. LOTRO.

Originally posted by Rayx0r

This really isnt much different than charging subscribers once a year for additional content through expansions at the sum of $40 a pop.

Nor is it any different than charging subscribers for the adventure packs that have been a part of the game since it was released.  Some may argue differently, but in my eyes paying a subscription and not being able to access specific instances, mounts, areas on the map, pets and armor because I didnt pay for an expansion is no different than not owning these items that are sold with RL cash.

I remember when adventure packs were announced.  The same types of threads popped up about SOE back then.  Since then I guess people forgot about it, or feel its not in the same realm as an item shop.  I think the same will hold true with this.

but you still have to pay for the expansion... AND you have to pay more for the sub... AND you have to pay for items... so no its not different than paying for an expansion... as far as i am concerned you already pay for the expansion, they are just charging you for the items that are in it some extra $$

you pay for the game, you pay a sub to access the game, you pay expansion to access the expanded game, and now you pay for the items within the game and expanded game... give me  a break...

ITS either a sub OR  rmt not both.

i can handle buying a game and then having a RMT

i can handle buying a game and then having a sub

i CAN'T handle buying a game and then having  a sub and then having RMT and then having 1 expansion every 2 F****** months.

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

Originally posted by Rayx0r

This really isnt much different than charging subscribers once a year for additional content through expansions at the sum of $40 a pop.

Nor is it any different than charging subscribers for the adventure packs that have been a part of the game since it was released.  Some may argue differently, but in my eyes paying a subscription and not being able to access specific instances, mounts, areas on the map, pets and armor because I didnt pay for an expansion is no different than not owning these items that are sold with RL cash.

I remember when adventure packs were announced.  The same types of threads popped up about SOE back then.  Since then I guess people forgot about it, or feel its not in the same realm as an item shop.  I think the same will hold true with this.

 

but you still have to pay for the expansion... AND you have to pay more for the sub... AND you have to pay for items... so no its not different than paying for an expansion... as far as i am concerned you already pay for the expansion, they are just charging you for the items that are in it some extra $$

you pay for the game, you pay a sub to access the game, you pay expansion to access the expanded game, and now you pay for the items within the game and expanded game... give me  a break...

ITS either a sub OR  rmt not both.

i can handle buying a game and then having a RMT

i can handle buying a game and then having a sub

i CAN'T handle buying a game and then having  a sub and then having RMT and then having 1 expansion every 2 F****** months.

yup, EQ2 is becoming a very large sink hole.  Im quite surprised that the latest expansion included all their previous expansions and adventure packs to be honest. 

Originally posted by Homergdog

Haha, This made me laugh. I played EQ for 5 years. The constant hacking at the end of those 5 years ruined it for me, and this is iceing on the cake. SoE is ruining everything they built and the potential of this company has dwindled away.

I find it funny that someone made the comment that blizzard will be doing this. Why in the hell would they? They already have a system down that they basically print there own money. I think everyone needs to get off there high horse and realize that we're just pissed off at blizzard for making WoW a cutesy easy to digest MMO. All they are doing is refining WoW to be easier and even more cutesy than ever before. Get over it, and move on to an MMO that is good... ex. LOTRO.

 

Well, Blizzard already charge you to re-customise your character, which VERY easily could have been offered through an NPC in game for free.

Don't tell me Blizz isnt as greedy as the rest.

The point, again, here is that no game is profitable enough for these corperations.

Yes, a successful game makes a profit, but a succesful with RMT makes more profit.

There is no such thing as too much profit for these guys, screw the games and the gamers.

Couldnt happen here? Think again.

Originally posted by Rayx0r

This really isnt much different than charging subscribers once a year for additional content through expansions at the sum of $40 a pop.

Nor is it any different than charging subscribers for the adventure packs that have been a part of the game since it was released.  Some may argue differently, but in my eyes paying a subscription and not being able to access specific instances, mounts, areas on the map, pets and armor because I didnt pay for an expansion is no different than not owning these items that are sold with RL cash.

I remember when adventure packs were announced.  The same types of threads popped up about SOE back then.  Since then I guess people forgot about it, or feel its not in the same realm as an item shop.  I think the same will hold true with this.

It's completely different. In the examples you gave, everyone gets the same content experience for the same fixed price. With microtransactions or item shops, the more you pay the more you get.

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Originally posted by Scalebane

 Reading throught a lot of posts i can see all the ones who hate this idea, and i also see those who like it, and there are a lot of them.  How many of these people buy gold and other things already to get some kind of edge?

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Too many.

Anyone with any piece of self-worth in them wouldn't cheat themselves!

Thus, RMT supporters are often corporate hacks (getting paid for doing so); gold farmers/sellers; "mythical update" raid guild members; and Ebay game account sellers.

RMT isn't a sin to them, as they don't really play the MMO for it's worth, just the money itself.

But that doesn't mean RMT is kosher. In fact, it maybe the very deathknell to the genre (as devs spend more time in development on the item mall, and not game play and innovations, instead).