Since Vanguard was originally supposed to be the game for old school hardcore players, but has now been dummied down by SOE, how many of you are looking forward to Darkfall?

I for one will be quitting Darkfall, and looking for a real hardcore MMOG... but I dont know that Vangaurd is it...

Darkfall is gan be nothing more than a gank fest.. No thanks. thats not "Hardcore" thats Retards with no life and to mutch time Ruining others fun. If there are faction servers... mahaps.

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Since Vanguard was originally supposed to be the game for old school hardcore players, but has now been dummied down by SOE, how many of you are looking forward to Darkfall?

Hard to look forward to something that, even if it does get released, is going to be the biggest joke in gaming history, ready to take its rightful place beside Horizons, Shadowbane, and Dark and Light.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Darkfall is gan be nothing more than a gank fest.. No thanks. thats not "Hardcore" thats Retards with no life and to mutch time Ruining others fun. If there are faction servers... mahaps.

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Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Darkfall is gan be nothing more than a gank fest.. No thanks. thats not "Hardcore" thats Retards with no life and to mutch time Ruining others fun. If there are faction servers... mahaps.

It depends... .. At first I was worried about this also. A little chaotic mayhem from time to time is good, but not when its endless griefing or 'rez point killing'. No, thats just lame.

Though, after looking around on the forums for people who want to play Darkfall, the majority seems to be reasonable where the small minority talks about ganking.

I think it should balance out, especially with the faction system in play. They can gank all they want around rez points and such, but they will be pissing their reputation away all over Agon.

 I thought Darkfall was supposed to be an open world pvp game.. not a "hardcore" pve game like eq/early vanguard concept. Other than that, I won't be playing it because I don't know enough about the developers or the game itself. Looks too much like another Dark & Light euro-scam to me.

Originally posted by aeroplane22

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Darkfall is gan be nothing more than a gank fest.. No thanks. thats not "Hardcore" thats Retards with no life and to mutch time Ruining others fun. If there are faction servers... mahaps.

 

It depends... .. At first I was worried about this also. A little chaotic mayhem from time to time is good, but not when its endless griefing or 'rez point killing'. No, thats just lame.

Though, after looking around on the forums for people who want to play Darkfall, the majority seems to be reasonable where the small minority talks about ganking.

I think it should balance out, especially with the faction system in play. They can gank all they want around rez points and such, but they will be pissing their reputation away all over Agon.

You think most people that gank will care about this? In Eve its common place to see a -10 with a alt to go in to safe space for supplies and to sell loot ect. I can easly see the same here. People with their Alts in citys and towns running out to their Mains with all the weapons and ammo they can carry and haulling the days spoils back to base only to do it again.

And Imbat your a DF troll... you dont think any one will take you Serious do you? Shoo troll Sho.

No interest in Darkfall at all.  I'm 99% certain it will be a complete fail and even if it isn't hardcore pve has nothing to do with darkfall.  Thus it isn't even in the same market as vanguard.

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Originally posted by Samuraisword
Since Vanguard was originally supposed to be the game for old school hardcore players, but has now been dummied down by SOE, how many of you are looking forward to Darkfall?

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If Vanguard looses 2% of it's population to Darkfall I would be surprized.
Vanguard is pretty much a PvE game with 1 FFA PvP server.

Darkfall is going to be a hardcore PvP game.

The people who currently play Vanguard are mostly PvE players and have no urge to play a hardcore PvP game at all.

You might want to ask the question of AoC and WAR though. I would think that those 2 games would take a much bigger hit than Vanguard will.

Originally posted by Vespers

 

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Originally posted by Samuraisword
Since Vanguard was originally supposed to be the game for old school hardcore players, but has now been dummied down by SOE, how many of you are looking forward to Darkfall?

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If Vanguard looses 2% of it's population to Darkfall I would be surprized.
Vanguard is pretty much a PvE game with 1 FFA PvP server.

Darkfall is going to be a hardcore PvP game.

The people who currently play Vanguard are mostly PvE players and have no urge to play a hardcore PvP game at all.

You might want to ask the question of AoC and WAR though. I would think that those 2 games would take a much bigger hit than Vanguard will.

Darkfall is both PvE and PvP, it has quests, it has crafting, all of which are set in a world of realism without the typical handholding dummy down aspects of theme park games. AoC and WAR are theme park games which are designed for ADD kiddies and so called casuals so I doubt any of them would be interested in Darkfall. Vanguard however was originally marketed for a more mature gamer, so called hardcore gamers who were looking for more of a challenge, so it seems more likley to me that Vanguard fans would be more interested in Darkfall also.
 

As previously stated, Darkfall is not hardcore but PvP gank fest.

VG is a completely different game which focuses on PvE.

Darkfall promises a lot, can't see how it can deliver it all, sounds like hot air. Ironic I guess since VG promised all these wonderful PvP elements to the game and guess what?

The smart move for VG team would be to sort out some of the issues in PvP ready for the darkfall fall out hehe

Originally posted by metalcore

As previously stated, Darkfall is not hardcore but PvP gank fest.

VG is a completely different game which focuses on PvE.

Darkfall promises a lot, can't see how it can deliver it all, sounds like hot air. Ironic I guess since VG promised all these wonderful PvP elements to the game and guess what?

The smart move for VG team would be to sort out some of the issues in PvP ready for the darkfall fall out hehe

I expect to spend a lot of time PvEing and crafting in Darkfall. Have you seen how extensive the crafting will be in Darkfall? It will be a crafters paradise! PvP is part of it, an important part just to keep your heart pounding, knowing that anyone could attack you and you need to keep on your toes instead of being able to prance around in the wilderness without anything to fear. I think that adds a lot to PvE.

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

Originally posted by metalcore

As previously stated, Darkfall is not hardcore but PvP gank fest.

VG is a completely different game which focuses on PvE.

Darkfall promises a lot, can't see how it can deliver it all, sounds like hot air. Ironic I guess since VG promised all these wonderful PvP elements to the game and guess what?

The smart move for VG team would be to sort out some of the issues in PvP ready for the darkfall fall out hehe

 

I expect to spend a lot of time PvEing and crafting in Darkfall. Have you seen how extensive the crafting will be in Darkfall? It will be a crafters paradise! PvP is part of it, an important part just to keep your heart pounding, knowing that anyone could attack you and you need to keep on your toes instead of being able to prance around in the wilderness without anything to fear. I think that adds a lot to PvE.

I disagree.  PvP doesn't add anything at all in a real RPG other then grief.  Now if the game isn't an RPG but is an RTS then thinks might be different.  RTS games are good for PvP in my opinion because they are more blanced.  PvP in an RPG is just pointly griefing.  When a lvl 50 guy comes up and kills your level 30 guy it is no competion or your uber geared 50 fights a newbie 50 it is no competion.  It isn't challenging it is just unbalanced.  If it isn't unbalanced then it isn't an RPG.  Also PvP tends to nueter good RPG elements like crowd control and class roles.  So in my opinion PvP doesn't enanance PvE and as far as I can see always degrades it.

So since darkfall is a hybrid rts rpg that is open skill based I'm seeing it being less unbalanced but being that it is trying to be an RPG unless skilling up is trivial it will be unbalanced.  Also since there are no classes it won't be long till there are 1-2 templates that everyone emulates.

Darkfall has a nice set of features but unfortunately I see the game failing.  Even assuming it isn't a bug fest and missing promissed features the whole system of RTS/RPG isn't a game I'd want to play and kinda doubt any real RPG fan would want to play.  Certainly not someone that likes Vanguard.... I think you would have better luck recruiting people from the AoC forums.

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

Originally posted by Vespers

 

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Originally posted by Samuraisword
Since Vanguard was originally supposed to be the game for old school hardcore players, but has now been dummied down by SOE, how many of you are looking forward to Darkfall?

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If Vanguard looses 2% of it's population to Darkfall I would be surprized.
Vanguard is pretty much a PvE game with 1 FFA PvP server.

Darkfall is going to be a hardcore PvP game.

The people who currently play Vanguard are mostly PvE players and have no urge to play a hardcore PvP game at all.

You might want to ask the question of AoC and WAR though. I would think that those 2 games would take a much bigger hit than Vanguard will.

Darkfall is both PvE and PvP, it has quests, it has crafting, all of which are set in a world of realism without the typical handholding dummy down aspects of theme park games. AoC and WAR are theme park games which are designed for ADD kiddies and so called casuals so I doubt any of them would be interested in Darkfall. Vanguard however was originally marketed for a more mature gamer, so called hardcore gamers who were looking for more of a challenge, so it seems more likley to me that Vanguard fans would be more interested in Darkfall also.
 

Then again...

I marked the word for you.

You are saying that someone that plays Vanguard and are interested in PVE really are interested in PVP but they play Vanguard which only is PVE game... uhm, why, what, do you say?

You seem to forget that those that plays Vanguard knows that there is no PVP to speak of still they are playing that game.

If they ever release darkfall I cant see how it relates to Vanguard, they are worlds appart - and at least you know you get a good pve game with vanguard, darkfall is all smoke and vapour with insane promises and rampant hype.  Vanguard was to be the greatest mmorpg by the creators of EQ1, with massive backing and hundreds of devs, they couldnt pull off their plans and their hype lead to one of the biggest crashes on release..ghost town in a month.  lucky for VG SoE (love them or hate them) picked up the bits and we now have a good game...I wonder what company will be willing to pickup the darkfall bits - it doesnt really seem to be a SoE kind of game and Nsoft have their plate full... Its hard not to see Darkfall as a DnL waiting to happen.

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

Darkfall is both PvE and PvP, it has quests, it has crafting, all of which are set in a world of realism without the typical handholding dummy down aspects of theme park games. AoC and WAR are theme park games which are designed for ADD kiddies and so called casuals so I doubt any of them would be interested in Darkfall. Vanguard however was originally marketed for a more mature gamer, so called hardcore gamers who were looking for more of a challenge, so it seems more likley to me that Vanguard fans would be more interested in Darkfall also.
 

 You really see your attitude and most of darkfall defenders attitude as mature?

 You call casual gamers "add kiddies" (anyone who belive this hardcore vs casuals, "Im better than you attitude" is not exacly "mature") and belive the darkfall community has anything to do with Vanguard players and use this argument to call yourself and people defending darkfall "mature" .... see, respect is a sign of maturity.

I can´t see why you think "the angry and arrogant kid behind a PC" attitude is similar to a mature gamer attitude.

Vanguard has some issues but it is a PVE mmoRPG, this is the opposite of a action/ego PvP game, the concept of darkfall is not oriented to a mature friendly community but to competition, I can see a lot of FPS players and the most agressive L2 players (the ones with names like OMFGiKillyou) interest in darkfall, but Vanguard players? Hmmm...no.

If you take the df community of today (including you), I can honesty say (without judging you) the way you and the community act is exacly what Vanguard´s and Everquest 2 community cant stand in their groups.

I really cant see how PvE/group oriented players that play VG would want to play DF after check how DF defenders ( and possible subscribers) act in forums ( and probably will act inside the game in the same way).

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Originally posted by ethion

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

Originally posted by metalcore

As previously stated, Darkfall is not hardcore but PvP gank fest.

VG is a completely different game which focuses on PvE.

Darkfall promises a lot, can't see how it can deliver it all, sounds like hot air. Ironic I guess since VG promised all these wonderful PvP elements to the game and guess what?

The smart move for VG team would be to sort out some of the issues in PvP ready for the darkfall fall out hehe

 

I expect to spend a lot of time PvEing and crafting in Darkfall. Have you seen how extensive the crafting will be in Darkfall? It will be a crafters paradise! PvP is part of it, an important part just to keep your heart pounding, knowing that anyone could attack you and you need to keep on your toes instead of being able to prance around in the wilderness without anything to fear. I think that adds a lot to PvE.

 

I disagree.  PvP doesn't add anything at all in a real RPG other then grief.  Now if the game isn't an RPG but is an RTS then thinks might be different.  RTS games are good for PvP in my opinion because they are more blanced.  PvP in an RPG is just pointly griefing.  When a lvl 50 guy comes up and kills your level 30 guy it is no competion or your uber geared 50 fights a newbie 50 it is no competion.  It isn't challenging it is just unbalanced.  If it isn't unbalanced then it isn't an RPG.  Also PvP tends to nueter good RPG elements like crowd control and class roles.  So in my opinion PvP doesn't enanance PvE and as far as I can see always degrades it.

So since darkfall is a hybrid rts rpg that is open skill based I'm seeing it being less unbalanced but being that it is trying to be an RPG unless skilling up is trivial it will be unbalanced.  Also since there are no classes it won't be long till there are 1-2 templates that everyone emulates.

Darkfall has a nice set of features but unfortunately I see the game failing.  Even assuming it isn't a bug fest and missing promissed features the whole system of RTS/RPG isn't a game I'd want to play and kinda doubt any real RPG fan would want to play.  Certainly not someone that likes Vanguard.... I think you would have better luck recruiting people from the AoC forums.

 You sir are a great man
 

If they have a Faction or Pve Server then i would Sub to the game. If its like Eve with LARGE safe zones and i never hafta go to a area where the basterd that ganked me wont Die I would play it.

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Since Vanguard was originally supposed to be the game for old school hardcore players, but has now been dummied down by SOE, how many of you are looking forward to Darkfall?

I've been following Darkfall, but it doesn't look like it's going to pan out.  I'm sure I'll still participate in the beta and give it a good whirl.

Vanguard has really come into it's own.  Performance and bugs have been largely fixed, and its immersiveness and end-game have me hopelessly hooked.  Even if I find another game I like, I won't be leaving Vanguard.

Besides, I'm 38 with a family now.,,, I like the challenging nature of Vanguard, but my desire to play a hard-core gank-fest with bunch of kids is long dead.

Darkfall is the next closest thing to vaporware.   It'll join the long list of little known and quickly forgotten MMOs.  And it sure as shit is not hardcore, that just hype to sell a bad product to fools.