Whether you like DF or not, follow the drama or not, argue pointlessly or not,  like it or not Darkfall's release could very well be an incredibly important point in MMO history. Darkfall will be the first game to break the WoW clone mold in a long time, and it's success or failure could have a strong dictation on the future of the genre. If Darkfall is a big success(not WoW big, but Eve big), it could open the eyes of some bigger companies to start putting thought, creativity, and originality back into their games, instead of just dumping in whatever WoW features they think will make them a quick buck and shipping it out.

Failure of Darkfall, even if it is for reasons beyond basic mechanics(poor launch, lots of bugs, ect) could cause all of the big companies to even further close themselves off from the sandbox style game so many of us crave, and encourage them to pump out even more half aborted WoW abominations.

Whether you like it or not, for the sake of this genre, and the thinking man's MMO sanity, everyone should be cheering for Darkfall.

Excellent post.  Completely agree and have been trying to explain this for a long time now.

People who continue to put this game down (not giving their skepticism but we all know there are those who actively campaign against this game) are NOT GAMERS.

We should all be rooting for DF.

January 22nd 2009 will be a great day....or a let down if the game doesnt release well.  Either way we will be in game and finding out.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Whether you like DF or not, follow the drama or not, argue pointlessly or not,  like it or not Darkfall's release could very well be an incredibly important point in MMO history. Darkfall will be the first game to break the WoW clone mold in a long time, and it's success or failure could have a strong dictation on the future of the genre. If Darkfall is a big success(not WoW big, but Eve big), it could open the eyes of some bigger companies to start putting thought, creativity, and originality back into their games, instead of just dumping in whatever WoW features they think will make them a quick buck and shipping it out.

Failure of Darkfall, even if it is for reasons beyond basic mechanics(poor launch, lots of bugs, ect) could cause all of the big companies to even further close themselves off from the sandbox style game so many of us crave, and encourage them to pump out even more half aborted WoW abominations.

Whether you like it or not, for the sake of this genre, and the thinking man's MMO sanity, everyone should be cheering for Darkfall.

 Very good thread.

Hmm im surpriced, i actually agree with you.

I think some of the big companies are lost to creativity forever tbh, every good game I've played this year with the exception of Fallout 3 has come from and indie developer.  Unless they do some major reorganisation they will continue to produce more of the same shovelware.  EA has been talking about returning the power to their studios but I will believe it when I see it.

We, as gamers, NEED darkfall to do well.  I don't know about the rest of you.. but I'm f'n tired of playing WoW knock offs..

I'm tired of easy peasy wookie-cutters (wow+cookie-cutter=wookie-cutter!)

I'm all for the success of Darkfall if it means you whiney "thinking man's MMO" nerds stfu already about "sandboxes" and "WoW clones".

I agree.  I'm not sure how Darkfall will be, but it has all the makings of a game that so much of us are looking for in a genre that has grown quite stale.  I am willing to forgive a less than perfect launch and support the game if it has the pontential to be great.   BUT if they lie to me, take my money,  and betray my trust there is no amount of snow mammoths that will make it better...I'm not that easy.

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

I'm all for the success of Darkfall if it means you whiney "thinking man's MMO" nerds stfu already about "sandboxes" and "WoW clones".

Aren't you being just a little selfish? You have a plethora of "hold your hand" theme park MMO's, and you are telling us to "shut up and be happy" with 2 or 3 "think for yourself"  MMOs? Very selfish....

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

I'm all for the success of Darkfall if it means you whiney "thinking man's MMO" nerds stfu already about "sandboxes" and "WoW clones".

we couldnt have one decent thread where we all agree and there is not animosity could we.  nope not on these forums.

/golfclap

i wish every single game the best of luck (including hello kitty online).  i dont see why anyone would wish thousands (in this case hundreds of thousands) of hours of development to go to waste. 

i wish Darkfall the best of luck and i think it would be great for Europe, Greece and indie developers (though i have seen how great they can be already).

In case there is any doubt - I want Darkfall to be a success! 

Its because theres too many ignorant Elitist gamer's. Aventurine is releasing a game with a concept that people will enjoy if its done well. Everyone should be rooting for the success of the game because of what it could potentially accomplish with its unique style and mechanics/features. People who deny its potential are just incapable of forming a rational opinion. lol

Say yay, not nay.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

I'm all for the success of Darkfall if it means you whiney "thinking man's MMO" nerds stfu already about "sandboxes" and "WoW clones".

 

Aren't you being just a little selfish? You have a plethora of "hold your hand" theme park MMO's, and you are telling us to "shut up and be happy" with 2 or 3 "think for yourself"  MMOs? Very selfish....

I'm being selfish?

Are you not encouraging people to blindly throw their support behind this game (even if it turns out to be a complete disaster) just to further your own agenda? Isn't that the entire premise of this thread?

Look, I have nothing to gain by either the success or failure of Darkfall (or any other MMO for that matter). I'm just sick of the divisive and elitist crap people of your ilk keep spouting over "half aborted WoW abominations" and "hold your hand" theme parks.

So you like sandboxes? Good for you. You're still every bit as much a nerd as the rest of us video gaming dweebs. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. Get over yourself and lay off the condescending "thinking man" bullsh!t, plz.

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

I'm all for the success of Darkfall if it means you whiney "thinking man's MMO" nerds stfu already about "sandboxes" and "WoW clones".

 

Aren't you being just a little selfish? You have a plethora of "hold your hand" theme park MMO's, and you are telling us to "shut up and be happy" with 2 or 3 "think for yourself"  MMOs? Very selfish....

 

I'm being selfish?

Are you not encouraging people to blindly throw their support behind this game (even if it turns out to be a complete disaster) just to further your own agenda? Isn't that the entire premise of this thread?

Look, I have nothing to gain by either the success or failure of Darkfall (or any other MMO for that matter). I'm just sick of the divisive and elitist crap people of your ilk keep spouting over "half aborted WoW abominations" and "hold your hand" theme parks.

So you like sandboxes? Good for you. You're still every bit as much a nerd as the rest of us video gaming dweebs. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. Get over yourself and lay off the condescending "thinking man" bullsh!t, plz.

 

But you're not forced to come here and post? So why do you do it?

Anyhow, OP I agree with you. Tho we have many other companies crawling out from the table showing that a sandbox game is something that can be done.

Originally posted by rvjones10

 BUT if they lie to me, take my money,  and betray my trust there is no amount of snow mammoths that will make it better...I'm not that easy.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

OP is basically 100% right

i only disagree slightly, and then only with the idea that everyone will be happy about DF's successful release.  the companies developing any kind of clone that has been dubbed "next-gen" because of shader X+1 graphics and a streamlined grinding experience are outright fucked if this game garners any kind of critical attention, as are the current pvp-appeasement time wasters like Warhammer and Age of Conan

everyone else should be praying- to Jeebus, or Allah, or Richard Dawkins, or Tiamat- for this to go even decently.  no point in speculating i suppose, but i want this game to fucking rock.  Aventurine just needs to show us more to "bring the hype" within the next week, if they've got it.  the second they do that, the worst of the malingerers will not only shut up, but kneel.  there's a part inside everyone that wants this game to do well, and most people (like me) are only pissed because they don't have it right now

Originally posted by RDBeast

Its because theres too many ignorant Elitist gamer's. Aventurine is releasing a game with a concept that people will enjoy if its done well. Everyone should be rooting for the success of the game because of what it could potentially accomplish with its unique style and mechanics/features. People who deny its potential are just incapable of forming a rational opinion. lol

 

Say yay, not nay.

 I agree if Darkfall does well it will be a boon to the genre. I have posted so in the past here before. However turning a blind eye, and accepting everything thats written about a game does not make it better I would argue. Many fans have posted and seem to agree that to a certain extent its been the doubters, skeptics, and even occasional troll that has kept this forum alive over the years when Aventurine had little to no information.

  Questioning or doubting something with facts and honest discussion is not bad in my opinion, neither is hyping beyond all expectations good IMO ("Darkfall will be out 2008 for sure", "greatest game ever", "Graphics better then AoC and LoTRO", " 200 vs 200 battles!") 

  Some questions for open discussion (please save the flaming for someone that cares.)

(A) Will accepting everything the Devs say as the truth and never questioning Darkfall Aventurine make DF a better MMO? If so how? Will hyping it as a unplayed game make it a success?

(B) Will questioning the honesty of Aventurine, or some feature of Darkfall lead to the downfall of DF? If again how?

(C) Will showing your elitism by mocking the OP in a positive pro- Darkfall thread with a golfclap help Darkfall? Will it lead to more positive pro-darkfall threads or just start more trolling? Will it make the fan community look  super cool and neat, or simply make said poster look like the troll version of a fanbois?

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

I'm all for the success of Darkfall if it means you whiney "thinking man's MMO" nerds stfu already about "sandboxes" and "WoW clones".

 

Aren't you being just a little selfish? You have a plethora of "hold your hand" theme park MMO's, and you are telling us to "shut up and be happy" with 2 or 3 "think for yourself"  MMOs? Very selfish....

 

I'm being selfish?

Are you not encouraging people to blindly throw their support behind this game (even if it turns out to be a complete disaster) just to further your own agenda? Isn't that the entire premise of this thread?

Look, I have nothing to gain by either the success or failure of Darkfall (or any other MMO for that matter). I'm just sick of the divisive and elitist crap people of your ilk keep spouting over "half aborted WoW abominations" and "hold your hand" theme parks.

So you like sandboxes? Good for you. You're still every bit as much a nerd as the rest of us video gaming dweebs. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. Get over yourself and lay off the condescending "thinking man" bullsh!t, plz.

 

Hmm the OP had a very thoughtful thread going and then comes you all upset cause Darkfall could be something good for this genre, the MMOPRG one?

Themeparks we seen to many of lately so a hopefully good sandbox would be some fresh air, wouldnt you agree?

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

I'm all for the success of Darkfall if it means you whiney "thinking man's MMO" nerds stfu already about "sandboxes" and "WoW clones".

 

Aren't you being just a little selfish? You have a plethora of "hold your hand" theme park MMO's, and you are telling us to "shut up and be happy" with 2 or 3 "think for yourself"  MMOs? Very selfish....

 

I'm being selfish?

Are you not encouraging people to blindly throw their support behind this game (even if it turns out to be a complete disaster) just to further your own agenda? Isn't that the entire premise of this thread?

Look, I have nothing to gain by either the success or failure of Darkfall (or any other MMO for that matter). I'm just sick of the divisive and elitist crap people of your ilk keep spouting over "half aborted WoW abominations" and "hold your hand" theme parks.

So you like sandboxes? Good for you. You're still every bit as much a nerd as the rest of us video gaming dweebs. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. Get over yourself and lay off the condescending "thinking man" bullsh!t, plz.

 

 

Hmm the OP had a very thoughtful thread going and then comes you all upset cause Darkfall could be something good for this genre, the MMOPRG one?

Themeparks we seen to many of lately so a hopefully good sandbox would be some fresh air, wouldnt you agree?

 You know Aragon your probably right and Han was disruptive, but isn't it funny how its ok for a fan to mock the OP with golfclap and then even go so far as to even define it as mockery (leaving no doubt)
 

 We have a postive Darkfall thread here and so far its 1 to 1 in fans vs trolls being disruptive or insulting. I'd call this interesting. Seems the fan community is no better then the trolls. Feel free to discuss. Do these forums have a double standard? You know one where the fans can do no wrong but the doubters, skeptics and trolls are just wrong?