Originally posted by atziluth

So your saying you trust a guy like this.

 ...

That sounds about right for the past 4 - 5 years. Like I said before... Tasos = Smedley

it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:

1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.

2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain

L2google.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Sigh...you are determined to complain about his attitude over and over and over.  Just how many posts are you going to make complaining about it? (you have to be up to several dozen now)

I'm sorry he hurt your feelings, or shocked and horrfied you with his "bad attitude", or didn't come off as a PR flack for EA, but you'll just have to get over it.  The EMO attitude doesn't become you.

This game will either be good, and people will play it, or it will suck , and people won't play it.

This interview or Tasos attitude will have little to do with the ultimate success of the game.

 

 

If he can't do a proper job with PR, what makes you think he can do a proper job with anything else? He is an official representative of DF, but he acted like a regular forum user. Makes me wonder if his company and his game is also a creation of a regular forum user, as in - it is all in his mind, as in - it is all made up, as in -  it is vaporware.

Originally posted by Soundbyte

Originally posted by atziluth

So your saying you trust a guy like this.

 ...

That sounds about right for the past 4 - 5 years. Like I said before... Tasos = Smedley

 

it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:

1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.

2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain

L2google.

 

Numerous people that are not a respectable website or magazine that wrote a review/preview is not a number at all.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by Soundbyte

Originally posted by atziluth

So your saying you trust a guy like this.

 ...

That sounds about right for the past 4 - 5 years. Like I said before... Tasos = Smedley

 

it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:

1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.

2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain

L2google.

 

Numerous people that are not a respectable website or magazine that wrote a review/preview is not a number at all.

well they had mentioend a Italianc group had come in played and got a  few screenies. and full report go read it on DF forums if not stop trolling , and kinda noticed ur a WoW player as well then i guess u wont bother reading the report then.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by dayedreamer

Originally posted by singsofdeath

So...it is ready to launch. More ready than most if not all other MMO's released.

 

Yet it doesn't launch. Why? No reason given.  

 

They did give a reason.

 

"We need the playtesters mostly for extra gameplay feedback and to test hardware configurations."

 

And they need that for several years? o.O

 

Sorry, not a reason.

 

But hey, I'm patient. I'm sure we'll get something this month. be it an announcement or even release. I'll be happy to see where it goes.

 Honestly, do you really think they stayed focused for seven years on just that aspect of the games developement? It's common knowlodge they developed their own inhouse game engine to run the game on. That alone adds 3 to 4 years to a develpement cycle.

Originally posted by Zorvan

I'm sorry. Just another interview. More words and nothing else.

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Instead, more words.

words... the thing a interview is made off.

I'm going to play it, whenever it comes out. Been watching all these comments, and it's classic groupthink haterade. No matter what this guy tasos says or does, some of you will put a negative spin/find fault with it.  You have to know the game exists, FFS..no idea if it will be good, but to continually repeat BS and slam the guy..wow..

Very cocky lol. We will see...

To those who say they won't play because Tasos came off as rude or because they feel they've been lied to: Grow up. None of this pre-release nonsense is going to matter if/when the game comes out. If it's good, people will play it. If all your friends start playing, I'd like to see you stick to your promise to boycott it because the devs "offended" you.

To those who say DF should allow big media in to test the game for free publicity: Uh, why? It seems to me that not doing this is getting them quite a bit of publicity. At least, that's what all your purposeless raving seems to indicate. Personally, I don't think anyone is in a position to criticize Aventurine's PR stance. They spent approximately nothing, and via vague announcements and morsel-by-morsel information releases, they've accumulated an enormous community with plenty of word-of-mouth power. Publicizing their game at this point would probably, at best, have next to no effect. At worst, it could sabotage the popularity of their game (if, say, it's not as polished inside as we've been led to believe).

Before a game is released, all the devs are responsible for is ensuring people are talking about their game. Look at how popular this thread is and tell me they've failed.

lol at people that say they wont play the game because they feel Tasos wasn't nice. That's not the way it works. Who here doesn't shop at walmart cuz theyre assholes and make ppl of third world countries work for pennies ? A small minority ! And the same can be said for most big companies out there, even though we know theyre assholes, we buy it because we like the product.

There are 2 ways of selling your crap. Putting all your energy in advertisement, selling preorders and stuff like that, even though your product sucks. (DnL anyone ?) Or putting your energy in making a good product and relying on word to mouth as your publicity. Darkfall doesn't sell preorders, and they have been clear that they will use a "Try before you buy" formula, something very few games dare to do these days.

When Darkfall releases, (WHEN, since there is now an official date) and if it scores a 8.5 or more /10, will you still be playing it even though you think he was a prick ? Yes. And if not, well youll still be the one missing out and noone will care.

Everyone bow down to our Messiah Tasos, bringer of our holy savior Darkfall Online....

lol

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

You know whats funny, Taco here sounds just like someone elese.

 

Brad McQuaid.

you mean 100% of ALL developers do you not?

If not,please post for us the last time a developer came out and said "OUR game is crap ,it is not ready" "Please do not buy our game it is unpolished" "We will not be ready for our promised launch but i am sure you will be happy with what we are selling you in the meantime""The game will not look as good as it does in the scripted videos,i hope we fooled you into buying our product" .

Ok enough already i am sure i got the point across?in other words your statement is one sided and pointing all of gaming issues on one person?Mr.McQuaid has NOTHING to do with this game in any relevance,no more so than any other game.The ONLY difference between McQuaid and other developers is he took part in forums,others hide and do not.

 

Nope. He’s a special case. Apparently you didn’t follow the fiasco

Sweet, so now you only have to wait 3 more years after they announce the release date

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

You know whats funny, Taco here sounds just like someone elese.

 

Brad McQuaid.

Never thought I would agree with Bloodworth on anything, but he hit the nail on the head.

 

Sigh...you are determined to complain about his attitude over and over and over.  Just how many posts are you going to make complaining about it? (you have to be up to several dozen now)

I'm sorry he hurt your feelings, or shocked and horrfied you with his "bad attitude", or didn't come off as a PR flack for EA, but you'll just have to get over it.  The EMO attitude doesn't become you.

This game will either be good, and people will play it, or it will suck , and people won't play it.

This interview or Tasos attitude will have little to do with the ultimate success of the game.

 

 

How many post are you going to make defending Taco?

Gosh. What a lot of replies. I certainly didn't bother to read any of the 300++ replies that preceded mine.

To anyone who actually bothers reading this post, I have three words: BEWARE, BUT HOPE.

I have followed Darkfall's development for a long time. In that time I've seen Aventurine make a lot of outrageous claims: the game has been stable and feature complete for over a year; the game has more content than WoW; naval combat is better than Pirates of the Burning Seas; mounted combat is similar to Mount & Blade; the AI is so good the game debugs itself, etc. The game promises so much, but how can it deliver? Do the developers seriously believe that a short, closed beta is all that is needed to prepare the game for prime time?

Unless you wish to lose some cash, fast, don't buy this game right off. Wait for the reviews. Wait for a lot of reviews. If the game gets good reviews, I'll be the first person to push you out of line so I can buy a copy. But until then, I'll just shake my head at the fools that rush out to buy this game.

PS there was an error in the news article. Darkfall development started in 2001, not 2003. Indeed, the first initial release date was 2003.

What's funny is people keep saying that Tasos' attitude does not matter once the game is released.  This couldn't be further from the truth.

Think about it.  Game is released.  It's horrible.  (Think DnL horrible) people start leaving in droves and everyone posts that the game needs major fixes.  It's not fun, there's major issues with the gameplay, etc.  And how does Tasos respond?

"Shut up trolls, our game is the best ever!"

6 months later Darkfall closes it's doors and we continue to get the watered down linear games that we've been getting for years.

Do you understand my point?  I WANT Darkfall to succeed.  I'm not even sure if I'll be playing it, but I WANT it to do better than any other game out there.  Do you know why?  So we can get some freaking real MMO games back into this genre!

Tasos' holier than thou attitude is not conductive to changing a failing product based on legitimate criticism.  This is what worries me.

Originally posted by Kien

Gosh. What a lot of replies. I certainly didn't bother to read any of the 300++ replies that preceded mine.

To anyone who actually bothers reading this post, I have three words: BEWARE, BUT HOPE.

I have followed Darkfall's development for a long time. In that time I've seen Aventurine make a lot of outrageous claims: the game has been stable and feature complete for over a year; the game has more content than WoW; naval combat is better than Pirates of the Burning Seas; mounted combat is similar to Mount & Blade; the AI is so good the game debugs itself, etc. The game promises so much, but how can it deliver? Do the developers seriously believe that a short, closed beta is all hat is needed to prepare the game for prime time?

Unless you wish to lose some cash, fast, don't buy this game right off. Wait for the reviews. Wait for a lot of reviews. If the game gets good reviews, I'll be the first person to push you out of line so I can buy a copy. But until then, I'll just shake my head at the fools that rush out to buy this game.

 

PS there was an error in the news article. Darkfall development started in 2001, not 2003. Indeed, the first initial release date was 2003.

No error in the news article.

Just confirmation of what we have been trying to explain to people for awhile now about the development of the game that will be played on January 22nd, 2009.

People can make an arguement for 2001 all they want but the fact is that the current game they are working on started in 2003...5 years of development...

Ill take the word of a developer over forum randos anyday.

And yes this thread was amazingly long and has been kind of forgotten with the release date being announced today.

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by Kien

I have followed Darkfall's development for a long time. In that time I've seen Aventurine make a lot of outrageous claims: the game has been stable and feature complete for over a year; the game has more content than WoW; naval combat is better than Pirates of the Burning Seas; mounted combat is similar to Mount & Blade; the AI is so good the game debugs itself, etc. The game promises so much, but how can it deliver? Do the developers seriously believe that a short, closed beta is all hat is needed to prepare the game for prime time?

Unless you wish to lose some cash, fast, don't buy this game right off. Wait for the reviews. Wait for a lot of reviews. If the game gets good reviews, I'll be the first person to push you out of line so I can buy a copy. But until then, I'll just shake my head at the fools that rush out to buy this game.

Excellent post and good advice.    It has been those outrageous claims made by the develoeprs (and perpetuated by the followers) that is one of the main reasons for the negative reactions of much of the MMORPG community.

How many times have we seen games that promised the sky but utterly failed to keep those promises (Vangaurd, Tabula Rasa, Dark and Light - the list goes on) ?  And instead of learning from that, there are still those who accept every outlandish claim from a developer who has *never* produced a single game. 

Maybe Darkfall *will* deliver on their promises, but that praise should be saved until AFTER they prove themselves.  Praising Aventurine (or even accepting their claims as anything close to fact) is premature and only keep convincing developers they can shovel anything they want out to the community and there will those that just swallow it

PS there was an error in the news article. Darkfall development started in 2001, not 2003. Indeed, the first initial release date was 2003.

No error in the news article.

Just confirmation of what we have been trying to explain to people for awhile now about the development of the game that will be played on January 22nd, 2009.

People can make an arguement for 2001 all they want but the fact is that the current game they are working on started in 2003...5 years of development...

Ill take the word of a developer over forum randos anyday.

Not an error perhaps, but certainly they're playing semantic games.   It might not be the same game, but Darkfall was been in the public eye since 2001 and that's where most people start their clocks.  But semantic games are nothing new unfortunately, esp. because the community lets developers play them instead of calling to the facts.     And if you don't trust a forum rando how about some proof.    

 http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/interviews/darkfall.shtml

Good to hear about the release date, it's like the ending to an epic tale is about to come to a conclusion -one way or another. 

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Originally posted by Dameonk
Do you understand my point?  I WANT Darkfall to succeed.  I'm not even sure if I'll be playing it, but I WANT it to do better than any other game out there.  Do you know why?  So we can get some freaking real MMO games back into this genre!

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