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  downtoearth

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Joined: 2/26/08
Posts: 3704

12/02/08 12:35:36 PM#81
Originally posted by DaveTT

 

I am not waiting for Darkfall anymore, becaus i dont belive it will lunch.

If it will lunch, it will properly lunch late 2009 or 2010.

I think adventurine is a too small company to handel this big game. (sadly)


 

nope

  originalegg

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Joined: 10/09/06
Posts: 1153

Darkfall Releases - February 25th!!! Vaporware trolls = scum

12/02/08 12:36:02 PM#82
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by Briansho
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by berniebear
Originally posted by Golomin

Is "Darkfall" the biggest joke in the MMO Industry?

Ummm.. 1) We don't know it's real. 2) Don't it have to be released in order to be in an "industry". 3) Yes, it is a joke.
 


 

I feel bad for anyone who at this point doesnt think it's real.


 

yea lol at people still trying to use this as ammo against DF.  shows that they have an agenda here...

even the most skeptical of gamers about DF will admit the game is real.  pretty sad to think otherwise.

 


 

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

If anyone should be labeled with your image, it should be those who are still saying its fake...

Try again.

 

Fake = no game.

Vaporware = no release, or release of unplayable game.

Fake =/= Vaporware.


 

Um...ok?

This is just an example of people on this forum waiting for any chance to rehash the same arugement...like saying people say all skeptics are trolls..or all fans think it will be best game ever and beat wow.

If you actually read the above convo imothep...you will see that we are not talking about vaporware at all....it is clear (although apparently you missed it) that we were resonding to someone saying there is a chance its "not real"

I hope you dont try to nit pick so much as to try to argue that "not real" isnt the same as "fake".

Thanks for your clarification though...even though it had nothing to do with what you quoted.

  originalegg

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Joined: 10/09/06
Posts: 1153

Darkfall Releases - February 25th!!! Vaporware trolls = scum

12/02/08 12:37:55 PM#83
Originally posted by DaveTT

 

I am not waiting for Darkfall anymore, becaus i dont belive it will lunch.

If it will lunch, it will properly lunch late 2009 or 2010.

I think adventurine is a too small company to handel this big game. (sadly)


 

Im about to go eat some lunch.  MMMMMMMM....

Who is this adventurine btw?

<3

  xzyax

Novice Member

Joined: 10/02/08
Posts: 2298

12/02/08 1:33:23 PM#84
Originally posted by DaveTT

 

I am not waiting for Darkfall anymore, becaus i dont belive it will lunch.

If it will lunch, it will properly lunch late 2009 or 2010.

I think adventurine is a too small company to handel this big game. (sadly)


 

O.K. I don't normally pick on people with their spelling and grammar... but this one just made me spit water all over my monitor when I read it! 

 

Thanks for the laugh.   And such a short post too... heh. 

  xzyax

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Joined: 10/02/08
Posts: 2298

12/02/08 1:36:25 PM#85

Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by DaveTT

 

I am not waiting for Darkfall anymore, becaus i dont belive it will lunch.

If it will lunch, it will properly lunch late 2009 or 2010.

I think adventurine is a too small company to handel this big game. (sadly)


 

Im about to go eat some lunch.  MMMMMMMM....

Who is this adventurine btw?

<3

Ahh... you beat me to it. 
 

Was thinking the same thing... yeah lunch... don't forget about lunch, gotta have some lunch.   You've got to admire the consistency in spelling it lunch 3 separate times though. 

  kingtommyboy

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Joined: 3/19/06
Posts: 556

12/02/08 1:38:55 PM#86
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy

Mmh I wonder what would happen when this game comes out

so manny people are bashing the game now, but why? It doesn't look that bad and they have interesting features. Maby this game becomes a hit? :)


 

Fear.

 

are you scared?

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waiting for ... nothing..

  originalegg

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Joined: 10/09/06
Posts: 1153

Darkfall Releases - February 25th!!! Vaporware trolls = scum

12/02/08 1:41:44 PM#87
Originally posted by kingtommyboy
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy

Mmh I wonder what would happen when this game comes out

so manny people are bashing the game now, but why? It doesn't look that bad and they have interesting features. Maby this game becomes a hit? :)


 

Fear.

 

are you scared?


 

Im definitely scared that the last hope for a decent pvp/sandbox MMO may not deliver.

Im terrified about the future of humanity after reading some of the DF bashing posts on this forum and thinking about the people behind them.

Others are scared that DF may release well and take subs away from their guild/game that is also in the pvp genre (WAR, AoC) so they come here in some sad attempt to try and stop that.

Im thrilled to see what this forum will be like when this game releases.  Either way, its going to be a blast.

  Xantheous

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Joined: 7/10/05
Posts: 121

12/02/08 1:48:39 PM#88
Originally posted by kingtommyboy
riginally posted by kingtommyboy

Mmh I wonder what would happen when this game comes out

so manny people are bashing the game now, but why? It doesn't look that bad and they have interesting features. Maby this game becomes a hit? :)

 


Lets see, 8 (going on 9) years of production, a graphics engine that is just..meh, no name/no reputation EU corp (No offence EU but Eve is the best game you guys got IMO), no solid amount of time beta/server stress testing yet they are talking about putting it on the shelves already. I could go on....but why, they fuel the fire for me

 

EDIT: I have always said it. Gamers are fickle. They better get that shit straight because no one I know is going to put up with a lame ass game for long.

 

  xzyax

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Joined: 10/02/08
Posts: 2298

12/02/08 1:50:54 PM#89
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy

Mmh I wonder what would happen when this game comes out

so manny people are bashing the game now, but why? It doesn't look that bad and they have interesting features. Maby this game becomes a hit? :)


 

Fear.

 

are you scared?


 

Im definitely scared that the last hope for a decent pvp/sandbox MMO may not deliver.

Im terrified about the future of humanity after reading some of the DF bashing posts on this forum and thinking about the people behind them.

Others are scared that DF may release well and take subs away from their guild/game that is also in the pvp genre (WAR, AoC) so they come here in some sad attempt to try and stop that.

Im thrilled to see what this forum will be like when this game releases.  Either way, its going to be a blast.

I'm sure the mods of this forum are anxiously awaiting that time as well. 
 

But then again... they may retire first so perhaps not. 

 

 

 

 

Relax all... it was a joke!   

We are allowed those from time to time on this forum... right? 

  EvolvedMonky

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Joined: 8/25/08
Posts: 381

12/02/08 2:24:45 PM#90
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy

Mmh I wonder what would happen when this game comes out

so manny people are bashing the game now, but why? It doesn't look that bad and they have interesting features. Maby this game becomes a hit? :)


 

Fear.

 

are you scared?


 

Im definitely scared that the last hope for a decent pvp/sandbox MMO may not deliver.

Im terrified about the future of humanity after reading some of the DF bashing posts on this forum and thinking about the people behind them.

Others are scared that DF may release well and take subs away from their guild/game that is also in the pvp genre (WAR, AoC) so they come here in some sad attempt to try and stop that.

Im thrilled to see what this forum will be like when this game releases.  Either way, its going to be a blast.


 

AoC mayyyybe but when i left those that stayed seem to like the graphics or IP. Most pvp groups seemed to have said a big F you funcom with a I quit after it.

WAR hmm doubt it.  Quick easy instant pvp seems to be there fan base. 

I would say EvE is the only one who would worry and is DFs real compitition.  I think DF will pull out with a lil more subs than them due to it being fantasy.

But DF Devs would have to deliver on there end seeing as EvE is like the wow of sandboxs. (other than popularity in there market EvE has nothing in common with WoW)

 

Release is going to be fun. If DF will be a good game or not I dont know. But I know for a fact 100% DF will not meet the expectations of a handful of fans.  When someone who follows a game starts to foam at the mouth you know they have hype fever. And the games release is like the cops shutting down the local crack dealer. 7 years 7 yers then bam no more hype. Withdrawl is a hell of a thing.

Fun times fun times.

  originalegg

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Joined: 10/09/06
Posts: 1153

Darkfall Releases - February 25th!!! Vaporware trolls = scum

12/02/08 2:30:33 PM#91
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy
Originally posted by originalegg
Originally posted by kingtommyboy

Mmh I wonder what would happen when this game comes out

so manny people are bashing the game now, but why? It doesn't look that bad and they have interesting features. Maby this game becomes a hit? :)


 

Fear.

 

are you scared?


 

Im definitely scared that the last hope for a decent pvp/sandbox MMO may not deliver.

Im terrified about the future of humanity after reading some of the DF bashing posts on this forum and thinking about the people behind them.

Others are scared that DF may release well and take subs away from their guild/game that is also in the pvp genre (WAR, AoC) so they come here in some sad attempt to try and stop that.

Im thrilled to see what this forum will be like when this game releases.  Either way, its going to be a blast.


 

AoC mayyyybe but when i left those that stayed seem to like the graphics or IP. Most pvp groups seemed to have said a big F you funcom with a I quit after it.

WAR hmm doubt it.  Quick easy instant pvp seems to be there fan base. 

I would say EvE is the only one who would worry and is DFs real compitition.  I think DF will pull out with a lil more subs than them due to it being fantasy.

But DF Devs would have to deliver on there end seeing as EvE is like the wow of sandboxs. (other than popularity in there market EvE has nothing in common with WoW)

 

Release is going to be fun. If DF will be a good game or not I dont know. But I know for a fact 100% DF will not meet the expectations of a handful of fans.  When someone who follows a game starts to foam at the mouth you know they have hype fever. And the games release is like the cops shutting down the local crack dealer. 7 years 7 yers then bam no more hype. Withdrawl is a hell of a thing.

Fun times fun times.


 

I see what you are saying...and i certainly dont think will cripple either pvp game since they are certainly different types of pvp when you compare it to what DF is based on.

However there are certainly enough pvp guilds in WAR and AoC that are open to the idea and have an eye on DF.  I can guarentee it actually just off of the guilds I know besides my own that play those games.

I would argue that DF would take more people away from WAR or Aoc than it would EVE if it releases well.  Primarily because of the number of subs the game has....but if you step away from asbolute numbers and talk about relative numbers, i think it is pretty close.   I think that the fantasy genre is one point that you cant ignore when comparing all these games.  Yes EVE is a sanbox like DF, but it also is not set in a fantasy world, and that may effect it.

We'll see soon enough.

  pewtpewt

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/19/08
Posts: 115

12/02/08 3:50:39 PM#92

I would rather have Aventurine be the "outcasts" of the gaming industry. It means they wont produce another crappy, level-based, same old boring garbage game. Because it appears that the rest of the MMO industry (Except for JGE, we have yet to see how that comes out...skill based twitch combat? nice) likes to make the exact same games but with different abilities, classes, storyline, and a few "new" features (which are pretty lame anyway)

DARKFALL 09!

Apparently 08 didn't make it :(

Sorros of Forumfall.

  Forumfall

Novice Member

Joined: 10/01/08
Posts: 583

12/02/08 6:31:18 PM#93

Darkfall is a running gag. Anyway I think alot of us are enjoying this 'forum entertainment' more then any of the current mmos. So we should all say thank you to Aventurine.

 

  siftified

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Joined: 8/23/04
Posts: 261

I miss Darktide :(

12/02/08 6:41:43 PM#94
Originally posted by Xantheous
Originally posted by kingtommyboy
riginally posted by kingtommyboy

Mmh I wonder what would happen when this game comes out

so manny people are bashing the game now, but why? It doesn't look that bad and they have interesting features. Maby this game becomes a hit? :)

 


Lets see, 8 (going on 9) years of production, a graphics engine that is just..meh, no name/no reputation EU corp (No offence EU but Eve is the best game you guys got IMO), no solid amount of time beta/server stress testing yet they are talking about putting it on the shelves already. I could go on....but why, they fuel the fire for me

 

EDIT: I have always said it. Gamers are fickle. They better get that shit straight because no one I know is going to put up with a lame ass game for long.

 


 

No offence to the intelligence of the poster, but EvE is possibly the best PvP/niche game in existence at the moment. If the EU can keep developing games of that quality, then that's where I'll be looking.

What does the US really have in terms of MMO's at the moment? WoW is watered down with piss garbage. WAR is half decent, but still pretty lame in terms of PvP, and AOC, well we all know about AOC

  JohnCreed

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Joined: 11/18/08
Posts: 67

 
12/04/08 1:18:06 AM#95
Originally posted by runeofmagic

It`s funny how the noobs like you think DF is the biggest joke in mmorpg history.You were still sucking on mom`s tit when Dark&Light was around or you would not think DF weas that bad.

 

So it'll be the second biggest joke. You fail at making a point.

  Dameonk

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Joined: 3/30/04
Posts: 1928

12/04/08 1:39:02 AM#96
Originally posted by Antarious

I suppose I'm confused and I read this because I'm bored.. Not really someone that follows Darkfall.

However, you basicly are freaking out and saying that Darkfall has the same issues as every other MMO.

Big name MMO's done by well known developers and/or companies... all have the same exact issues.  Somehow you make it seem unique to Darkfall...

Or even that its a mystery these things can/do happen.

What game lately launched with all its features in perfect working condition?

The biggest joke imho would be the companies that spend 70 to 100 million to release a toilet fish... A small developer with almost no budget that releases a game in the same state for much less would be less of a joke...

One would think.

Game could be vaporware.. I'm not a share holder, an employee and I haven't spent any money on a product that isn't out yet.  So I'm not sure exactly why it would be much of a concern for me if it was vapor ware.

The other things you listed as I've said.. are pretty standard for an MMO. 

Unless you can point me to the game that launched with all the advertised features, didn't cut classes or cities ... or put stuff off to an expansion and most importantly.. launched in perfect working order.

I remember some really good launched (like DAoC) but there was still many broken/unfinished things in the game.

 

This is almost a valid point, Antarious.  There's just one flaw.  Tasos (the lead developer for Darkfall) has stated in the last few months that the game is "feature complete" and will be released after open beta that ends in December.

I'm not saying the game will release "feature complete" (whatever the hell that means to Tasos) by the end of December, but if it doesn't, I will have lost the last point of respect that I had for Aventurine and won't even bother following the game any more.

"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."

  IAmMMO

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Joined: 5/17/08
Posts: 1183

12/04/08 2:38:42 AM#97

 Yup, they're certainly giving the impression they're hiding something. They're behaving like Funcom did leading up to AOC release and that makes people suspect. A dev proud of their product that has all they promised within it would have waved the NDA this close to their supposed release. If they've hit snags, how hard is it to just inform the community it looking likely the beta testing will go on into 09? If the dev are dong this to try build hype it will back fire if they carry on like this.

  rav3n2

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Posts: 1620

"Only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato

12/04/08 7:03:52 AM#98
Originally posted by Dameonk
Originally posted by Antarious

I suppose I'm confused and I read this because I'm bored.. Not really someone that follows Darkfall.

However, you basicly are freaking out and saying that Darkfall has the same issues as every other MMO.

Big name MMO's done by well known developers and/or companies... all have the same exact issues.  Somehow you make it seem unique to Darkfall...

Or even that its a mystery these things can/do happen.

What game lately launched with all its features in perfect working condition?

The biggest joke imho would be the companies that spend 70 to 100 million to release a toilet fish... A small developer with almost no budget that releases a game in the same state for much less would be less of a joke...

One would think.

Game could be vaporware.. I'm not a share holder, an employee and I haven't spent any money on a product that isn't out yet.  So I'm not sure exactly why it would be much of a concern for me if it was vapor ware.

The other things you listed as I've said.. are pretty standard for an MMO. 

Unless you can point me to the game that launched with all the advertised features, didn't cut classes or cities ... or put stuff off to an expansion and most importantly.. launched in perfect working order.

I remember some really good launched (like DAoC) but there was still many broken/unfinished things in the game.

 

This is almost a valid point, Antarious.  There's just one flaw.  Tasos (the lead developer for Darkfall) has stated in the last few months that the game is "feature complete" and will be released after open beta that ends in December.

I'm not saying the game will release "feature complete" (whatever the hell that means to Tasos) by the end of December, but if it doesn't, I will have lost the last point of respect that I had for Aventurine and won't even bother following the game any more.

 

Touche!

 

Waiting for the December "feature complete" release of DFO.

  OpiumKing

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12/06/08 7:10:09 AM#99
Originally posted by rav3n2

Waiting for the December "feature complete" release of DFO.


 

Looks like you'll be disappointed.

  dabbi12

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12/06/08 7:14:49 AM#100
Originally posted by JohnCreed
Originally posted by daarco

Maybe they hit some problems during closed beta? They need more time to fix it, its a small company.

And thats not a opinion.

 

And yes! DF is a joke in the MMO Industry.

 

Yeah which is understandable. The problem is they miss dates and don't tell us, they ignore the questions entirely and pretend that what they said before never existed and we're not allowed to bring it up. They expect us to be sheeps and not say anything. Users like myself who have supported them all of these years are part of the problem but even a lot of us are starting to have issues with Aventurine now that the lies are piling on.

 

What happens when the game comes out and there are features missing, bugs, or exploits and we're sitting there posting about it and the moderators ban us and the devs ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist?

 

Why in gods name do you need their sorry? Stop the fucking whining, play or don't play, and yes it IS that simple.

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