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11/29/08 3:49:22 PM#41
Blade and soul is next gen-- dodge--- turn-- depends on what position you get hit from reflects the damage--- needed ability to run on walls and trees to get to certain areas-- low lvl need to walk around to find a bridge-- skilled players can learn how to jump the river- I mean jesus just look at this video
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Waiting for: Aion |
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11/29/08 3:49:29 PM#42
Guys, the op has gone. Let this thread die. Currently Playing Random shizzle!
Waiting on TERA, GW2, TSW |
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Wizardry
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Joined: 8/27/04
Remove quests,bosses and trigger them back in is called Dynamic events now?lol..i think not. |
11/29/08 3:58:28 PM#43
Originally posted by coldfreedom You want to see something that may be ACTUAL next gen,perhaps NCSOFT's REAL developers can show you. Head over to the actual developers of lineage2,they are now running their own company ,with lots of cash to fund it.The company is called Bluehole studio and they claim their combat system will blow away the stuff we see now.Everything that is modernized will be in there next game...code named S1. It is funny that most of the original developers of these hit games are not even with those companies anymore,including the guys who made WOW. I think we have to wait until 2010 until we see the REAL new tech games come out,because they all just started developing ,using the Unreal 3 Tech engine,so it will take some time. I am not sure ,but i think Aion is also using unreal tech no?Even if it is using ue2,it is still a very good engine ,capable of doing a lot,but is for sure limited in quality behind the UE3.I am not sure who is running the AION project and weather they have any qualifications or skills from previous work IDK,all up in the air. http://www.youtube.com/user/Napolianboo#p/u/15/rCYLLQCNc1w |
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Pezhead
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Joined: 9/03/08
If it ain''t got killing, it ain''t a real video game. |
11/30/08 12:47:28 AM#44
Silly, Aion is using the CryEngine from the game farcry, no to be confused with the CryEngine2 used in Crysis, or the Dunia engine in Farcry 2. It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay. |
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11/30/08 11:07:40 AM#45
'Next gen' is a marketing gimmick. That's it. For the rest of the explanation see Pezhead's post on the previous page... FPS does not equal MMORPG, but MMOFPS. Companies have tried to merge them, but so far it has weaksauce results. Personally I have no interest in an MMOFPS, I want an MMORPG. Which Aion might do very well. (,,,)=^__^=(,,,)Game Latte Vidcast |
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Wizardry
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Joined: 8/27/04
Remove quests,bosses and trigger them back in is called Dynamic events now?lol..i think not. |
12/05/08 12:40:30 PM#46
Originally posted by Cynthe I agree 100% on the FPS part,they do not belong together. I have never heard of this cry engine,good thing it is not the CRYSIS pile of garbage,that engine would lag a PC 10 years from now.Not sure how to take the CRY engine,if it is there own does that mean they were too cheap to buy a better one?or does it mean they were passionate in taking there time to develop there own engine ,one that could give them more of what they are looking for.How much time have the yactually put into the development would give a better picture.It would take at least 2 years just to make a decent game engine,not a great one. Without NCSOFT telling us why they chose that engine,it is impossible to know. NEXT gen DOES mean a lot,just look at that video posted on WEBZEN's site.That is HIGH TECH at it's best and any game coming out with that realism and looks could steal a ton of subscribers from any game.It is not always a gimmick,but i agree it usually is :(. http://www.youtube.com/user/Napolianboo#p/u/15/rCYLLQCNc1w |
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12/05/08 5:47:58 PM#47
Originally posted by coldfreedom
Next Gen does not equal just being different. Real time combat is not next gen it is a different type of game. Personally RPGs are stat driven combat games. FPS games are a different type of game. I would not play an RPG that was a FPS because I don't care for FPS games. FPS is NOT next gen it has been around for a long time. FPS is just a different type of game. Next gen to me would be a more dynamic world that evolves over time. More sphisticated crafting and econmonic models. A more fleshed out world that actually changes. Maybe even environmental changes or things where players can impact the world in some dynamic way. In other words make the world more real. Make mobs more intelligent. How about mobs that move around in an intelligent way. Mobs that have motivations and maybe even stalk players or lure players in intelligent ways. To many "next gen" games think next gen is cooler graphics, or fps style combat which is totally missing the root of what an RPG game is really about. The story, the lore, interacting with the world, etc... I look at games like warhammer which or AoC both of which have dumped the world and mob ai to create a framework for a game that is mostly only about pvp. Mobs are not intelligent in fact they are less intelligent then wow or even eq for that matter. Games are going up with graphics and whiz bang features but becoming stupider and stupider and completely missing the core. Anyway I'm sure this is off topic and doesn't address Aion at all. I'd say it is to early to really comment on Aion and what it will be till we can actually play it. I think the only next gen game or maybe I'll say the last next gen game was star wars galaxies. Yeah I know it has been screwed up but when it was released it had many next gen features. Albeit a bunch of bugs and some problems but none the less it was next gen. It is kinda sad nobody has taking the thing SWG implemented and ever brought them forward into newer more modern games maybe done better... Oh well I'm sure sometime in the future someone will get a clue....
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12/05/08 5:52:22 PM#48
Originally posted by babac
Well that really reminds me of lineage 2 with ff like combat.... Flying looks neat but really it does just look like graphics upgrade.... So I really hope there is more to it. From looking at that video I'd have to think this is a free to play game. I mean what makes it better then say Perfect World?
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12/05/08 6:08:47 PM#49
Originally posted by ethion
Well that really reminds me of lineage 2 with ff like combat.... Flying looks neat but really it does just look like graphics upgrade.... So I really hope there is more to it. From looking at that video I'd have to think this is a free to play game. I mean what makes it better then say Perfect World?
It looks better than Warhammer online, WoW, EQ, Vanguard, why would it look like F2P considering how ugly most of the P2P games are? |
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12/05/08 7:16:21 PM#50
Originally posted by Pezhead
I agree with you. Lately it seems that when people talk about skill it's fast fingers the only thing that matters. I think MMORPGs are a lot more than this. |
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12/05/08 10:09:40 PM#51
Originally posted by Ephimero
It looks better than Warhammer online, WoW, EQ, Vanguard, why would it look like F2P considering how ugly most of the P2P games are?
I'm judging based on the video in the link above. The graphics look ok but not significantly different then the game I mentioned. Also I didn't see anything that looked particularly compelling in that video. I think lineage 2 actually looked better and the game looks on par with perfect world which is a f2p MMO...
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12/05/08 11:09:04 PM#52
Ya know, Aion my not seem next-gen to you, but who needs a next gen MMORPG? What we really need these days is an MMORPG that is fun, not NEXT GEN bull shit, come on man |
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12/06/08 12:12:25 AM#53
So the OP is complaining about a MMORPG because it's a RPG? If people don't like RPGs then don't play RPGs. Do people go to RTS game forums and try to get them to change to FPSs too? |
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12/06/08 6:58:59 PM#54
Originally posted by coldfreedom
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12/07/08 12:31:47 AM#55
Originally posted by achesoma
RTS evolves, there are plenty of rts games that are a significant leap forward in terms of gameplay from a few years ago, mmorpg seems to be stuck in time thus the complaints. I don't think any other genre is quite so stagnant, even driving games have evolved more. |
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12/08/08 10:55:49 AM#56
Originally posted by Blodpls
RTS evolves, there are plenty of rts games that are a significant leap forward in terms of gameplay from a few years ago, mmorpg seems to be stuck in time thus the complaints. I don't think any other genre is quite so stagnant, even driving games have evolved more. That's not really true. MMOs have changed quite significantly over the last 9 years and they just became mainstream in the last 3 years or so. Most people were not even on the internet until about 7-8 years ago. The point isn't about genre progression it's about trying to change RPGs into FPSs. RPGs and FPSs are two completely different genres. Thus my original point. Do people typically try to turn RTSs into FPSs? Not that I've ever seen.
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12/08/08 1:17:16 PM#57
Thinking FPS style combat should become standard in MMOs is crazy when not everyone likes or plays FPS games. AMD FX-4100 Zambezi (OC at 4.3GHZ ATM) |
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12/08/08 1:24:30 PM#58
My o my that fire ball really molested you when you were a child, it explains why you think CAPS make your arguments seem more interesting. Anyway many mmo players dislike the add state you have to be to be good at fps. Skill in a mmo has more to do with knowing what to do, when to do it. Trying to turn mmos into somthing where you'll have to bunny hop to avoid those evil fireballs is like telling footbal players that to make the game better they are gonna have to use their feet instead of their hands while keepign all the other rules like they are. Would that make the game better. Now its time for you to bunny hop back to cs. I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long. |
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12/08/08 2:57:36 PM#59
Originally posted by Korvenus
well said. BELIEVE it or not some people don't like FPS games but love RPG games!! I've say that move PvP players like FPS cause they want to compete with other players. So it's all about player skill and outdoing other players. Where I'd suggest PvE players prefer RPG game styles because they are less about killing other players and more about progressing through every more challenging content and seeing their characters grow in skill and ability and competing by their achievements or buy helping their team. Two very different types of player orientations... I think some PvP people think that an RPG would be a cool vehicle for FPS but the problem is that for an FPS to work it needs to be balance. Unfortunately an RPG will never be balanced and player skill will always be secondary to character development until such time as there is no character development and then we are back to being a pure fps game. Ultimately in an RPG style game two lvl 50 character will not be equal. One will be new and have beginner gear and one will be a god with rare gear of the gods and there won't be much competiion unless the better equiped guy is sleeping he will kill the lesser geared guy no matter what.
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12/11/08 6:50:34 PM#60
What I find fascinating is that no one seems to have a solid idea of what 'next gen' actually means. So far, it has been used as a marketing gimmick that, so far, has spawned games that fail. Is next gen graphics? Playstyle? Concepts? Is the term even definable? The game industry cannot and will not make changes due to the risk involved. Every possible "next gen" game in terms of gameplay has been shot down by the masses, or strangled by irresponsible executive decisions. Personally, I don't think we will ever have a true "next gen" game until we are playing with holographics or something similar. So sit down and shut up |
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) . Or Graphics, Starcraft uses 2D sprites while Homeworld uses a 3D graphic engine, therefore, even though Homeworld came out a mere year and a half after SC, Homeworld is next gen(was). WoW has a skill based combat system, Age of Conan uses directional attacks, therefore AoC is next gen. Does a game need every single one of these to be next gen? I wouldn't think so, and yet those of you crying about the lack of quality MMOs, and singing about your "tactical skill" in shooters, have you considered RTS? Would not a MMORTS be totally awesome with hundreds of thousands of troops controlled by several hundred players fighting it out on the battlefield? OH WAIT! There's no twitch involved, sorry, despite the fact that you must use strategy, tactics and teamwork, it CAN'T be a skill game because there's no TWITCH! 
