aion is not a next gen mmo title. why? well the gameplay is same old generic typical mmo out there. you still get hit by a fireball that you have no option of dodging it in real-time with human-skill.

i only call a mmo next gen is when it is innovative with true real-time that can dodge a fireball.

i can almost call chronicles of spellborn a next gen title since it seems real-time and can dodge melee attack with real human-skill involve. no idea if we can dodge a fireball though but anyway the crappy graphic is holding it back from calling it a next gen title.

age of conan is almost be called next gen too but sadly not. it has real-time attack button but you still cant dodge a fireball right? and the ultimate hold back is the graphic.. sur ethe graphic is advance with all that hdr lighting ect or whatever it is but the overall visual is still look like neverwinter nights 2 even in dx10. it wont change the graphic style.

next gen mmo must have both innovating department, true real-time and graphic. aion is just a souped up lineage2 with great graphic and a blend of wow controls. super lineage2. gameplay still the same generic mmo out there. cant dodge fireball blah blah no human-skill involve. only stat involve. mmo need to stop making stat level based and make it human-skill based. cause whoever high level win is no fun.

MMO WITH STAT BASED LEVEL BASED IS ENCOURAGING CURRUPTCY...... PLAYERS WILL START ILLEGALLY/LEGALLY BUYING IN-GAME CURRENCY TO RAISE STAT AND LEVEL UP FASTER.  so do you want to race each other with this kind of currupcy system? hell no i wouldnt even play. the people that buys in-game currency is jus dont notice the manipulation  system.

MMO WITH PURE HUMAN-SKILL BASED, TRUE REAL-TIME, GREAT GRAPHIC.... THAT IS NEXT GEN MMO.

from the creator of aion.. from the creator of lineage2.. called blade and soul will be a true next gen mmo. innovating looking with that console feel and unparalleled graphic will surely make you drool all over.

mmorpg is getting obsolete cause its keep on bringing same old crap on the table.

WAIT FOR NEXT GEN MMO.....

..........UNTILL THEN STICK WITH FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.

honesty.... what is really next gen lol.... i think the next gen crap all around is a lot of marketing stuff... now they named the few new ideas this days next gen... but 10 years ago or 15 years ago u could see a lot of new ideas and the term next gen was rarely used...

But is Aion fun? Will people (besides yourself) enjoy playing it?  If so, it succeeds, regardless of whether it meets your narrow definitions of a next gen MMO. (that would use old school FPS combat mechanics)

So? The game looks pretty weak also to people also so whats your point?

OP: Your not talking about a RPG but a shooter or action/adv game.  RPGs are about the stats, its not about player skill but  how you build your character and player strategy.

And your right Aion isnt next gen. Been checking it out and it looks like a korean WoW. With a flying gimmick. One trick pony and all that.

Thing is Aion has never hidden the fact that it is the same as other mmorpgs, it states it on its homepage.

Your saying higher lvl should not = win and i think having a slightly better ping or ablility to twitch your hands a bit faster should not = win.

Pure twitch gaming has its place but its not in rpgs, char stats and skills are what rpgs are about without them you just have an action grinder or a fps and there is no way i am paying a monthy fee for a game to be ganked by someone who thinks he is a L33T d00d cus he got a bit better twitch skills than me, at least with lvls, skills and stats i got a chance against people like that.

The moral of the story is everyone has a differant idea of fun and devs are going to go with the mass market idea of fun not the minority.

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you plan on creating limitations (such as AoC's or Tcos's) you can't do anything similar to real time combat. The technologies aren't ready yet, so I'd rather have non-next gen massive battles than next-gen instanced experience.

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you plan on creating limitations (such as AoC's or Tcos's) you can't do anything similar to real time combat. The technologies aren't ready yet, so I'd rather have non-next gen massive battles than next-gen instanced experience.

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.

Originally posted by coldfreedom

aion is not a next gen mmo title. why? well the gameplay is same old generic typical mmo out there. you still get hit by a fireball that you have no option of dodging it in real-time with human-skill.

i only call a mmo next gen is when it is innovative with true real-time that can dodge a fireball.

i can almost call chronicles of spellborn a next gen title since it seems real-time and can dodge melee attack with real human-skill involve. no idea if we can dodge a fireball though but anyway the crappy graphic is holding it back from calling it a next gen title.

age of conan is almost be called next gen too but sadly not. it has real-time attack button but you still cant dodge a fireball right? and the ultimate hold back is the graphic.. sur ethe graphic is advance with all that hdr lighting ect or whatever it is but the overall visual is still look like neverwinter nights 2 even in dx10. it wont change the graphic style.

next gen mmo must have both innovating department, true real-time and graphic. aion is just a souped up lineage2 with great graphic and a blend of wow controls. super lineage2. gameplay still the same generic mmo out there. cant dodge fireball blah blah no human-skill involve. only stat involve. mmo need to stop making stat level based and make it human-skill based. cause whoever high level win is no fun.

 

MMO WITH STAT BASED LEVEL BASED IS ENCOURAGING CURRUPTCY...... PLAYERS WILL START ILLEGALLY/LEGALLY BUYING IN-GAME CURRENCY TO RAISE STAT AND LEVEL UP FASTER.  so do you want to race each other with this kind of currupcy system? hell no i wouldnt even play. the people that buys in-game currency is jus dont notice the manipulation  system.

MMO WITH PURE HUMAN-SKILL BASED, TRUE REAL-TIME, GREAT GRAPHIC.... THAT IS NEXT GEN MMO.

from the creator of aion.. from the creator of lineage2.. called blade and soul will be a true next gen mmo. innovating looking with that console feel and unparalleled graphic will surely make you drool all over.

 

mmorpg is getting obsolete cause its keep on bringing same old crap on the table.

 

WAIT FOR NEXT GEN MMO.....

 

..........UNTILL THEN STICK WITH FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.

                         In the eye of businessmen, the so called TITLE '' innovative and true real- time '' combat is squashed to petty. What they exactly thirst for is '' a purse full of gold and silver coins '' , the more subz ,the more players, the more money racked in their bank account ... for them the game LABELLED '' innovative and ... ''  is not nessesarily a GAUGE of success, but REVENUE for sure is.

                         What is the point of trying to score a Title with an empty stomach ?? Look at FUNCOM , do they want to be called '' innovative and true real-time combat'' ?? Nay, they want ya to come back and resub instead.. whether ya call their a piece of crap..

                         Your point is fascinating but financial profit is priority.

if i were to make my own mmo i would have japanese/korean art style example lineage2, devil may cry. it wil be 100% real-time with 100% human-skill based involved. you can dodge a fireball! using your humnan-skill!

there will be no level system.  for the people that play more gets to be rewarded with extra optional skill slot and extra optional magic element slot. example everybody default has 2 elemental slot which is fire and water but if you play more and pked many players... you will be rewarded with lighting, an extra elemantal slot at your disposal. your new element obtained will not be overly do more damage... it jus an effect. lighting will stun and do not do more damage than water.

another rewarded to players who kill many players will archieve a stat customize. which is something like a +5 moving speed and -5 strt.

overall my mmorpg will not encourage curruption from both players and the make of the game. no manipulation involve. no tricks. just pure fun, pure gameplay. no work feeling, nothing but fun.  players is all equal but you have very wide play-style customization without being overpowered.

pvping pking many players will earn you archievement and extra slot of powerups. at the beginning of the game you can just go kick some ass in a massively land wide world. no level system. you can still do pve and quests. dungeons will be instance like mabinogi where theres a boss at the end of the dungeon. you and your party will crawl to the end and beat the boss.. once beat it will show cutscenes and cinematic as your reward and extra disposal pvp slot.

my game focus on pvp. much content on pvp. no level system. no need to grind jus to level up and pk your enemy with your high level status.... when you can pk them with your own pure human-skill and feel good.

anyone can attack each other at anywhere and anytime. a fixed rule is avalible like duel mode pvp where no one can interfere. party battle, guild battle. the world is default a royal rumble or call it deatmatch in fps.

pking each other gets loot from each other. like clothing, accessories ect.. note clothing and stuff will not raise your stat so be assure that it will not be whoever got better clothing wins. thsi game is all about your own human-skill not equipment. also all weapons will have its own unique feature up and down on each blah blah

my game will be 2.99 monthly fee. free trial download are avalible for 2 days limit. after 2 days you will not have access. buddy key are avalible too from the retail box set. 1 buddy key in each box.  will be 4 days llimit.

mmorpg does not need level system if they really wanted to.

so everybody go roam the world of "no name yet" and start pwning each other using your human-skill now!

ps. sorry about the sloppy writing. and feel free to have y idea everyone as im just a kid that wont make any game.

Originally posted by coldfreedom

aion is not a next gen mmo title. why? well the gameplay is same old generic typical mmo out there. you still get hit by a fireball that you have no option of dodging it in real-time with human-skill.

i only call a mmo next gen is when it is innovative with true real-time that can dodge a fireball.

i can almost call chronicles of spellborn a next gen title since it seems real-time and can dodge melee attack with real human-skill involve. no idea if we can dodge a fireball though but anyway the crappy graphic is holding it back from calling it a next gen title.

age of conan is almost be called next gen too but sadly not. it has real-time attack button but you still cant dodge a fireball right? and the ultimate hold back is the graphic.. sur ethe graphic is advance with all that hdr lighting ect or whatever it is but the overall visual is still look like neverwinter nights 2 even in dx10. it wont change the graphic style.

next gen mmo must have both innovating department, true real-time and graphic. aion is just a souped up lineage2 with great graphic and a blend of wow controls. super lineage2. gameplay still the same generic mmo out there. cant dodge fireball blah blah no human-skill involve. only stat involve. mmo need to stop making stat level based and make it human-skill based. cause whoever high level win is no fun.

 

MMO WITH STAT BASED LEVEL BASED IS ENCOURAGING CURRUPTCY...... PLAYERS WILL START ILLEGALLY/LEGALLY BUYING IN-GAME CURRENCY TO RAISE STAT AND LEVEL UP FASTER.  so do you want to race each other with this kind of currupcy system? hell no i wouldnt even play. the people that buys in-game currency is jus dont notice the manipulation  system.

MMO WITH PURE HUMAN-SKILL BASED, TRUE REAL-TIME, GREAT GRAPHIC.... THAT IS NEXT GEN MMO.

from the creator of aion.. from the creator of lineage2.. called blade and soul will be a true next gen mmo. innovating looking with that console feel and unparalleled graphic will surely make you drool all over.

 

mmorpg is getting obsolete cause its keep on bringing same old crap on the table.

 

WAIT FOR NEXT GEN MMO.....

 

..........UNTILL THEN STICK WITH FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.

What Amazes me is that you were even looking into this game or Any MMo for that matter to find these so called inovative skills? So let's all be able to Dodge Fireballs....well there goes the mage class because this is what they rely on ranged attacks, so now that every 1 can dodge fireballs thus making the Mage class useless what next?, Rangers? if you can dodge a fireball then surely you can dodge an Arrow right? well let's now get rid of the Ranger cause i sure as hell dont want to play a class where my Main skills just get dodged and then i get a beat down because some Plate mail claded Warrior that weighs half a tonne just dodged my Arrow that is approximately travelling at 300+ miles per hour....this is just a stupid idea lol.

Now one would think that if you are going to try a game you would atleast do the slightest bit of research on that game so you atleast knew what you were going to be playing, now if you done this then you would have known 1: it never stated to be Next gen 2: you would have realized it was gonna be like most other MMO's out there, Or what i should be asking is did you actually try this game? in order to come up with this statement or are you just another one of the many that like to spin a yarn based on other rediculous post just like yours?

if it is the latter it is good to see that ppl still dont have anything of decent merit to flame this game about, if it is not and you have tried the game and found out it was no different to the other MMO's on the market then i am sorry that you did not take the Initiative to do some research (which by the way is not that hard ) to get some info on the game before trying it, could have saved yourself from having to write this post.

My time in game seen alot of difference compared to other MMO's, this game does actually require some player skill, you can not just spam away on 1 skill in this game and expect to survive, it requires tactics, you need to hit them right skills at them right times or else .....back to respawn point. Finally a game Where the Healer is going to play a crucial part in game, no more of being able to solo your way to End game it is just not going to happen in Aion. Im not even going to go into a Rant about all the Features this game has to offer and trust me there a few innovative little treats that you wont find in other titles, so i say again do some Research in Future and you wont be dissapointed, there is more than enough Info on the net regarding Aion it should not be that hard a task to find it.

Originally posted by coldfreedom

 

WAIT FOR NEXT GEN MMO.....

 

..........UNTILL THEN STICK WITH FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.

Are you saying you want an MMORPG with FPS combat? That's just a First Person Shooter, with a lot of shooters.

Honestly, when I play Battlefield 2142 or Call of Duty, there are plenty of people to shoot me, and plenty of people to shoot.

I don't think adding more shooters makes the game any better.

We dont' have to wait for the next gen of First Person Shooters. The FPS games are already here, and they are already fun to play.

I have no idea what you're waiting on, but it's not an MMORPG.

RPG doesn't mean FPS. Duh.

Its a shame how people who do not like a game will take out time to post negative things about. When will you people understand that only your little small niche crowed is screaming for Innovation. Dont get me wrong, I think inovation is good thing but I dont think thats the problem that we have with MMOs. We dont need inovation, what we need is a MMO that polished and fun to play. When was the last time we had one of those?

If you say the next gen mmo is going to be a FPS / mmorpg hybred then i'm gonna have to pass on that. Playing Heretic II in a mmo enviroment sounds lame.

Show me a game out there that combines the two, and I will show you a game that will fail.

You cannot bring real time combat in an enviroment that has massive amounts of people fighting in one area at the same time. Dream all you want but Its just not gonna work.

Originally posted by coldfreedom

if i were to make my own mmo i would have japanese/korean art style example lineage2, devil may cry. it wil be 100% real-time with 100% human-skill based involved. you can dodge a fireball! using your humnan-skill!

Similar to GunZ online, soldier front, MMOFPS . did it succeed? no.

 

there will be no level system.  for the people that play more gets to be rewarded with extra optional skill slot and extra optional magic element slot. example everybody default has 2 elemental slot which is fire and water but if you play more and pked many players... you will be rewarded with lighting, an extra elemantal slot at your disposal. your new element obtained will not be overly do more damage... it jus an effect. lighting will stun and do not do more damage than water.

No variation? do you think people will be satisfied with just ballistic-dodge-able magic? If lightning can hit someone 100% then whats the point having the ballistic type in the first place. even with  more variation to spell (which, unfortunately, only limited to self buff, debuff (ballistic too?), ballistic damage, self-heal, aoe) basically something similar to TES : Oblivion, people will at most use only 2-3 spells and spam it. because all other spell is just the same, ballistic.

 

another rewarded to players who kill many players will archieve a stat customize. which is something like a +5 moving speed and -5 strt.

overall my mmorpg will not encourage curruption from both players and the make of the game. no manipulation involve. no tricks. just pure fun, pure gameplay. no work feeling, nothing but fun.  players is all equal but you have very wide play-style customization without being overpowered.

how can you possibly limit corruption and maintain equality with latency and gold seller (impossible to get rid of them). trust me, no one want to be equal. people want to be stronger than the others!

pvping pking many players will earn you archievement and extra slot of powerups. at the beginning of the game you can just go kick some ass in a massively land wide world. no level system. you can still do pve and quests. dungeons will be instance like mabinogi where theres a boss at the end of the dungeon. you and your party will crawl to the end and beat the boss.. once beat it will show cutscenes and cinematic as your reward and extra disposal pvp slot.

 

my game focus on pvp. much content on pvp. no level system. no need to grind jus to level up and pk your enemy with your high level status.... when you can pk them with your own pure human-skill and feel good.

anyone can attack each other at anywhere and anytime. a fixed rule is avalible like duel mode pvp where no one can interfere. party battle, guild battle. the world is default a royal rumble or call it deatmatch in fps.

Spawn-camping (AOC), Corpse-Camping (WoW), Griefing, Ganking, NPC killing, Blocking (prevent people from accessing a particular feature/area). some restrictions MUST be implemented

 

pking each other gets loot from each other. like clothing, accessories ect.. note clothing and stuff will not raise your stat so be assure that it will not be whoever got better clothing wins. thsi game is all about your own human-skill not equipment. also all weapons will have its own unique feature up and down on each blah blah

my game will be 2.99 monthly fee. free trial download are avalible for 2 days limit. after 2 days you will not have access. buddy key are avalible too from the retail box set. 1 buddy key in each box.  will be 4 days llimit.

mmorpg does not need level system if they really wanted to.

 Impossible.

so everybody go roam the world of "no name yet" and start pwning each other using your human-skill now!

let me remind you, game developers have brain way smarter than most of us and they work in group. If you think making a good game is that easy, think again.

EDIT : from several post above, "profit is priority".. Yeah it feels good looking at people having fun with your game, but that'll last only for several hours.

Originally posted by Ionik

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you plan on creating limitations (such as AoC's or Tcos's) you can't do anything similar to real time combat. The technologies aren't ready yet, so I'd rather have non-next gen massive battles than next-gen instanced experience.

 

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.

rofl, own'd

anywayz, the OP makes some good points, i love skill based mmo's, considering ive been playing Neocron for 6 years straight. Never really got into fantasy based rpg, it was all about levels, and who has better gear, etc ( bigger e-peen). 

Im waiting to see what Fallen Earth, Earthrise, Global Agenda, have to offer.

Aion just seems to shinny and a grind-fest imho.

i'll stick with Crysis and look at the crytek "2" engine instead  

Originally posted by Ionik

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you plan on creating limitations (such as AoC's or Tcos's) you can't do anything similar to real time combat. The technologies aren't ready yet, so I'd rather have non-next gen massive battles than next-gen instanced experience.

 

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.

Sorry buddy but your on the wrong forum site. Search for it and you will find it. And next time try to bring something more to the table. Your comment makes you look foolish.

Originally posted by SXRchosen1

Originally posted by Ionik

Originally posted by Ephimero

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but unless you plan on creating limitations (such as AoC's or Tcos's) you can't do anything similar to real time combat. The technologies aren't ready yet, so I'd rather have non-next gen massive battles than next-gen instanced experience.

 

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I think you need to go back to playing your carebear game Hello kitty online.

 

rofl, own'd

anywayz, the OP makes some good points, i love skill based mmo's, considering ive been playing Neocron for 6 years straight. Never really got into fantasy based rpg, it was all about levels, and who has better gear, etc ( bigger e-peen). 

Im waiting to see what Fallen Earth, Earthrise, Global Agenda, have to offer.

Aion just seems to shinny and a grind-fest imho.

i'll stick with Crysis and look at the crytek "2" engine instead  

Well if you call Neocron a good mmo game, you can have it. I'm just gonna have to pass on that one. As you said, its just not my style of game.

What features does blade and soul have thats so special ?

The only thing I dont like about Aion is that the environment graphix dotn looks great they look very similar to linage II especialy the biuldings.

Sigh. I think you'll find that no one expects a 'next gen' MMO of Aion.

Everyone is hoping however it does what WoW did.

Re-hash the standard MMO stuff, build on it a bit, add some new dynamics and polish the living **** out of it. That boys and girls is what Aion is. A very polished game which brings a few new things to the table.

While everyone is screaming for 'MMO Revolution' they dont realise that the real revolution is still a few years away. I.e., all these new systems people are talking about in an MMO havent been built upon. FPS Combat/Realtime Combat for example is still very unrefined/unpopular on the MMO scene.

If anything, I'd say Darkfall is the next generation EQ (sorry I know its an insult) and Mortal Online would potentially be the next 'WoW'. Assuming both of these games launch.

Long story short, stop bitching, enjoy Aion until something truly revolutionary comes out.