hi all, never posted on forums before ,but something really bugged me yesterday . I was questing in Moria and saw a fellow player ( shadowbourn ) fighting a mob. As i thought he could use a hand i waded in and kick the mobs butt. Then in IMS came a massage from the player i helped....was it ty m8?..cheers friend?...no it was this...."before you go charging in to help why dont you take the time out to ask i its needed?"..Asking what i did wrong i got the reply that i was stealing his xp???...Now if that was the case he couldve just said ty but i dont need help..I politely told him what i thought of his manners :P, so then he tells me im reporting you m8 and your in my ignore list (ill miss him:(..lol)..so in OOC i told him he was the most ungrateful rudest player ive ever met..this was met with no less than 12 other players telling me he has been rude to them for helping too? and lecturing them on respect??hmmmm..so if you ever see that mentionedplayer dont help him let him die and pay him the respect he so rightly has earned.BTW his comments have only stregthened my beliefs ,that 99.9% of players of lotro are great and funny and play to enjoy not to become smeagal..

This has been a bit of debate on Lotro for a while , he shouldn't have been rude about it's not the norm imo.However as far as I know he would lose some XP as he has had assistance with the mob.Even if he reports you I can't see anything coming of it , you'd have to be harrassing him for that.

The player in question should just go on your ignore list and if you see him again just let him die lol . sounds like a pratt anyhow.

Sadly, this is an inditement of life in general.  No matter how good an online community is, you are always going to get rude and unpleasent people.  It's a shame, but I doubt that things will change in our lifetime.

However, this has prompted me to think of another question, and so I'll make a post for it, so as not to de-rail this one.

If it helps, you can try out the role-play specific European server called Laurelin, which I have found to have a more pleasent community.  In particular you could check out our kin; Order of the Free Souls, which promotes a close-knit, family-orientated feeling, with kin mates always willing to help out others.  My main toon is called Turkonan by the way, just in case you want to drop by and send me a tell.

Well its pretty anoying when someone "helps" you when you clearly dont need any help and you just loose xp from it but his behavior is still not ok and was very rude.

But I think its far worse to name and shame people in OOC or in this forum...

I can vouch for EU Laurelin , best server out there :)

Well unfortunately some people have not been raised very well.

Originally posted by Papadam

Well its pretty anoying when someone "helps" you when you clearly dont need any help and you just loose xp from it but his behavior is still not ok and was very rude.

But I think its far worse to name and shame people in OOC or in this forum...

You know what? It's 1 or 2 mobs, the difference in xp loss is minimal to nil when you consider that this entire game oozes  xp. And quite frankly, I've done the same thing in Moria several times when I've seen that someone obviously needed help and they've thanked me.

I have also had an add or two "too much" and have had people do the same. All the person had to do was say "thanks, but I really didn't need the help, but I appreciate the gesture".

People have no manners anymore.

OP, you can help me whenever you want, I appreciate there are people like you still out there. Don't lose heart.

I'm on EU Laurelin and I've never encountered anything quite as rude as that. Fair enough he'd lose a wee bit of XP but the mines are replete with XP. This Shadowbourn character is a downright cad for treating you like that.

You fail to mention which server you are on OP. If it's Laurelin (which I doubt) I'll be having words with the ungrateful sod should I see him.

I had a similar incident when I was new to the game and level 40. I had no idea that hitting another player's mob halved their xp.  They were quite rude about it.  Then the same rude player deliberately jumped in and killed the named mob I needed for a quest and I had just spent 5 minutes clearing the nearby mobs.

On the other hand, in Moria, I have had numerous players halve my xp by hitting a mob that had next to no hitpoints left while I had nearly full hitpoints.  It was even more frustrating on my guardian who has low dps and takes a long time to kill a mob.  Given Moria is for experienced players (L50+) who know this halved xp, it was quite annoying. 

Things seem to have settled down  now that players have spread out into other areas in Moria.

I remember the similar threads in the forum long time ago. 

First, we do not know the motive to help the other players. But the debate ended up with results.  

1. Without communication in advance to attack the other player's target, especially when the other player do not have any difficulty to kill his/her target, if you attacked the target, it don't matter what you call it, your help is not necessary. 

2. If you seen the other player almost get killed by his/her target, and you have no time to chat, you have to attack the target to save the player at once, usually, he/she may give a thank to you.

3. If the other player are higher level than you then it is difficult for anyone to accept from a lower level help.

4. In odd situation, higher damage player may hijacked the kill from the other player. And you don't want it happen if you helped the others. So, do not overkilled. 

5. A group of people run by and slash everything on their way, and you'd doubt for their motive to help you.

It's not conduct of behavior, enjoy your gameplay. :p

I think the simple remedy for this would be if Turbine mentioned something about this xp loss in the rules.  I've been playing Lotro for several months now, and I was not aware that this happened until I read this post.

Even so, anyone with half a brain would realise that the motive for another player helping to kill a mob is not for the pittance they would thus receive for xp, but because they were trying to be kind and help them.  Rather than acting like a total dick, and sending a tell complaining about them trying to ninja a few poxy xp, they should send a tell explaining to the person that their intervention has unduly cost them some xp.

This would then enlighten much of the cummunity to this issue.  I think I can be fairly sure that nobody is really intending to 'poach' a few xp points by helping someone kill a mob!

I remember something like this happening to me,I had a minstrel and thought the guy needed a hand after we were done he gave me some abuse....and ok I gve him some back,I just couldnt understand that I had helped him and he was upset,I checked the forums and found that(something of the quote i can remember) "it is always polite to ask 1st if the person would like you too help them before you help"

I found this insane in a mmo game and 1 of the reasons I left,some guy is getting mauled but before I can help I should whisper him 1st to ask and hope before he dies he can say yes and then hope I can still help him?

Not exactly a mmo game when you cant help another player.

XP loss on one mob due to assist is really not getting worked up over unless the person was intentionally stealing your kill, but then it's the act that is aggravating, not the penalty.  Personally, I do a lot of solo play and it really bugs me when someone comes along and joins in assuming I need help or something, especially when it's obvious I don't.  If I'm by myself and need or want help, I will yell "help" or I will deal with it and suffer the loss.  I appreciate the gesture, but any reasonable player that pays attention to the battle should be able to tell whether the person needs help or not short of them asking for it.  If I think someone else needs help, I will usually watch for a few to see if the person really looks like they need it or not; otherwise, they can ask for it.

That said, I do agree that he didn't have to be so rude about the issue.  As much as is bugs me when someone does it, I'm not going to get all butthurt and go reporting them.  I'll just give a quick thx and move on.  I mean come on people, it's just a freaking game.

It's been very crowded in Moria and there have been many situations like this.  The other day I was taking on an easy mob and had almost full health.  Buddy steps in the give me a hand.  I'm thinking wtf and was pretty annoyed.  Then I reminded myself that he was just trying to help and probably only cost me 80 XP.  Not exactly something to get upset about.

Moria is a hard place and I see people running around with "I just died" dread icons all the time.  There are people who do not help.  I try to avoid helping people in case they don't want help but if i think someone is in trouble I'll stay a few seconds to watch what happens.  I'm a captain so I can always buff without reducing their XP, or can pop a heal if they are in trouble.

sorry my post was pre-moria,infact it wasnt long after the game got released,I think maybe a month or 2,it really did put me off the fact I couldnt just "help" someone,as a healer that is 1 thing I like in a mmo.

I like LOTRO, and I like Turbine as a company but some of the bone head rules they implement achives nothing but Grief for the community. Some one wacks a mob first the mob, loot and the XP is thiers  Why is that so complicated?

Just to be clear, some folks above me seem to be confused on this point:

If you attack a mob that someone else has already tagged, it will be gray to you and you will get 0 XP.  They will get most of the XP from a regular kill, all of the loot, and full kill credit for deeds or quests. 

I haven't noticed any drop in legendary item XP when someone tags something I've engaged, but then I haven't been paying very close attention.  When I have to kill 100 animals to level my bow I don't really pay much attention to any single kill.  I certainly don't lose my shit if someone happens to tag a mob while I'm on it.

I have a kinmate who is like that, he does not work and spends probably 12 hours a day ingame and he is scared he will lose 50 xp or something. Don't understand it myself. <boggled> He got all po'ed when I laughed at him about it but he still does it as far as I know. If you see me fighting and want to help it does not bother me in the least, some people are just weird about it though.

By the way I do "drive by" heals all the time witrh my minstrel, never had anyone complain about that.

I don't quite understand what this shadowbourne player did wrong. How is saying, "before you go charging in to help why don't you take the time out to ask if its needed?" rude? It seems completely logical to me.  If he didn't need help, and he would lose xp from you lending assistance, it's rude FOR YOU to help.

You must remember that many games have assholes that run around kill-stealing others, and it's not uncommon for someone to respond in a manner that isn't exactly kind when this happens.  It's normal, and it's not necessarily a reflection of "how the person was raised" or any of that shit.

OP, get a grip and stop defacing others on OCC. You decided to play hero, and since you didn't get the response you yearned for, you now deface the player on a forum?

And you call him rude...

Originally posted by madtheblind

hi all, never posted on forums before ,but something really bugged me yesterday . I was questing in Moria and saw a fellow player ( shadowbourn ) fighting a mob. As i thought he could use a hand i waded in and kick the mobs butt. Then in IMS came a massage from the player i helped....was it ty m8?..cheers friend?...no it was this...."before you go charging in to help why dont you take the time out to ask i its needed?"..Asking what i did wrong i got the reply that i was stealing his xp???...Now if that was the case he couldve just said ty but i dont need help..I politely told him what i thought of his manners :P, so then he tells me im reporting you m8 and your in my ignore list (ill miss him:(..lol)..so in OOC i told him he was the most ungrateful rudest player ive ever met..this was met with no less than 12 other players telling me he has been rude to them for helping too? and lecturing them on respect??hmmmm..so if you ever see that mentionedplayer dont help him let him die and pay him the respect he so rightly has earned.BTW his comments have only stregthened my beliefs ,that 99.9% of players of lotro are great and funny and play to enjoy not to become smeagal..

yea you know i dont feel sorry for these idiots that are like that, i tell you what in sometime down the road in the future when he is fighting again and you come upon him and he actually does need help, you say to the guy, F off i dont want to steal your xp LOL that will teach his immature little punk a$$.