Originally posted by singsofdeath 

 Is that not "hyping"?

I would say no as the only way you would be reading it is if you specially looked it up.

Originally posted by rvjones10 

   I'm looking for substance over eye candy. In the long run thats  what will keep me resubing.

did that last vid give you enough "substance"?

It looked like a fucking Alpha after 2 months of work.

Originally posted by enLS

did that last vid give you enough "substance"?

It looked like a fucking Alpha after 2 months of work.

Go die, please.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by aeroplane22

I think many people fail to realize that this game is not hyped. It is not hyped, whatsoever. The only 'hype' it receives are from interested fans discussing features of the game, then a troll or negative fanatic will come in and boast that nobody knows what they are talking about, thus the so-called hype is played out.

There has not been much interest in the graphics of this game, even since its conception way back when. Though personally I find the graphics/animation more than satisfactory. The 'big interest' if you will, is from the semi-revolutionary features Darkfall is going to bring to us.

I could give a crap if the animations don't stand up to Asheron's Call 2 or Age of Conan, I like neither of those games at all, and their animations are just fine. Which brings me to my next point.. I'll play the game regardless of the animation.

 

Why does everyone think that the only possibility to "hype" a game is to put it in a million ads, put up ridiculous amounts of trailers and screens and whatnot and publish it through all media possible?

 

There are different ways to hype a game and Tasos has been Hyping up DF ever since they started developing it. What else do you call his Developer Journals where he decrees Darkfall the best of the best in every aspect possible? The largest world, the best AI, the most freedom to do what you want, thousands of skills/spells, superior performance etc. etc.?

 

Is that not "hyping"? Especially when the fans swallow it whole and present it as fact to their fellow gamers? Seriously people, just because DF did not invest in massive PR does not mean that the game is not hyped.

 

As for the rest. It's ridiculous how these threads crop up again and again. There's some people out there who would play DF even if it was a MUD. Other people won't. It's a matter of taste. And not caring about graphics does not make you a "better" gamer by the way, as many people seem to think. Nor does caring about graphics. Get a grip...sheesh.

I don't think that anyone said that they haven't hyped it at all.

What we're saying is that it isn't overhyped. they've been working (ok, I'll give you the razorwax years too) for 7 years in public, 7 years. Do you really want to compare the interviews and other stuff that the developers of other MMOs have given over their own development cycles, which admitedly would be smaller than DFs one?

EDIT: Meh, sorry, just realised what you were quoting. Yup, DF has been hyped by Ave, not to the extend of other games though.

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by dirtknap69

agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

 

Darkfall's character models are not up to AoC standard, but they're not supposed to be, they're supposed to be lean and fast, for massive battles.

 

Darkfall's animations are its weakest point - we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great -- even the lowest & dumbest mob - the goblin - fights and acts believably and certainly is not the standard just stand still auto-attack crap that every other MMO has.

If you honestly can't tell the difference between the AoC environments and those of Darkfall then I suppose you're lucky, since you're far more likely to enjoy DF than most.

As for "...we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great..." I have to wonder where the hell you get that from. You've seen one minute of footage of a lone player chasing a lone goblin who is running away, and from this you infer a great AI?! Or maybe it's from all those suspiciously positive "legitimate beta reports from actual testers" that sounded like they were written by Aventurine's AI testing bots... reports that once again only seem to talk about goblins. Perhaps goblins are all they have?

you should try watching some of the other vids that are out there so you don't come off so uninformed,

Originally posted by enLS

Originally posted by dirtknap69

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by dirtknap69

agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

 

As good as Aoc?

This has to be the funniest, most delusional shit I've read all month.

Here's a little reality check for you.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33900.html

 And no.. it doesn't look better than Warhammer or WoW either.

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c

That last video they showed looks like it was built by a bunch of amateurs just learning how to model and animate. It was horrible and no where near standard professional grade stuff.

I agree with you on most of this.

I agree that those think the enviroments are as good as AoC are  I mean anyone thats actualy seen the two can see that DF outshines AOC in that area.

Char models are not that much better than War and the animations are  mediocre.

Your WoW comment though one is only left with the assumtion you haven't seen the SS's and the other recent videos. I would recomend starting with the 17 min in game footage vid, downloaded version not yourube then watch the ADW Vid check the screenshots out and then try and make comparisons. It's obvious you haven't seen the other videos or screenshots, I mean if you had surely the 17min game footage vid would have been the one you used for comparison.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I agree with you on most of this.

I agree that those think the enviroments are as good as AoC are  I mean anyone thats actualy seen the two can see that DF outshines AOC in that area.

Char models are not that much better than War and the animations are  mediocre.

Your WoW comment though one is only left with the assumtion you haven't seen the SS's and the other recent videos. I would recomend starting with the 17 min in game footage vid, downloaded version not yourube then watch the ADW Vid check the screenshots out and then try and make comparisons. It's obvious you haven't seen the other videos or screenshots, I mean if you had surely the 17min game footage vid would have been the one you used for comparison.

you must be new here. the guy you replied to is a dedicated darkfall troll who gets banned every 2 weeks and comes back with a different nickname. hilarious but true, everyone who knows this forum just ignores/filters him out.

i agree with you that DF's environment graphics are generally as good as or better than AoC

How to; Create a nice environment.
Put a lot of work in it! DF has been worked on for 7 years, they've had plenty of time to make it beautiful, even with dated models. Every single detail just looks right. Just look at the grass/flowers, it's probably one of the first MMO's where I actually seen them doing it right. Guild wars came close, but didn't use it that much to keep the performance high. Lotro tried it, and failed at it. But it looks like Darkfall really nailed it. The trees look a bit off though, but they might've changed that already. 

As for the player models and animations, Guild Wars is still my favourite in that. The player models look awesome, and after 4 years, they're still my favourite. Just the fact that there aren't that many glowy items around gives the characters a good feel. And if you're able to get no-lifers horny by just running around like a naked female characters, the character models must look realistic... :D 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Your WoW comment though one is only left with the assumtion you haven't seen the SS's and the other recent videos.

I've seen them all and they are not as good as WoW level design and graphics. Even though WoW uses low poly models the quality of work is much better... and animations.. and pretty much everything else.

I would recomend starting with the 17 min in game footage vid

I did and it's the same bullshit as this latest italian crappy video. Some models running around in an outdated game world with bad animations..

enLS, your avatar remembers me of "Anger Manegement" movie.

And by that I can understand why you act like this on these forums ;)

Originally posted by enLS

Originally posted by joelfilho

enLS, your avatar remembers me of "Anger Manegement" movie.

And by that I can understand why you act like this on these forums ;)

I think you should try and figure out what makes some of these deluded fanboys tick....  you'd get some much more interesting material.

 

I can help out here, I am a fanboy of the game. Here's what makes me tick. I like the concepts behind DarkFall, I like the overall graphics of DarkFall. I think DarkFall will be a game I like. I do not know these things at this time, this is my opinion based on the information I have at this time. Having the option to try before I buy gives me less cause for concern than most other MMO's that have come out.

If it fails or never launches oh well it's just a game. I understand there is a chance still the game will not launch in 2008 or ever at all. I understand there's a chance I won't even like the game. Every other MMO in development is in the same boat.

I am sorry I don't value your opinion on things, to me it just doesn't hold weight. Most of what you say and ,some of the others that do not seem to like DarkFall, are in direct contradiction to facts I have access to. So my opinions are based on the facts I have access to at this time. Then there is the issue of what constitutes as fact and who is credible, I just view Tasos and gaming media and Aventurine to be more crebidble than you because 1) I have no clue who you are, your not my friend or family member, your some random person I saw on the net.  2) They have a lot backing up what they have been saying so far where as you and others do not.

So..... what makes you tick?

Here is how I see this issue.  I dont care about graphics nor animations.  The animations can be fixed at a later date.  I want good fast furious gameplay.  If the limited graphics mean great performance in large scale PVP then BRING IT ON!

Originally posted by arkady09

Here is how I see this issue.  I dont care about graphics nor animations.  The animations can be fixed at a later date.  I want good fast furious gameplay.  If the limited graphics mean great performance in large scale PVP then BRING IT ON!

Ahhh ,another one !

Well!  It not only depends on graphics, it also depends on coding /programming. See, you can have graphics below WOW but if your engine sucks or the coding sucks with full of bugs , then you also can't have 100 people on a screen, you probably will even lag when there are 10 on a screen.  So heres hoping for a good working engine that is well coded. That's all i say about that.

Good examples: Dark and light, Anarchy online  , uhmm... age of conan, vanguard ( however VG and AOC have higher graphics although vanguard was terrible coded and was full of bugs and was the main reason why it had so much lag, it simly had a terrible coding/prgramming for there engine)  and perhaps some few more.

Now about the animations.  If you have clunky animations, how can you have fast furious game play?

Impressive!  Get real ! Seriously.  Think outside the line of a fanboy ,jeez.

Originally posted by shadenis

Originally posted by arkady09

Here is how I see this issue.  I dont care about graphics nor animations.  The animations can be fixed at a later date.  I want good fast furious gameplay.  If the limited graphics mean great performance in large scale PVP then BRING IT ON!

 

Ahhh ,another one !

 

Well!  It not only depends on graphics, it also depends on coding /programming. See, you can have graphics below WOW but if your engine sucks or the coding sucks with full of bugs , then you also can't have 100 people on a screen, you probably will even lag when there are 10 on a screen.  So heres hoping for a good working engine that is well coded. That's all i say about that.

Good examples: Dark and light, Anarchy online  , uhmm... age of conan, vanguard ( however VG and AOC have higher graphics although vanguard was terrible coded and was full of bugs and was the main reason why it had so much lag, it simly had a terrible coding/prgramming for there engine)  and perhaps some few more.

 

Now about the animations.  If you have clunky animations, how can you have fast furious game play?

 

Impressive!  Get real ! Seriously.  Think outside the line of a fanboy ,jeez.

the gameplay seem me furious, check the gameplay vid ...

We can't make assumption how bad the code is -you not  an exception of this.

Animations didn't interupted the gameplay...gameplay still fluid..some may be annoying to the eye of some people ..according to personal taste..nothing gamebreaking from what is shown...

Originally posted by shadenis

Now about the animations.  If you have clunky animations, how can you have fast furious game play?

Impressive! Get real ! Seriously. Think outside the line of a fanboy ,jeez.

arkady had a good point, if the graphics and animations are lacking, where gameplay isn't.  The game will be well worth our time.

What you've failed to notice, shadenis, is that Darkfall's animations are anything but "clunky" when it comes to combat.  Watch the fight again, you'll easily see that the pace is quick.  She may have chicken thighs, but she swings the sword quickly.  Thus, your point isn't backed by anything but dramatic imagination.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by shadenis

Originally posted by arkady09

Here is how I see this issue.  I dont care about graphics nor animations.  The animations can be fixed at a later date.  I want good fast furious gameplay.  If the limited graphics mean great performance in large scale PVP then BRING IT ON!

 

Ahhh ,another one !

 

Well!  It not only depends on graphics, it also depends on coding /programming. See, you can have graphics below WOW but if your engine sucks or the coding sucks with full of bugs , then you also can't have 100 people on a screen, you probably will even lag when there are 10 on a screen.  So heres hoping for a good working engine that is well coded. That's all i say about that.

Good examples: Dark and light, Anarchy online  , uhmm... age of conan, vanguard ( however VG and AOC have higher graphics although vanguard was terrible coded and was full of bugs and was the main reason why it had so much lag, it simly had a terrible coding/prgramming for there engine)  and perhaps some few more.

 

Now about the animations.  If you have clunky animations, how can you have fast furious game play?

 

Impressive!  Get real ! Seriously.  Think outside the line of a fanboy ,jeez.

 

the gameplay seem me furious, check the gameplay vid ...

We can't make assumption how bad the code is -you not  an exception of this.

That's your opinion,no problem but i have a different one . When i am playing my character for the whole time in DFO, i would like to see more then the legs moving. Like the butt moving and arms and of course the body. Isn't hard to do. We don't need hair moving or motion capture animations, what we do need , is a better fluid animated body with running and combat swing/directions. 

I checked the game play video. Very short ( or is there a longer video? )  and i will not say the game is good , i only say , i would like to test it and see it for myself.  

Like i said in  my previous thread. Server and code need to be done well, if not, there won't be hundreds on the field. Based on the graphics and that adventurine is using a house engine. I guess 100 players on the field would be a good start and a honest guess of what will be at launch ( which i expect in Q1/Q2 , hopefully because they also need server tests etc. in my opinion and experience with previous beta tests)

Let me give you some facts of how hundreds on the field + decent graphics but also good animations work

If  you played Dark age of camelot, then i think that says enough

Originally posted by shadenis

 

That's your opinion,no problem but i have a different one . When i am playing my character for the whole time in DFO, i would like to see more then the legs moving. Like the butt moving and arms and of course the body. Isn't hard to do. We don't need hair moving or motion capture animations, what we do need , is a better fluid animated body with running and combat swing/directions. 

 Yes, annoying , but not gamebreaking IMO

I checked the game play video. Very short ( or is there a longer video? )  and i will not say the game is good , i only say , i would like to test it and see it for myself.  

was refereing to the August gameplay trailer

17 min of footage

 www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/Videos/gameplay-trailer.jpg.html

Like i said in  my previous thread. Server and code need to be done well, if not, there won't be hundreds on the field. Based on the graphics and that adventurine is using a house engine. I guess 100 players on the field would be a good start and a honest guess of what will be at launch ( which i expect in Q1/Q2 , hopefully because they also need server tests etc. in my opinion and experience with previous beta tests)

 

Let me give you some facts of how hundreds on the field + decent graphics but also good animations work

If  you played Dark age of camelot, then i think that says enough

Have heard good things about but never played myself so can't verify

I'm still not sure why people are going to such extreme lengths to speak out against this game.

Every Darkfall fan who has commented has basically said if it's good, they'll play it, and if not, they'll let it go. But every Darkfall hater has spent their efforts calling it vaporware and now speaking against the graphics.

It's as if your goal is to bring the game down.

Me personally. If Darkfall comes out, I'll give it a try. I'm hoping the gameplay and concepts are as good as I've read. And guess what, if it turns out that Darkfall isn't up to my liking, I'll cancel.

I'm not caught up on graphics.

 UO was a great game in my opinion. It's graphics were fine for me.

 Age of Conan had great graphics. I did not like the instancing.

Most importantly, you are welcome to have your opinion, for or against this game. Heck, please go ahead and review it...even though you haven't played it. But to constantly come into the threads, call it weak, call it "phail", and otherwise prophecy doom for the game. That's premature and, realistically, immature.

I happened to read one poster's opinion about the graphics that caused me pause. He was informed and commented about the file sizes and loading times, suggesting that Darkfall won't be able to handle a large player base without huge lag. At least, from this guy, I felt I was actually getting an informed opinion. Subsequently, my only response is this:

When/if it comes out, I'll give it a try. Then we'll see.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by shadenis

 

That's your opinion,no problem but i have a different one . When i am playing my character for the whole time in DFO, i would like to see more then the legs moving. Like the butt moving and arms and of course the body. Isn't hard to do. We don't need hair moving or motion capture animations, what we do need , is a better fluid animated body with running and combat swing/directions. 

 Yes, annoying , but not gamebreaking IMO

I checked the game play video. Very short ( or is there a longer video? )  and i will not say the game is good , i only say , i would like to test it and see it for myself.  

was refereing to the August gameplay trailer

17 min of footage

 www.darkfallonline.eu/darkfall-bilder/v/Videos/gameplay-trailer.jpg.html

Like i said in  my previous thread. Server and code need to be done well, if not, there won't be hundreds on the field. Based on the graphics and that adventurine is using a house engine. I guess 100 players on the field would be a good start and a honest guess of what will be at launch ( which i expect in Q1/Q2 , hopefully because they also need server tests etc. in my opinion and experience with previous beta tests)

 

Let me give you some facts of how hundreds on the field + decent graphics but also good animations work

If  you played Dark age of camelot, then i think that says enough

Have heard good things about but never played myself so can't verify

 

Gamebreaking can be each to there owns. People still play AOC. I do not agree with you and i think putting more work in those animations would satisfy much more people and not only the biggest supporters of DFO.

I thought the newer video looked better.  And i already saw that 17 minute video so many times. It's basically old news for me

DAOC  500 K subs, the inventor of RVR and has the best non-consensual pvp  to this date. It had battles of  700 man on screen ( check youtube ) and had some very awesome pvp. It was a pvp game, from mythic. Mythic back then was good until they released trials of atlantis, it made the game basically a gear grind fest and everyone leaved and thus the subs dropped from 500 to well not much....   Anyway, DAOC has one of the best pvp battles ever alongside UO , L2 ,AC DT and EVE. Those are the 5 best pvp games in my opinion.   DFO will have to do it's best to trow those 5 of the seat  and it still will get competition. Anyway, more sandbox games = better imo. However, they need to succeed because i have seen to many promises these days that fail to deliver. From small companies to big companies.

 I edited my post a bit. Sorr, i readed your line about DAOC wrong.

Originally posted by Hhussk

I'm still not sure why people are going to such extreme lengths to speak out against this game.

 

Every Darkfall fan who has commented has basically said if it's good, they'll play it, and if not, they'll let it go. But every Darkfall hater has spent their efforts calling it vaporware and now speaking against the graphics.

It's as if your goal is to bring the game down.

 

Me personally. If Darkfall comes out, I'll give it a try. I'm hoping the gameplay and concepts are as good as I've read. And guess what, if it turns out that Darkfall isn't up to my liking, I'll cancel.

I'm not caught up on graphics.

 UO was a great game in my opinion. It's graphics were fine for me.

 Age of Conan had great graphics. I did not like the instancing.

Most importantly, you are welcome to have your opinion, for or against this game. Heck, please go ahead and review it...even though you haven't played it. But to constantly come into the threads, call it weak, call it "phail", and otherwise prophecy doom for the game. That's premature and, realistically, immature.

I happened to read one poster's opinion about the graphics that caused me pause. He was informed and commented about the file sizes and loading times, suggesting that Darkfall won't be able to handle a large player base without huge lag. At least, from this guy, I felt I was actually getting an informed opinion. Subsequently, my only response is this:

When/if it comes out, I'll give it a try. Then we'll see.

I hope you don't speak to the OP ( me )  because i never said the graphics suck, i just said the animations need work because i don't want to see only my legs moving because that looks, well.. not really cool when i see my character + others most of the time. I am subjective and my opinion is that they need more work because in 7 years or 5 years of development time , they can DO BETTER DECENT animations. No AOC animations needed but if you look at a game like the original AC or DAOC which where released a long time ago, then i'm sure DFO can do decent animations since DAOC by example had 700 people on screen with good animations and decent graphics ( for it's time when it released) The same for UO, it had good graphics when it was released at that time. EQ of course had better but that was because it was 3D and is a totally other story

Btw. an constructive objective opinion is not trolling. Trolls are mostly people who give opinions which do not give a WHY in there posts.  I Not everyone is a troll who doesn't like the animations or who doesn't like a feature. Imo, i am still an advocater of middleground like partial looting.   I still hope DFO has laws and rules ( not talking about restrictions, i am talking about consequenses!) , which is needed in every mmo , especially with FFA, unless you want kiddy gankfests, then yeah....  I hear all these people say haters etc. But i am being honest that some fanboys do get on my nerves, sometimes they don't even give an argument, why it is good for btw. the economy or why there should be this or that.  Like i said to many others, let's get a bit into reality please!