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When you have WOW and all mmo's. Most of the games , when you run , your whole body is moving.
In DFO, only his feet is moving. It seems the combat animations have improved ? They aren't terrible and of course, they always can be hugely improved.
The problem i have with DFO is the animations, another problem is that i don't see allot of mobs and i don't see other beta testers :S .
DFO needs to fix there animations. First. Animations do not decrease FPS. Good examples are world of warcraft, the chronicles of spellborn, EQ etc. etc. EQ2 currently even has better animations. DFO can do better because i have seen people who are semi pro's , who can make much better animations.
Running is only the legs moving. The rest is static. Now the fanboys don't care, but the fact is. Animations are a huge immersion breaker if not done right. If you have a real time combat system and then the sword only draws with 100 km per hour left and right , then i won't call that fun to watch. If i want to explore and see my character legs only moving , i'm not having allot of fun because the whole game , you are seeing people walking and fighting. If this is crappy aka the animations, then it doesn't matter if it has all the features of most mmo's.
I mean, i know some people who can do this in a few weeks ,seriously. If you have competors like fallen earth, mortal online and earth rise who have better animations and offer the same sandbox experience. Then DFO won't do good when those are released. If you btw. check fallen earth videos, published by the developers. You see that even in ALPHA stage , there characters are running with not only legs, but there whole body.
And i mean, the graphic quality of FE isn't also crysis like/ age of conan like. It has the same as DFO graphics, maybe even less which is good because it is less lag. There animations are nice, TCOS animations also aren't terrible. And it uses U engine 2.5 modified.
It is not an excuse to say graphic whore because animations are a main part of immersion or no immersion. There is no single fanboy who can tell me that i'm wrong. You just can't come with such pathetic excuse like that. If fallen earth with it's INDIE developers can have decent animations, if TCOS can have decent animations, if mortal online can have decent animations ( based from the sweden tv show that shows a bit of footage of mortal online )
ALL INDIE DEVELOPERS WITH not blizzard/ EA budgets, can make decent animations, not best of best like age of conan but acceptable to not break immersion, why the hell can't DFO do that?
It's a game, a character needs to move goddammit! ----------------------------------------------------------- representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan playing: EVE ONLINE |
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11/27/08 4:30:59 AM#2
Originally posted by shadenis
For the year 2000 maybe. They are not good. They're mediocre crap at best. Take a look at Asheron's Call 2. That game was released in 2002 and makes the graphics in that latest video of this game look like a fucking high schooler built it using Torque engine. |
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Originally posted by enLS
For the year 2000 maybe. They are not good. They're mediocre crap at beast. Take a look at Asheron's Call 2. That game was released in 2002 and makes the graphics in that latest video of this game look like a fucking high schooler built it using Torque engine.
I disagree, stop trolling because AC graphics are way below DFO. I am not a fanboy because i actually despise the fanboys vs troll debates on mmorpg.com But the fact is, the graphics are decent and are in no way like AC.
Anyway , we are talking about animations, please read this thread before trolling the forums. It just doesn't make you a better or cooler person, mate. ----------------------------------------------------------- representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan playing: EVE ONLINE |
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11/27/08 4:40:40 AM#4
Originally posted by shadenis AC2 graphics are way below ?? AC2 graphics ARE FAR AND AWAY better than the graphics in that video thhey just released from those italians playing.
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daarco
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Joined: 12/19/06
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11/27/08 5:15:10 AM#5
Good thread OP. But at same time i wonder. We have seen the female running anamtion many other times. And none have cared. This time we see it and the whole world goes nuts : ) The animation did however look weitd. And i wonder what made it look weird? Lack of clothes, heavy weapon, poor animation, wounded or no armour? |
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11/27/08 5:28:10 AM#6
I'm just not getting the problem with this latest vid. I will most liokely not be playing DF, this vid did nothing to change my mind. But, with all the valid reasons to not play the game I simply fail to see how this vid was one of them. Could someone explain to me how exactly it is that people think that improving the detail and degree to which an animation is altered from 1 frame to the next doesn't lower FPS? I'm sorry but in an FPS mmo they treading new ground, comparing them to games out currently that are not first person real time combat or to games which are still in development is absolutely pointless. I just think people are failing to appreciate the fundamental difference. The most common complaint of the animations I have seen have been with the legs moving and the body remaining rigid, well I can not as neither can anyone else say how optimised they have made their animations but I do know for a FACT that having the body move on every frame with the the lower body WILL DECREASE FPS, it really is that simple. Despite what others have been posting, the technology to have this game with its promised features with real time fps style combat and have even WoW quality animations (despite that being client side) doesn't exist. We are not at a stage globally where we can achieve this, sorry. Compromises have to be made and shortcuts have to be taken, the animation is an easy one and for me not that bad of a one, however I think in the long run we will see the other shortcuts they've had to take will be a far greater hinderance to the game and the reason I will not be playing. ----- |
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11/27/08 6:19:43 AM#7
Originally posted by mrw0lf
what other shortcuts? btw AC2 doesnt look that good |
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11/27/08 6:23:50 AM#8
Originally posted by mrw0lf
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11/27/08 6:24:34 AM#9
Originally posted by enLS AC2 graphics are way below ?? AC2 graphics ARE FAR AND AWAY better than the graphics in that video thhey just released from those italians playing.
Ok, since you're trying to compare screenshots with a youtube video.
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11/27/08 6:25:23 AM#10
Are you trying to say that looks good or better than AC2? Because it doesn't. |
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11/27/08 6:28:18 AM#11
actually it does...many times over |
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11/27/08 6:28:18 AM#12
Originally posted by enLS
Yea they the mreo frames oyu have to render the more fps drop your going to get Ive seen games with animation Lod and turning it down help my fps a bit. AHH FFXI had the option |
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if you have some experience in designing. Not by much. It's an excuse to say , if animations will be better, we won't have 100 vs 100. Biggest nonsense , i would ever hear. I would like to have some non-fanboyism here please. It doesn't need age of conan motion capture, what it can , is some decent animations.There are norms and this is BELOW the norm. But i guess fanboys want there character to not run, but basically up in the air static going forward without any arms or legs moving????? Get real ! Stop with that stupid fanboism because i am telling the truth. We can have acceptable animations, i am not gonna accept seeing a charracter running , but only his legs are moving and the rest is not even moving. I would like to see DFO having becoming a success ( the 200 k minimum sub norm) . With crappy animations , it will ruin most peoples immersion. Even the people who love sandbox mmo's. I love UO, i like AC etc. but i am not an idiot that just accepts bad animations. I am paying money for this , so i should expect some decent animations, which even has EQ a 1999 mmo has . It is no goddamm excuse to put this. ----------------------------------------------------------- representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan playing: EVE ONLINE |
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11/27/08 7:36:33 AM#14
I totally agree with OP, but one thing you have fibbed about is earth rise. they have only released very limited screenshots, so claiming thier animations are better is a bit rich. |
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11/27/08 8:00:30 AM#15
Originally posted by enLS
For the year 2000 maybe. They are not good. They're mediocre crap at best. Take a look at Asheron's Call 2. That game was released in 2002 and makes the graphics in that latest video of this game look like a fucking high schooler built it using Torque engine.
Asherons Call 2? Hell, Final Fantasy XI, which was build with Playstation 2 hardware in mind, looks better than Darkfail. |
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11/27/08 8:34:05 AM#16
Originally posted by daarco
It's the ass. The legs move but the ass doesn't. Having obviously just suffered a wedgie probably didn't help. |
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Originally posted by Gameloading
Asherons Call 2? Hell, Final Fantasy XI, which was build with Playstation 2 hardware in mind, looks better than Darkfail.
when are people like you gonna grow up? If you want to stick with the 12 year old attitude, then go do something more useful, then trolling in a forum. ----------------------------------------------------------- representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.
UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan playing: EVE ONLINE |
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11/27/08 9:50:51 AM#18
Originally posted by shadenis
Asherons Call 2? Hell, Final Fantasy XI, which was build with Playstation 2 hardware in mind, looks better than Darkfail.
when are people like you gonna grow up? If you want to stick with the 12 year old attitude, then go do something more useful, then trolling in a forum.
FFXi has better animations if you dont touch the lod option but the rest of df looks better |
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11/27/08 10:31:30 AM#19
Animations can impact frame-rate. More than that I just believe that the mere difficutly and resources required to accomplish FPS combat with good animations is too much for a small company to accomplish. A lot of major developers take the easy way out and use cheap animations to save time and resources. The Darkfall graphics are fine. The animations are less than stellar. All in all I think people will play this game for the freedom not the eyecandy. I'm actually impressed that the graphics are as solid as they are. I think I can live with the animations. Won't know until we play it. Tecmo Bowl. |
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11/27/08 10:40:31 AM#20
Originally posted by Thunderous
I think the animations could be more realistic but in a 100v100 battle imagine how much difference just having animated hair would make to the amount of calculations your graphics card is making. Considering what benefit you get it would be an obscene waste imo. |
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