I don't know if Darkfall is going to be a failure or not. I guess not. I hope really not.

But there is something that has been said that i have to agree.

it's impossible Darkfall is going to be all the different Darkfalls that you can see people guessing, imagining, wishing.Moreover It's easy to see how some people, here and in the official forums, have let grown their expectations too much.

Some or a lot of these people, i don't know, will be disappointed. In the best case, if the game delivers what has been promised, it will be just one game, not all the wished games you could see around.

I'm not playing any game right now, I'm waiting for Darkfall and Aion releases. i got the time to read a lot about Darkfall, the problem was that there isn't a lot of official info and probably due to this lack of information people is trying to guess what the game will be, and in this process each one has added his/her own wishes and imagination. Lot of information, more than the common sens advise, has been inducted from old interviews, from ambiguous tells coming from Aventurine's Team.

I never posted here nor in the official boards, my doubts and the contradictions i see in all these readings, I'm not going to do it now either, because it is pointless to ask  people or to try to argue about the game when the boards are just a war of flames. Anyway the game is close and we all will see it and experience it. I hope very soon.

Getting back to the OP's original statement...

I don't think  FAN-GENERATED hype will destroy this game. There's nothing wrong with people getting excited about promised features. The problem is when the developers fail to deliver on the promised features. It seems like all of the high-profile MMO* that have been released recently have failed to deliver, but the problem is Darkfall has set such a high bar for itself that it's a given that very few of the promised features will be available on launch - or do you truly believe Darkfall will have more content that WOW, better naval combat than Pirates of the Burning Sea, etc etc etc ?

God i can't wait for this game to release

why?

CAUSE THEN EVERYONE CAN SHADDUP!

sheesh......

Originally posted by miagisan

God i can't wait for this game to release

 

why?

 

CAUSE THEN EVERYONE CAN SHADDUP!

 

sheesh......

 

I know for a fact you don't mean that, I mean you're probably as interested in the game as I am, it's like a digital car crash on the opposite carriageway. You know you shouldn't look but you just can't help yourself. 'tis sick/fun entertainment and the damn thing isn't even released lol
 

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by miagisan

God i can't wait for this game to release

 

why?

 

CAUSE THEN EVERYONE CAN SHADDUP!

 

sheesh......

 

I know for a fact you don't mean that, I mean you're probably as interested in the game as I am, it's like a digital car crash on the opposite carriageway. You know you shouldn't look but you just can't help yourself. 'tis sick/fun entertainment and the damn thing isn't even released lol
 

ef knows me too well

now shut up and give me more cuddlin'!

Darkfall looks like a great game!

For me to POOP ON! 

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by SignusM

 I think people are overhyping the hype....

 

Age of Conan and WAR hype was heard throughout the industry. Even the WoW players who didn't know there was an MMORPG gengre, only WoW, heard echoes of AoC hype, and the following failure. 

 

Darkfall is really only whispered hopefully between people who have been waiting for a real MMO since the regression of the industry following WoW's release. 

 

Yes this is exactly what I mean.   It is the trolls who are playing this overhype card and it is getting old.

I mean seriously do you ever see even a minority of the fanbase going around and typing "oh holy tasos has proclaimed this game to be the best and it is mark my words".  Of course not...most of the fans are also skeptics but we have a little more faith in taking what the developers say as truth while others cry conspiracy.

This game is definitely not overhyped.  It is underhyped and if anything has the lowest expectations by the general public that a game has had in a long time.

Really? It's the trolls that are over-hyping the game? Really?:

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I hope taht the game is fun.  I also hope that they let me play it.

No but really these people can see through hype.  Thats not to say they aren't excited, but Darkfall is not a new audience, its for experienced MMO players who have tried pretty much everything and are seeking something simmilar to an old favorite.  That means many dissapointments along the way, and so by now we know how it works.  Doesn't mean we wont try it.

Originally posted by radlin

blahblah fail blah everyone else failed blahblah 

FFS, is there some kind of supervirus on MMORPG.com that forces morons to make inane threads about subjects they have no clue about?

You use small dev team as a reason why DF will fail (that was the only concrete thing I could find from that pool of stupidity). Right after the fail of Vanguard, AoC and (to a less extent) WAR. By now it should be obvious that team size matters very little.

Originally posted by Raston

The only things I'll add to this discussion (I'm an neither a fanboi or a troll, I really don't care one way or the other whether darkfall makes it or fails) are.

1) Full on PvP games tend to canibalize their own playerbase

2) Full on PvP games tend to attract the worst of the worst gamers (not all PvPers are bad, but the worst of them seem attracted to them as seen in AoC/SB)

3) The OP has a point, NOT in whether it will fail financially but rather idealisticly.  People (not the company) are setting DF up as the holy grail of MMOs.  They are setting their expectations to the point where they can not help but be disappointed when it comes out.  No niche game will ever be the savior of the MMO Genre.  This disappointment added to the the population the will attract will hamper DFs finanical future, though it may not cause it to 'fail' or be a 'failure' to anyone but those who set their opinions too high to start with.  I call this, managed expectations, something gamers are not very good with (myself included).  If you expect more than a game can give, you will never be happy with the game you get.  Thus it will be a failure, but in a way the game can't offset.

4) I really do hope the game is as good as those who wish to play it, want it.  I'm not going to hold my breath as past experience in this kind of game does not give me much confidence (I am a Shadowbane veteran and spent time in both L2 and AoC)

5) Don't be so quick to discount the opinions of others, perhaps if those who followed AoC and WAR had listened a bit more, perhaps those games would of been less of a 'failure' due to better managed expectations.  With better managed expectations, the games might of had the opportunity to start out smaller and then grow, rather than starting out big, only to shrink to a size the infrastructure was too big to support.

1&2. EVE, one of the best and most helpful MMO communities you'll find. Also, at least to me, it seems there's way less retards in EVE than in other popular games.

3. I don't consider it The Holy Grail of MMO's, I consider it the only MMO that piques my interest.

4. Shadowbane failed because of shitty programming, that happens all the time, even in the big titles. Please, don't even mention AoC or L2 in the same thread with DF ever again.

5. We are not the developers, nor do the developers care about what the fans think. God bless 'em for that.

Originally posted by Raston

The only things I'll add to this discussion (I'm an neither a fanboi or a troll, I really don't care one way or the other whether darkfall makes it or fails) are.

1) Full on PvP games tend to canibalize their own playerbase

2) Full on PvP games tend to attract the worst of the worst gamers (not all PvPers are bad, but the worst of them seem attracted to them as seen in AoC/SB)

 

What you are calling "full on" PvP is often referred to as FFA PvP, which means free for all. No rules, you can attack anyone, anywhere, anytime.

Darkfall isn't actually going to be FFA PvP, because if you attack someone, in certain situations the game will flag you and make it harder to progress in the game.

We won't know how harsh these PvP penalties will be, until we see the game. They could be anything from who cares, to screw PvP in the wrong situation, it's not worth it the penalty is so harsh.

Originally posted by radlin

Right now just before the inevitable release of this game is where I fully expect Darkfall to be at it's highest success.  Websites across the internet are full of hype, noise, bickering, and questions about this game which makes lot of promises not yet seen in a 3D mmo.  We have to go all the way back to the years when the Darktide server of Asherons Call and to the 2D Ultima Online before Trammel was ever added to see the sortof game play that Darkfall promises.

And now, I fully expect that Darkfall is close to its highest peak in its long history.  Hype.  If there is such a thing as 'The Great White Hype", then Darkfall is certainly "The Great Dark Hype".

And don't get angry about my predictions here.  They are honest and sincere.  I DO think that once Darkfall is released to the public, that it will fail miserably and the dropoff of its success from all of its years of hype will be a very sharp decline right after it does release.

A lot of you sit on the forums for months, even years yapping on and on and on about how great this game will be and how it will finally be the holy grail of mmo games to everyone who has desired a more challenging online experience.  So, what's wrong with me making this prediction now.. one that I fully believe will happen.

Every mmo game with even a fraction of this much hype and anticipation over the past seven years that was made by such a small unheard of group of developers has failed.  And it seems that the more attention that it got, the more hype it had, the harder it failed and the more it just plain out "sucked".

With Darkfall, this long into its development, and supposedly this close to it's launch, there is simply way too many unanswered questions by anyone that isn't sitting behind the doors of the Aventurine office seeing exactly what the Aventurine people want them to see.  Nobody else has seen the game outside of those offices, and certainly  nobody from an established and reputable position has seen anything about this game.  Unless ofcourse you want to include all the hype and promises.  There is way too much hype and promises and simply not nearly enough concrete truth about this game so close to its promised launch.

Do I think Darkfall will launch?  Yep, probably.  When?  I'd sure hope it does launch soon.  This hype machine has gone on way too long already.  It's more then time this game either delivers or dies.  I think we can figure where I stand on where I think this game will land.  I honestly believe that once this game is launched to the public, it will quickly become one of the most hyped up video game failures to EVER be launched.  It will become the butt of all video game jokes in the mmo community for years to come.  You fans want my reasons?  My reasons are simply the lack of real reasons to believe in this game.

The fall of Darkfall is coming...

 

Honest opinion no flamming... its a good post pretty much sums up my feelings.

Originally posted by sandboxy

Originally posted by Raston

The only things I'll add to this discussion (I'm an neither a fanboi or a troll, I really don't care one way or the other whether darkfall makes it or fails) are.

1) Full on PvP games tend to canibalize their own playerbase

2) Full on PvP games tend to attract the worst of the worst gamers (not all PvPers are bad, but the worst of them seem attracted to them as seen in AoC/SB)

3) The OP has a point, NOT in whether it will fail financially but rather idealisticly.  People (not the company) are setting DF up as the holy grail of MMOs.  They are setting their expectations to the point where they can not help but be disappointed when it comes out.  No niche game will ever be the savior of the MMO Genre.  This disappointment added to the the population the will attract will hamper DFs finanical future, though it may not cause it to 'fail' or be a 'failure' to anyone but those who set their opinions too high to start with.  I call this, managed expectations, something gamers are not very good with (myself included).  If you expect more than a game can give, you will never be happy with the game you get.  Thus it will be a failure, but in a way the game can't offset.

4) I really do hope the game is as good as those who wish to play it, want it.  I'm not going to hold my breath as past experience in this kind of game does not give me much confidence (I am a Shadowbane veteran and spent time in both L2 and AoC)

5) Don't be so quick to discount the opinions of others, perhaps if those who followed AoC and WAR had listened a bit more, perhaps those games would of been less of a 'failure' due to better managed expectations.  With better managed expectations, the games might of had the opportunity to start out smaller and then grow, rather than starting out big, only to shrink to a size the infrastructure was too big to support.

 

1&2. EVE, one of the best and most helpful MMO communities you'll find. Also, at least to me, it seems there's way less retards in EVE than in other popular games.

3. I don't consider it The Holy Grail of MMO's, I consider it the only MMO that piques my interest.

4. Shadowbane failed because of shitty programming, that happens all the time, even in the big titles. Please, don't even mention AoC or L2 in the same thread with DF ever again.

5. We are not the developers, nor do the developers care about what the fans think. God bless 'em for that.

Never really played EVE, tried it decided it wasn't for me and moved on.

3.  You may not, but I've seen countless others (though more in the past than now, I'll admit) think that this was going to be shadowbane the way it was meant to be.  Much the same way that people saw (including me) AoC (thus the mention).  I think of PvP games, L2 was probably one of the best so far, just their community was quite horrid.  But no, shadowbane didn't die due to shitty programming as you put it, they died due to the elitest attitude that the game brought in, I watched it happen.  Now, you might argue that it was the programming that brought out the exploits, but tell me, what MMO has been without exploits?  None, people are resourceful when they want to be and find ways to do things the programmers would of never thought of.  These are the people who would use any exploit they could to win, the community that would constantly wipe brand new players (just trying to get a foot hold in the world) till they decided the game wasn't worth their time and moved on(I saw this more than once, I was fortunate and had a guild there when I started).  The people who decided that those who couldn't handle that were just babies, never stopping to realize that those people where their future competition that never got to exist.  That is the type of mentality that FFA PvP brings, and even to some extend restricted PvP.  People can't get over the concept that just because you can do a thing, you shouldn't necessarily take the offer.  We as a gaming populace do not police ourselves very well and I've yet to see a PvP game that hasn't brought out this mentality.  Now, if this was a PvE game, I'd be right there with ya, I love the concepts they have spoke of, but I'm getting too old to deal with all the epeens these PvP centric games bring in...

5) I'm not talking about the developers here, I'm talking about personal expectations.  One persons opinions and their own personal disappointment when the game doesn't meet them.  If PEOPLE set the expectations too high, then they will almost always be disappointed, it doesn't matter if it is a game, a sporting event, a new job, anythign in life, if your expecations are too high, then you will be disappointed and will often not see the pluses, only what isn't there (I've fallen to this numberous times, so I am not without this fault too).

As someone else mentioned above, there are apparently going to be some restrictions on PvP, that would probably help, but the hard core PvPers (the very ones who destroyed the future of SB and whined and complained about restrictions in AoC) will find it a disappointment, not that that is a bad thing, but it is something else to consider.  I remember back before launch, they wanted full PvP, cities included in AoC, no safe places, because they wouldn't have had to go anywhere to gank people.  You will get the same whiners here too and I hope the devs DON'T cave into them for the sake of the game.

Like I said before, I hope the game is good and that it doesn't fail economically (even though I do not intend to play it), I just don't have the patience for PvP games anymore...

Why I should be hyped if there is not even an official release date? Most of the people dont follow game developments. Most of this nerd rage you see on these forums are not the mayority. Until I don't see any official statement about a release date I don't even bother looking for more info other than the one available in the official website. It's that simple.

Originally posted by arkady09

Its going to have to fail pretty badly to beat AoC in the butt of mmo jokes arena.

AoC is the new benchmark in EPIC FAILURE.

Umm you forget the game Dark and Light... that is an Epic Failure, at least AoC has lasted longer, and will probably last longer than DnL, AA & TR

Originally posted by Starbear

Originally posted by arkady09

Its going to have to fail pretty badly to beat AoC in the butt of mmo jokes arena.

AoC is the new benchmark in EPIC FAILURE.

 Umm you forget the game Dark and Light... that is an Epic Failure, at least AoC has lasted longer, and will probably last longer than DnL, AA & TR

My thoughts exactly.

Bit cheeky of the OP to come in at the final hour and start making predictions when its so obvious now, this has been a train wreck in slow motion since 2003, people have been calling it for 5 years already.

Even if i have to wait untill end of days, ill keep hoping it will be released sooner or later.

And with last gameplay movie im convinced i wait for a superb pvpgame pve game and top notch grafhipcs

I've been following Darkfall for a few years now.   Its concept is very interesting and I'm going to try it.   I don't usually follow the doom and gloom predictions on this site because regardless of which game they refer to, they are constant, and relentless in their effort to stir potential players away from "not yet released" games for whatever reason.   How they know what a game will be like before playing it, I do not know.   The developer may be too big, or small, or unknown, or they give out too much information, or not enough, or it is rumored to be ladden with bugs, or it must be bugged because, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

Case in point, Vanguard.  Had I listened to the naysayers, I would have missed out on a great game that although initially bugged, as so many new releases are, was thoroughly enjoyable and kept me entertained for a whole year before I moved on to LOTRO, another great game by the way.

Go to a game's official site.  Read what they have to say.  If you like what you see.. play it and judge for yourself.  The first month is usually free anyway.  So what have you got to lose, the price of the box?  If you have been waiting for a long time, that's not so bad.   Read the hype and doom and gloom here for amusement's sake, but never bypass an unreleased game with a concept that attracts you because of predictions you read here.  Half the time, they are imbued with biases that are not necessarily attuned with your own expectations.

Just my 2 cents and have a great day.

Reahanon  WOW! I like your style