Right now just before the inevitable release of this game is where I fully expect Darkfall to be at it's highest success.  Websites across the internet are full of hype, noise, bickering, and questions about this game which makes lot of promises not yet seen in a 3D mmo.  We have to go all the way back to the years when the Darktide server of Asherons Call and to the 2D Ultima Online before Trammel was ever added to see the sortof game play that Darkfall promises.

And now, I fully expect that Darkfall is close to its highest peak in its long history.  Hype.  If there is such a thing as 'The Great White Hype", then Darkfall is certainly "The Great Dark Hype".

And don't get angry about my predictions here.  They are honest and sincere.  I DO think that once Darkfall is released to the public, that it will fail miserably and the dropoff of its success from all of its years of hype will be a very sharp decline right after it does release.

A lot of you sit on the forums for months, even years yapping on and on and on about how great this game will be and how it will finally be the holy grail of mmo games to everyone who has desired a more challenging online experience.  So, what's wrong with me making this prediction now.. one that I fully believe will happen.

Every mmo game with even a fraction of this much hype and anticipation over the past seven years that was made by such a small unheard of group of developers has failed.  And it seems that the more attention that it got, the more hype it had, the harder it failed and the more it just plain out "sucked".

With Darkfall, this long into its development, and supposedly this close to it's launch, there is simply way too many unanswered questions by anyone that isn't sitting behind the doors of the Aventurine office seeing exactly what the Aventurine people want them to see.  Nobody else has seen the game outside of those offices, and certainly  nobody from an established and reputable position has seen anything about this game.  Unless ofcourse you want to include all the hype and promises.  There is way too much hype and promises and simply not nearly enough concrete truth about this game so close to its promised launch.

Do I think Darkfall will launch?  Yep, probably.  When?  I'd sure hope it does launch soon.  This hype machine has gone on way too long already.  It's more then time this game either delivers or dies.  I think we can figure where I stand on where I think this game will land.  I honestly believe that once this game is launched to the public, it will quickly become one of the most hyped up video game failures to EVER be launched.  It will become the butt of all video game jokes in the mmo community for years to come.  You fans want my reasons?  My reasons are simply the lack of real reasons to believe in this game.

The fall of Darkfall is coming...

WOW.  and people wonder why the fans here call so many people trolls....

If people would post their thoughts in a well thought out way that actually resembled a thought process and discussion like you did...... then we may actually have good discussion on these boards.  Instead we get the tenspottings, RMs, etc of the world posting one liners and random nonsense.

All very good points OP.  However being the obvious fan that I am, I disgree with you on some points. 

One thing I share a different view on, which is comming straight from the naysayers, is that this game is "well known as vaporware and crap etc"  so I think to the general public who doesnt follow the day to day updates of this game...the hype is low and expectations are low.  IF the game comes out well...that will cause a huge spike in interest of people going "wow it released?  and its good?!?!?!?"

Open Beta will tell the tale of this game.  And it should be comming soon so hopefully we will see how accurate your prediction is.  Hopefully this thread is civil enough so you can bump it if you are right, or I can bump it when you are wrong :)

Anyways thank you for taking the time to voice your opinion in a well thought out way.  Some people around here could learn a lesson from you.

Play the game when it is released OP.

I will read your review after.

Its going to have to fail pretty badly to beat AoC in the butt of mmo jokes arena.

AoC is the new benchmark in EPIC FAILURE.

Originally posted by arkady09

Its going to have to fail pretty badly to beat AoC in the butt of mmo jokes arena.

AoC is the new benchmark in EPIC FAILURE.

Yep and this too.  I really get a laugh out of people who still defend that game, and shake my head at people who still give them money.  No matter how good the game becomes, no one should support a company that did what they did.  DF could launch and be the worst game ever and it really wouldnt be as bad as AoC.

Only way DF becomes more of a joke is if they cancel and never release.  Which I can guarentee you is not going to happen.  Spare me the "omg you are not god so you cant know that"...trust me, I know.

AoC is pretty far from the worst ever - it's just the most recent.

Dark and Light and/or Mourning hold the crown IMO (and honestly the saga of Dark and Light and Darkfall are very similar - hopefully the end is not so much).

 I think people are overhyping the hype....

Age of Conan and WAR hype was heard throughout the industry. Even the WoW players who didn't know there was an MMORPG gengre, only WoW, heard echoes of AoC hype, and the following failure. 

Darkfall is really only whispered hopefully between people who have been waiting for a real MMO since the regression of the industry following WoW's release. 

Have you played it? If not thats a pretty assumption.

Originally posted by SignusM

 I think people are overhyping the hype....

 

Age of Conan and WAR hype was heard throughout the industry. Even the WoW players who didn't know there was an MMORPG gengre, only WoW, heard echoes of AoC hype, and the following failure. 

 

Darkfall is really only whispered hopefully between people who have been waiting for a real MMO since the regression of the industry following WoW's release. 

Yes this is exactly what I mean.   It is the trolls who are playing this overhype card and it is getting old.

I mean seriously do you ever see even a minority of the fanbase going around and typing "oh holy tasos has proclaimed this game to be the best and it is mark my words".  Of course not...most of the fans are also skeptics but we have a little more faith in taking what the developers say as truth while others cry conspiracy.

This game is definitely not overhyped.  It is underhyped and if anything has the lowest expectations by the general public that a game has had in a long time.

As far as I can tell, Darkfall has had little hype(relatively).  Mostly, the reasoun you hear about it, is the avid fans who eagerly await its release, and are so pumped that they can't help but share.  And you know what?  That's niether a bad thing, nor something that I haven't done myself.  As far as I'm concerned, if Darkfall stabilizes at 3 million subs, it will still be a success because that is about a 5-10% chunk of the total MMO market.  AoC's failure was more noticeable because of the amount of hype yes, if it hadn''t been hyped, it would have just been another un of the mill MMO with over the top graphics, but not the epic failure that it is today. 

I don't see that in Darkfall-and even though I'm not much of a fan, Darkfall already has a VERY strong following which might not be as large as AoC's, but will give a player core to the game when it's released and hopefully encourage more people to play it.

Trolish thread subject ...looks like something to look for...

Then the letdown  the usual  and common argument  line ....

It gets over hyped .....wait doesn't trolls don't tell everyone everyday that the game is unkown and build by unknown developers ?and has bad reputation ?

So what now ?

Then the prediction it will fail ..thats usual  "hate  before play and predict it will fail" mentality over here ...

But why exactly it will fail ? right  OP has no answer for this other then the hype it gets before release ..

Here it gets really difficult ..cause does not many trolls and haters agree the game is not worth and has bad reputation...

You get it...a circular talk in OP....

and fail to give anything worth as to why it will happen like the trollish subject suggest ..

Originally posted by Pezhead

As far as I can tell, Darkfall has had little hype(relatively).  Mostly, the reasoun you hear about it, is the avid fans who eagerly await its release, and are so pumped that they can't help but share.  And you know what?  That's niether a bad thing, nor something that I haven't done myself.  As far as I'm concerned, if Darkfall stabilizes at 3 million subs, it will still be a success because that is about a 5-10% chunk of the total MMO market.  AoC's failure was more noticeable because of the amount of hype yes, if it hadn''t been hyped, it would have just been another un of the mill MMO with over the top graphics, but not the epic failure that it is today. 

I don't see that in Darkfall-and even though I'm not much of a fan, Darkfall already has a VERY strong following which might not be as large as AoC's, but will give a player core to the game when it's released and hopefully encourage more people to play it.

DF will not have 3mil subs ever.  The market just does not have enough gamers in it that can stomach full loot pvp.  Not a bad thing but the devs didnt develop this game to be that big...they had a fun concept in mind and they are gamers at heart.

DF must achieve eve-esque numbers to be considered a success...and since it is in the fantasy genre it has the potential to do a lot more than EVE if it has a smooth release and has the promised features in it.

I would say a max active sub number is 1mil...an absolute max.

Well I can't remember the last time I played a game and got that tingly excited feeling. So I'm willing to give this game a chance, hell I gave AoC a chance.

Originally posted by Pezhead

  As far as I'm concerned, if Darkfall stabilizes at 3 million subs, it will still be a success because that is about a 5-10% chunk of the total MMO market.  

I think this is a big misconception with many developers here. A game is a success if it has say, 500k subs. That is good, that is damn good. 

WoW, is an outlier. Its not a goal you can shoot for. WoW grabbed up all the casuals and they aren't going anywhere but WoW. You can make a game as similar as you want, but they aren't going to leave WoW for your game. The real MMO pool developers can shoot for is about 1 million. 

(that and about 8 million of the WoW subs are from Asia, how many are bots? :P)

Heh, you're right, lol.  Yeah 3 mill is actually fairly large lol.  300k wouldn't be bad by any means,.

Originally posted by Pezhead

As far as I can tell, Darkfall has had little hype(relatively).  Mostly, the reasoun you hear about it, is the avid fans who eagerly await its release, and are so pumped that they can't help but share.  And you know what?  That's niether a bad thing, nor something that I haven't done myself.  As far as I'm concerned, if Darkfall stabilizes at 3 million subs, it will still be a success because that is about a 5-10% chunk of the total MMO market.  AoC's failure was more noticeable because of the amount of hype yes, if it hadn''t been hyped, it would have just been another un of the mill MMO with over the top graphics, but not the epic failure that it is today. 

I don't see that in Darkfall-and even though I'm not much of a fan, Darkfall already has a VERY strong following which might not be as large as AoC's, but will give a player core to the game when it's released and hopefully encourage more people to play it.

"if darkfall stabalizes at 3 million subs...."

Surely you are kidding.  If it has a few hundred thousand subs this game will be a huge success for such a small developer.  3 million.....even for the most hardcore follower, that is a pipe dream.

To the OP:

You write that people spend time yapping on and on and on about the game.. Well at least these people have something constructive to say or write - they talk about something they are excited about!

 You, on the other hand, spend your time bitching and being negative!

I feel sorry for you

Originally posted by andmiller

Originally posted by Pezhead

As far as I can tell, Darkfall has had little hype(relatively).  Mostly, the reasoun you hear about it, is the avid fans who eagerly await its release, and are so pumped that they can't help but share.  And you know what?  That's niether a bad thing, nor something that I haven't done myself.  As far as I'm concerned, if Darkfall stabilizes at 3 million subs, it will still be a success because that is about a 5-10% chunk of the total MMO market.  AoC's failure was more noticeable because of the amount of hype yes, if it hadn''t been hyped, it would have just been another un of the mill MMO with over the top graphics, but not the epic failure that it is today. 

I don't see that in Darkfall-and even though I'm not much of a fan, Darkfall already has a VERY strong following which might not be as large as AoC's, but will give a player core to the game when it's released and hopefully encourage more people to play it.

 

"if darkfall stabalizes at 3 million subs...."

 

Surely you are kidding.  If it has a few hundred thousand subs this game will be a huge success for such a small developer.  3 million.....even for the most hardcore follower, that is a pipe dream.

Read the post above you.

Originally posted by Thomas2641

To the OP:

You write that people spend time yapping on and on and on about the game.. Well at least these people have something constructive to say or write - they talk about something they are excited about!

 You, on the other hand, spend your time bitching and being negative!

 

I feel sorry for you

 

 

 

 

OP was sharing his opinions in a reasonable and interesting way, and only a fanboi/troll would see it any different. These forums are for discussing things and your post brought nothing to the table.  Epic fail.

Back on topic.  I have to agree with others, if there has been any hype it certainly hasn't come from Aventurine, but rather from the fans who've posted for years about the game.

While this seems quite loud to we who follow these forums, in reality the general gaming public has hardly heard of this game, and I assure you, out there, its not over-hyped.

The biggest challenge for Aventurine will be getting the word out.  The failthful followers will all come of course, but to really draw some decent numbers, they need to advertise somehow.

But if niche numbers are all they are after (under 500k) then the current course of action will suffice I'm sure.

Originally posted by imbant

WOW.  and people wonder why the fans here call so many people trolls....

If people would post their thoughts in a well thought out way that actually resembled a thought process and discussion like you did...... then we may actually have good discussion on these boards.  Instead we get the tenspottings, RMs, etc of the world posting one liners and random nonsense.

All very good points OP.  However being the obvious fan that I am, I disgree with you on some points. 

One thing I share a different view on, which is comming straight from the naysayers, is that this game is "well known as vaporware and crap etc"  so I think to the general public who doesnt follow the day to day updates of this game...the hype is low and expectations are low.  IF the game comes out well...that will cause a huge spike in interest of people going "wow it released?  and its good?!?!?!?"

Open Beta will tell the tale of this game.  And it should be comming soon so hopefully we will see how accurate your prediction is.  Hopefully this thread is civil enough so you can bump it if you are right, or I can bump it when you are wrong :)

Anyways thank you for taking the time to voice your opinion in a well thought out way.  Some people around here could learn a lesson from you.

 Most gamers dont' know about DF, but if and when it releases, they'll do a quick google on it, find this forum where everyone yells at each other can calls everyone a troll, and decide to pass on DF.