Originally posted by Sharajat

Originally posted by Enigma

Democratic Politicians = Not too bright. Marxists. Living Disney Cartoons and thinks the world is like Starfleet.

Republican Politicians = Greedy and Snobbish

Independents = On the right track.

Anyone who gets upset at independents really need to get over it because that's going to be the future. More and more will become independent.

I, on the other hand, like pie/

Independents are on the right track?  Who?  The green party?  Don't make me laugh.  The Libertarians?  Ahahaha!  Maybe the good ol' constitution party?  

Wow.  Independents, on the right track.  Their train is a permanent fixture on the station platform! 

how can the green/libertarian party be independant, if they are in a party? I always thought independant = no political party affiliation.

Originally posted by declaredemer

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Most Americans do not know that the world wants a piece of their sweet American ass.  They do not know this, and God willing, will never know this. They will just live in motion.

 

The Bush disgrace, however, shocks me because this is deliberate.  This is not a coincidence; this is the world community saying, FU, Bush.  It is underrated, underreported because the public does not realize the significance, the size of this rebuke. 

 

Since once again you have trolled the forums using your all-too-familiar techniques, I thought I would share this with you:

Oops, it's all a fabrication.

It's only 2 min long and gives you the whole story.  It also goes to show how declaredemer plays all of you to stroke his ego, or whatever he strokes when he gets so many to continuously respond to his threads.

Originally posted by Enigma

you do know the elections are over, declaredemer

time to get off of your little soap box now.

I LOL'ed at this.  What is that saying?   Something about a kettle and a color...

Originally posted by konrad16660

The banks lost the money? What? The peoples money.  Oh yea, that is right.  The bankers have the peoples' money and they are still making out like bandits.  They are getting paid their bonuses and thier high salaries still.  The only people that are really hurting are the people.  Look at the car bailout situation right now.  The CEO's all refused to sell their private jets if they were issued the bailout.  They are still living in style.  They wouldn't even compromise by flying first class back to Detroit.  I would be exited to fly first class, but they feel that it is "below them".  The people are getting the brunt of what is going on.

*sigh* im not backing the CEOs but they run a world wide company. They cant wait on a commerical jet t o go from New York to say Paris or something for a big meeting. These things are used to get people to meetings most of the time or to fly in clients for stuff.

So my dad worked at ford coprate for awhile and his Nissan rep who we had dinner with last night also worked for them. The big 3 have been diggin themselves this whole for over 30 years. The UAW has done nothing to help, they force most of the outsourcing becuase of some of their insane demands. Saw they want to deunionzie a plant and pay 15/hr instead of 30/hr, UAW says screw you will shut down your plants. Thats why they have been going to china and mexico.

Originally posted by daeandor

Originally posted by declaredemer

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Most Americans do not know that the world wants a piece of their sweet American ass.  They do not know this, and God willing, will never know this. They will just live in motion.

 

The Bush disgrace, however, shocks me because this is deliberate.  This is not a coincidence; this is the world community saying, FU, Bush.  It is underrated, underreported because the public does not realize the significance, the size of this rebuke. 

 

 

Since once again you have trolled the forums using your all-too-familiar techniques, I thought I would share this with you:

Oops, it's all a fabrication.

 

It's only 2 min long and gives you the whole story.  It also goes to show how declaredemer plays all of you to stroke his ego, or whatever he strokes when he gets so many to continuously respond to his threads.

Owned ,move along, nothing more to see here.
 

Hey, I am relying on the great Rick Sanchez. 

I cannot believe Argentina's president arrived late!  She just seized pension assets, and I am going there for holiday soon.  I am a little nervous. Rofl.

It seems as if Mr. Sanchez to the daily show the world of bloggers to posters on MMORPG were all duped; but not exactly.  He was not shaking their hands, and it was reasonable to conclude it was a rebuke considering his (a) record and (b) lame duck status.

Originally posted by BushMonkey

Originally posted by daeandor

Originally posted by declaredemer

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Most Americans do not know that the world wants a piece of their sweet American ass.  They do not know this, and God willing, will never know this. They will just live in motion.

 

The Bush disgrace, however, shocks me because this is deliberate.  This is not a coincidence; this is the world community saying, FU, Bush.  It is underrated, underreported because the public does not realize the significance, the size of this rebuke. 

 

 

Since once again you have trolled the forums using your all-too-familiar techniques, I thought I would share this with you:

Oops, it's all a fabrication.

 

It's only 2 min long and gives you the whole story.  It also goes to show how declaredemer plays all of you to stroke his ego, or whatever he strokes when he gets so many to continuously respond to his threads.

Owned ,move along, nothing more to see here.
 

Well, as I said above when I first saw the thing, if you just actually WATCHED the video you could see Bush wasn't being snubbed. A snub is when YOU extend your hand, and the other guy blows you off. Bush didn't even look up or meet eye contact, much less stick a hand out. As I said, if anyone was snubbing anyone, BUSH was snubbing THEM. Turns out, neither was the case, but there was no way a responsible, thoughtful person could watch that video and even THINK Bush was being snubbed.

This is why I questioned it from the beginning.

Originally posted by Arndur

*sigh* im not backing the CEOs but they run a world wide company. They cant wait on a commerical jet t o go from New York to say Paris or something for a big meeting. These things are used to get people to meetings most of the time or to fly in clients for stuff.

This is where I disagree with you, yes they most certainly can wait just like the rest of us.  What do these guys actually do? The head of GM doesn't even know how much cash GM would need to survive through the year. He didn't even have an estimation of how much it could be. Isn't it their job to know these kinds of things?

Some of us have jobs where we have to deal with incompetent people who are President's and CEO's of companies, and we know what a joke they are. And how if they dropped dead tomorrow, the company would be just fine. Hell, it would probably be better off.  I'm telling you, it's corporate morons who make the decisions for companies today and it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.

/end rant

Originally posted by Slythe

it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.

Shockingly, and surprisingly, a lot of truth to that.

Look to Obama's pick for U.S. Treasury, e.g., an total insider.  Worked previously in the Treasury, now is the head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank (sits as Vice Chairman of the FOMC), and is going back to Treasury.  Worrisome is that he is on the architects of the bail-out bill and originally wanted to bail-out Lehman Brothers. 

It is a revolving door of going into banking and treasury.  

I think one of the major reasons why so many people dislike USA is because americans, accourding to media and people online, seem to assume USA is thebest country, the world leader and the land with the most freedom. This in turn makes everyone outside and also some of the people in the US think that those silly americans must see everything in black and white as well as be poorly educated.

When you say freedom, I think of something close to anarchy, but we all now that such pure freedom would only be damaging for us as human beings as we are simply far too selfish. Is USA a country of freedom? That depends entirely on what you view freedom as as, USA is a nice country but I wouldn't say it has as much freedom as some people want to claim it has.

Its not like USA is the only country either where a nobody can climb up and become a wealthy millionare anyways.

Also

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Slythe

it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.

 

Shockingly, and surprisingly, a lot of truth to that.

 

Look to Obama's pick for U.S. Treasury, e.g., an total insider.  Worked previously in the Treasury, now is the head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank (sits as Vice Chairman of the FOMC), and is going back to Treasury.  Worrisome is that he is on the architects of the bail-out bill and originally wanted to bail-out Lehman Brothers. 

 

It is a revolving door of going into banking and treasury.  

When I read things like this, I just facepalm as it shows the prejudice that people have when it comes to people without jobs.

Guess what, people aren't as lazy as you like to think. It's not fun to be without a job, I know no  one what wants to be without a job for longer periods of time.  Having free time all day long might seem fun at first, but after a few weeks, it wont be so funny anymore and this applies to alot of people I think.

It's not as easy to get a job as you like to think, it all really depends on where you live (Which affects which jobs there is and  if there is any at all), your looks (When it comes to interviews, looks, speech, body language and such matters more than your grades in school), contacts (Knowing people that can put in a good word for you helps alot, you'll probably get a job even though there are people  with better grades and qualities seeking the same job) as well as earlier job experience.

I know it's easy to just lump it all together and say everyone is lazy who can't get a job, but it's not as easy as you think, especially when you're a young teenager with no earlier experience with interiews, jobs and such. Not everyone has a car either which means that you can't always get a job at the other side  of town.

Originally posted by Efrath

I think one of the major reasons why so many people dislike USA is because americans, accourding to media and people online, seem to assume USA is thebest country, the world leader and the land with the most freedom. This in turn makes everyone outside and also some of the people in the US think that those silly americans must see everything in black and white as well as be poorly educated.

When you say freedom, I think of something close to anarchy, but we all now that such pure freedom would only be damaging for us as human beings as we are simply far too selfish. Is USA a country of freedom? That depends entirely on what you view freedom as as, USA is a nice country but I wouldn't say it has as much freedom as some people want to claim it has.

Its not like USA is the only country either where a nobody can climb up and become a wealthy millionare anyways.

Also

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Slythe

it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.

 

Shockingly, and surprisingly, a lot of truth to that.

 

Look to Obama's pick for U.S. Treasury, e.g., an total insider.  Worked previously in the Treasury, now is the head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank (sits as Vice Chairman of the FOMC), and is going back to Treasury.  Worrisome is that he is on the architects of the bail-out bill and originally wanted to bail-out Lehman Brothers. 

 

It is a revolving door of going into banking and treasury.  

 

When I read things like this, I just facepalm as it shows the prejudice that people have when it comes to people without jobs.

Guess what, people aren't as lazy as you like to think. It's not fun to be without a job, I know no  one what wants to be without a job for longer periods of time.  Having free time all day long might seem fun at first, but after a few weeks, it wont be so funny anymore and this applies to alot of people I think.

It's not as easy to get a job as you like to think, it all really depends on where you live (Which affects which jobs there is and  if there is any at all), your looks (When it comes to interviews, looks, speech, body language and such matters more than your grades in school), contacts (Knowing people that can put in a good word for you helps alot, you'll probably get a job even though there are people  with better grades and qualities seeking the same job) as well as earlier job experience.

I know it's easy to just lump it all together and say everyone is lazy who can't get a job, but it's not as easy as you think, especially when you're a young teenager with no earlier experience with interiews, jobs and such. Not everyone has a car either which means that you can't always get a job at the other side  of town.

If people are too selfish to be free, then they are too selfish to be trusted with big government.

Originally posted by Efrath

When I read things like this, I just facepalm as it shows the prejudice that people have when it comes to people without jobs.

Guess what, people aren't as lazy as you like to think. It's not fun to be without a job, I know no  one what wants to be without a job for longer periods of time.  Having free time all day long might seem fun at first, but after a few weeks, it wont be so funny anymore and this applies to alot of people I think.

It's not as easy to get a job as you like to think, it all really depends on where you live (Which affects which jobs there is and  if there is any at all), your looks (When it comes to interviews, looks, speech, body language and such matters more than your grades in school), contacts (Knowing people that can put in a good word for you helps alot, you'll probably get a job even though there are people  with better grades and qualities seeking the same job) as well as earlier job experience.

I know it's easy to just lump it all together and say everyone is lazy who can't get a job, but it's not as easy as you think, especially when you're a young teenager with no earlier experience with interiews, jobs and such. Not everyone has a car either which means that you can't always get a job at the other side  of town.

Our entire society is on the back of fixed-income, wage-earning Americans.  We once were a country of farmers, small business owners, and so forth.  We were innovators.  From Benjamin Frankling to Thomas Edison - actually, George Washington was the first to employ crop rotation on his land.  He not only was a farmer but had multiple small businesses.

Today, when people get pedigrees and want to work for Fortune 500 companies is that is where the money is.  The Willie Sutton rule, - why did you rob banks? That is where the money is.  The tax incentives, bonus, ESOP (employee stock options plans) and so forth are where people make money.  Most money is in trusts, where it is free from taxation, and also in offshore accounts.  The reason why the accounts are not repatriated, or the capital, into the United States is - taxes.  Many wealthy people know execute wills in foreign countries to avoid the costs associated with probate, and taxes, in the United States - you can create multiple testamentary trusts through a will as well.

The point?  The point is that in our society, if the workers stopped working, the government stops taxing - and it goes broke.  Of course we need people to think they will "get rich" by working hard; the harder they work with their fixed incomes, the more taxes they pay.  We want worker bees.  We, honestly, need worker bees in this country.

Have you heard of the plum book?

Let's say you were politically connected.  You get get someone elected.  Well, Barack Obama, and every new President, will literally about about 3,000 to 7,000 new hires for every new administration.  You get federal salary, federal days off, federal benefits, and so forth.  Non-contributory retirement plans, meaning only the taxpayer contributes to your pension, and you also get options for contributory plans.  

The salaries are not good, but when you evaluate the perks and benefits, it is a great gig.

It is not that you are lazy.

It is that you are not connected.  The best jobs you do not apply for, per se, but basically arrange to get hired pre-interview.  The interview is supposed to be just ... a motion... breaking the ice.  Not a weed-out opportunity for the employer.

I do not know how you guys do it.  Those who work like 8 hours plus a day, five days a week.

I have never been "fully employed" my entire life, and I managed over ten million dollars in assets while in Business School.  I worked, ironically, less than when I managed that portfolio then ever before.  In fact, the only time I have worked "hard" was grad/prof school.

Your hard work will only take you so far.  There is no good answers or advice other than saying what you already know - be a fireman.  My God, go and be a fireman. Or a doctor.  Fireman work one day, get off two, and then get a week-long vacation every month.  You are off of work more than you work, and while at work you are eating good food, working out, and watching football.  Doctors are rich, and you have tremendous flexibility with your hours.  One of my doctors does not work on Monday or Fridays ,and he is a professional runner in his spare time.  He like does all these marathon things like where people are sponsored by corporations to do it.  It is his hobby he has so much time.

You need to do self-discovery and do what YOU love, not what others love, and pursue it. 

Life, the pressures you experience now, only get more pronounced as you get older.  And you will find that you "need" more things and "need" money even more as you get older.  Your personal expenses rise.  You might think you will just get an apartment, small one, internet access, and you will be set.  Oh, no, not in this country.  Not when inflation will eat-away at your earnings, and savings. 

You need to jump on that worker machine and give it your all.  HOpefully, when you jump, you jump onto something that you love and enjoy doing!

Originally posted by declaredemer 

 Hopefully, when you jump, you jump onto something that you love and enjoy doing!

 

Your talking about a job here....Right. I kinda hope your not.

Originally posted by declaredemer

Now that I look past, it seems I've misread as neither you or the one you qouted  were talking about lazy people, my bad there. I just keep seeing many people, both here in Sweden where I live and alot of americans online that claims that the majority of the people without a job are just a bunch of lazy sods which kinda gets tiring, because once people start saying that people without jobs are lazy, they'll start stereotyping on what kind of person the jobless man is (Of course, people that play videogames gets pushed into this cathergory).

Anyways, I'm not going to argue with almost anything in your post as I agree with most of it, except with the weeding out. An employer has to weed out, more or less between all the applications and thus goes  for  looks, earlier working experience and such as they want to be sure they're hiring someone that will work hard, or at least good. That's the only thing I disagree with though. 

I suppose for a regular job the interview is, appropriately, a weed-out process.

Edit:  I actually got a regular job, once, while in high school. R o f l.  Two of my friends got one, and I just went along with them.  I did an interview, did not get an offer, but then as the interview was ending, I explained that my other friends are going to work here, and that I was travelling with them, etc. and then I was "hired."  I quit three weeks, maybe two, later.  I was going crazy.  And as I was leaving, this place that did not want to hire me, maybe I was 15, they tried to offer me a promotion to get me to stay.  Here, at 15, a supervisor when all these supervisors were college students.  Anyway, just a funny story.  lol.

The job you want you probably do not apply for it unless it is a matter of course.  You want to get hired, already, before you apply and interview.

The job you want, most likely, will not even be posted somewhere as available.  You want, if you are going to play this worker game, skills so advanced and specialized that wealthy people make the job for you.

You need to evaluate your skill set, desires, goals, etc.  Just applying for jobs is going to lead to trouble.  

Or go be a firefighter.

Originally posted by declaredemer

China is not a threat to the United States;

Not a threat?

China winning cyber war, Congress warned
Panel says China in a position to delay or disrupt the deployment of America's military forces around the world
www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/20/china-us-military-hacking

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Sharajat

Independents are on the right track?  Who?  The green party?  Don't make me laugh.  The Libertarians?  Ahahaha!  Maybe the good ol' constitution party?  

Wow.  Independents, on the right track.  Their train is a permanent fixture on the station platform! 

 

The Green Party is not the Independent Party. The Green Party is the Green Party. Learn your politics first before you reply :)

Um, independents are any party not in the big two.  I think you need to understand the terminology better  There is no "Independent Party."  You could be referring to the American Independent Party, but then you'd  fail to define what the hell you were talking about than expecting us all to read your mind (and sorry, even if I could, I don't like magazines).

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