www.youtube.com/watch

Most Americans do not know that the world wants a piece of their sweet American ass.  They do not know this, and God willing, will never know this. They will just live in motion.

The Bush disgrace, however, shocks me because this is deliberate.  This is not a coincidence; this is the world community saying, FU, Bush.  It is underrated, underreported because the public does not realize the significance, the size of this rebuke. 

The EU leaders already had a summit with him.

Originally posted by Precusor

The EU leaders already had a summit with him.

A summit that accomplished nothing (repeat: nothing).  It is totally irrelevant of a successful, or failed, summit; if anything, the failed summit shows we, in the USA, lost clout.

I hope, and pray, Obama can recover.  I like the USA as the world leader, but we need a new leadership where countries from Japan to Canada defend themselves.  We are broke; bleeding; and bankrupt.

It is time for wealthy countries to step-up.

Hate to break this to you but, the world hasn't loved the USA for a long time before Bush.  I don't want to be liked by Iran, North Korea, the UN, Cuba, Chaves, and hoards of other currupt evil entities. If they start to like us then we are going in the wrong direction.

Originally posted by Vemoi

Hate to break this to you but, the world hasn't loved the USA for a long time before Bush. 

The world envies, or used to, envy the USA.

The more freedom we lose, and more broke we become, the more like the rest of the world we become.

Unfortunately, as we become more like the rest of the world, the less respect we will hold.  WE have to be Americans again, and pro-American, otherwise will ... fail. Hard.  No one is here to bail us out.  You, on the other hand, via the Police Power, are too generous by allowing your money to be taxed via the Treasury and transferred to wealthy people.  

Let's get serious.  Let's get American.  Let's rebuild.  Let's grow.  Let's build our middle-class UP again.  Let's have a powerful citizenry. 

How many of YOUR politicians want that?  How many want a powerful middle-class, and how many see the middle-class as a cow to take cash from?  You used to be powerful.  Very powerful.  Now ... no one will shake your hand.  You cannot bomb them ... they bomb back.  Yes.  They do, and will.  Economically, and even militarily.  Time to rebuild America.  Time to be Americans - again.  Time to focus on our own health care, education, and transportation.  Time to prosper...

Why is there a price deflation?

Bankers control the currency.

What?
They are hoarding the capital.

So?

The public, like YOU reading this, cannot access loans, credit, and so forth.

So?
So... you cannot get cash.

So?
That means the currency is deflating. Less of it, means, the demand rises, the price for it, like all commodities goes up.

I thought the Treasury just made TRILLIONS of dollars?

They did.

What?

But bankers are hoarding it.

What?

When they use those trillions to buy up your shit mortgage and very, very low priced assets in the USA, PRICES WILL SKY ROCKET.  I mean, huge inflation.

WHAT = you mean that we are deflating but will inflate soon?
Yes.

What?

YOU lost 9 trillion dollars in the stock market in months to bail out bankers.  You did not get YOUR money back.  The bankers will leave Obama with, maybe, 350 billion.

What?
I doubt 350 billion is enough to bail YOU out.

But?

What?

Good luck!

Edit: most people think their mortage, or deed, is in the vault at the bank. LOL.  Your mortgage was sold.  Even if the govenment buys your mortage, you will pay the guy twice:  (1) through government and (2) through interest and principal payments.

No way YOU will win.

Trust me. 

Prove me otherwise.  Please. God willing, I hope you do.  Swear it.

Codicil

In case you missed it:

Market LOST 9 trillion.

Bankers got 5 trillion.

Just in case you lost it, worth mentioning.

Originally posted by declaredemer 

The more freedom we lose, and more broke we become, the more like the rest of the world we become.

I suppose we should prepare for the worse then. If this is your reasoning, then we will be hated even more so under Obama.

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by declaredemer 

The more freedom we lose, and more broke we become, the more like the rest of the world we become.

I suppose we should prepare for the worse then. If this is your reasoning, then we will be hated even more so under Obama.

On the contrary, I think Obama will be a more effective, and responsible, steward of the country's resources.  We have many opportunities to cut waste, halt unnecessary government growth, and contribute to developing the private sector that everyone depends on. 

Obama seems committed to doing an effective job at being President. 

We just have to wait and see.

Edit:  I should not have said debt.  Look at China.  Serious savers.  No debt.  Surplus.  

China has enough money to handle any economic downturn; is contributing to building its nation's infrastructure; and is a serious saver. 

It is a strange way we need to stop behaving like this big swinging you know what and get humble and behave like a third world country:  (a) stop attacking everyone, (b) rebuild our infrastructure, and (c) begin to reward work and savings.

Otherwise we will have so much debt we will go broke.  Oops.  We are there - now.

you do know the elections are over, declaredemer

time to get off of your little soap box now.

Originally posted by declaredemer 

On the contrary, I think Obama will be a more effective, and responsible, steward of the country's resources. 

I don't want to get in any arguments based on his policies, but (there is always a but ) with him wanting to throw large amounts of cash at non-taxpayers and his comments stating we should ignore the deficit for the next few years, I do not see him as a responsible steward of resources. He will bankrupt this country completely.

Many claim him surren...errr ending the Iraq war will save billions, but they fail to realize he wishes to use those resources to fight in various parts of Africa (Dafur, etc.).

Edit: With that said, I am done. As Enigma is above (and possibly everyone else), I am sick of political threads. I just took the bait on this one.

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by declaredemer 

The more freedom we lose, and more broke we become, the more like the rest of the world we become.

I suppose we should prepare for the worse then. If this is your reasoning, then we will be hated even more so under Obama.

 

On the contrary, I think Obama will be a more effective, and responsible, steward of the country's resources.  We have many opportunities to cut waste, halt unnecessary government growth, and contribute to developing the private sector that everyone depends on. 

 

Obama seems committed to doing an effective job at being President. 

 

We just have to wait and see.

 

Edit:  I should not have said debt.  Look at China.  Serious savers.  No debt.  Surplus.  

China has enough money to handle any economic downturn; is contributing to building its nation's infrastructure; and is a serious saver. 

It is a strange way we need to stop behaving like this big swinging you know what and get humble and behave like a third world country:  (a) stop attacking everyone, (b) rebuild our infrastructure, and (c) begin to reward work and savings.

Otherwise we will have so much debt we will go broke.  Oops.  We are there - now.

Calling the president the "steward of our resources" does not show a desire for freedom. The president presides over the executive branch of our government -- which is the least important part of a free society's resources.

If you wanted freedom, you never should have supported Obama.

Also, if you actually LOOK at the body language of the video, BUSH is the one doing the shunning. I don't see HIM raising HIS hand to shake others, and then others spurning his offered hand. I see him walking on, ignoring them. Now, what this all means I have no idea, but he is certainly not the one being shunned in that video clip.

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by declaredemer 

On the contrary, I think Obama will be a more effective, and responsible, steward of the country's resources. 

I don't want to get in any arguments based on his policies, but (there is always a but ) with him wanting to throw large amounts of cash at non-taxpayers and his comments stating we should ignore the deficit for the next few years, I do not see him as a responsible steward of resources. He will bankrupt this country completely.

Many claim him surren...errr ending the Iraq war will save billions, but they fail to realize he wishes to use those resources to fight in various parts of Africa (Dafur, etc.).

 

Edit: With that said, I am done. As Enigma is above (and possibly everyone else), I am sick of political threads. I just took the bait on this one.

What do you think Bush's boy Paulson is doing right now, Dekron?

Bush's utterly illegal and unpaid for war of aggression has a lot to do with the state of the federal government's finances, too.  The GOP has been borrowing and spending like poets on payday for eight years.

Obama has a gigantic mess to clean up created by 30 years of moronic GOP policy.

We elect leaders to make decisions on our behalf by proxy.  The idea that we should be less interested, or should not talk as much about these issues because the presidential election is over is not only short-sighted but the root of the problem in this country.  Because they make decisions on your behalf --you will have to pay for it-- you have a duty, to yourself, to hold them accountable.  But so many Americans have this idea that politics is just the presidential election.

My God, it is precisely that kind of thinking that gets so many people in trouble, and why they are paying not only for bad policies (foreign, military, etc.) but suffering from a bad economy. 

It is typical, but wrong and short-sighted, to see politics as beginning and ending with a presidential election.

Edit:  I think Sio is exactly right.  The task of clean-up is going to be long and arduous.  

People think the election is over, now politics is over.  MY GOD, Americans, this thinking is so expensive for you it is dangerous.  The REAL work (the real work) has just begun!

Originally posted by Enigma

you do know the elections are over, declaredemer

time to get off of your little soap box now.

Though I consider gambling immoral, I would bet a nickle you are the kind of guy who leads a sort of, "if I just close my eyes hard and long enough, and keep my head in the sand, the problem will go away."

You must be complaining, publicly and privately, that citizens are -gasp!- talking "politics."

The most irresponsible post I ever read on MMORPG was yours about betting in the stock market, during a recession, possible pre-depression, that you "made" thousands of dollars.  IF someone, especially a young person, opened an account with a discount brokerage firm and bet their savings in this market and lost it, I am holding you directly responsible.  I am confident no one is that foolish, but I am surprised you got away with it. 

Originally posted by SioBabble 

What do you think Bush's boy Paulson is doing right now, Dekron?

When someone is critical of Obama, you assume they support Bush and his policies. It was a simple dodge regarding Obama on your part.

Also, it simply amazes me that you believe this entire mess is the GOP's fault. The democrats were in power too throughout that 30 year time span of which you speak. It simply wasn't the GOP alone. Don't try to make the dems out as saints. They are quite far from it.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

At least Our Crimanals have the balls to step down after they get cought.

Are you referring to the Alaskan senator or the Congressman from Louisiana? 

William J. Jefferson was caught with 90,000 in his - freezer.  He has a law degree from Harvard, and an LLM (the law master equivalent, but a JD is required to get an LLM) in Taxation.  I never understand why these people accept bribes.  I really do not.  

Edit:  And Bush tried to do something, I cannot remember exactly what, to impede the investigation and the FBI investigators threatened to resign.  I mean, what happened?  What happened to serving the public, and doing well by doing what is right?

Originally posted by SioBabble 

But it's pretty obvious that you can't handle the truth about the pack of criminals that is the Rupublican party.

Yes, there are criminals in both parties. However, to assume all on either side are criminals is ridiculous. And why would I have problem seeing the truth? I am Independent - I don't support either party.

Originally posted by Dekron

I am Independent - I don't support either party.

I have an issue with self-described "independent" voters.  It is the Independents that are ruining our political system and requiring candidates to spend vast (vast) sums of money to persuade YOU (Independents).

And, then, they call themselves Independents, but they are Independents every day except election day - when they vote for either (a) Democrat or (b) Republican.

Independent? Ya. Right. 

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Dekron

I am Independent - I don't support either party.

 

I have an issue with self-described "independent" voters.  It is the Independents that are ruining our political system and requiring candidates to spend vast (vast) sums of money to persuade YOU (Independents).

 

And, then, they call themselves Independents, but they are Independents every day except election day - when they vote for either (a) Democrat or (b) Republican.

 

Independent? Ya. Right. 

When the left successfully hides what they are, they capture the independents, and win, as happened this year. When the RIGHT tries to appeal to Independents, and forgets about their base, they lose, as happened this year.

The key to Democratic victory is to fool the Independents; the key to Republican victory is to ignore them.

Democratic Politicians = Not too bright. Marxists. Living Disney Cartoons and thinks the world is like Starfleet.

Republican Politicians = Greedy and Snobbish

Independents = On the right track.

Anyone who gets upset at independents really need to get over it because that's going to be the future. More and more will become independent.

I, on the other hand, like pie/