Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by weaseltje

 

2.8 million during the first 24 hours, they don't say how much they sold so far.

This is verry good.

 

We will see, If WotLK doesnt equal the WoW playerbase in sales i call the sub number every fanboi waves in front of a non-WoW players face bullshit.

You bash Wow (without giving decent elements) in this forum and you do it in the War forums.

What's your game ? Frustration?.

2.8 million boxes in 24 Hours. Those are boxes from the first day (!). Since then WotLK still is number one on amazon.com in PC sales and will be for the next few months.

...and Digital downloads were available the second day. They aren't even included.

For an MMORPG digital download is a massive market.

The 11 million active subscriptions were confirmed by Vivendi the mother company as usual. The financial reports are audited, so they can't come up with false figures.

How do you presume Blizzard made 1.2 billion dollars in 2007? Is amazon lying, is Xfire lying, is Vivendi lying, are the US PC selling charts lying?

Wow was the best selling US game in 2004,2005,2006, 2007 (TBC) and it will be in 2008 (WotLK). So everyone is lying and Mr Metalhead is the only one telling the truth.

Originally posted by Loke666

Anyone doubted this? Wow is at it's all time high right now, the time when the content is the most while the graphics is still ok.

If it is the best content or not can off course always be discussed but most wow players really had to buy this box.

The question is more if they can do this again in 2 years, or if they plan to release their new MMO then instead?

If they wan'tto do it again, they will have to totalt revamp the engine (6 1/2 year i a long time for a computer game). Off course they do have the money for it. On the other hand, it is very possible that Wow2 is the game in making, Blizz always liked doing sequels.

 

Listen I ve played AOCxxxx graphics and Warhammer clunk. Both had ... graphics. But graphics in videogames are NOT still pictures. They have to be animated, alive, controlled, fluid, non stuttering, artistic.

Everyone sees the difference when playing WotLK. That world is alive. The breath of characters show little white circles, birds in the sky, rabbits on the grass,...

Every inch in Northrend shows you are playing in a living world. Why revamp an engine if that engine is simply better than what we had to endure these last months?

Seen the graphics on KOTOR already? Why do you think they use these same kind of graphics in MMO's?

Pixels don't make a good videogame. Ever counted the pixels in the Pokemon games ? 50 million copies sold. Meaning: graphics don't sell subscriptions or games. Gameplay does.

Originally posted by metalhead980

thats all? with 12 million players they only sold 2.8 million?

seriously I think that 12 million sub statement by blizzard is bullshit.

Think about it who the hell plays wow without all the Xpacs?

Anyway grats to blizzard on the Xpac, but i still think the sub number is fabricated to make them look good.

I see someone went to community college bussiness school

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by Loke666

Anyone doubted this? Wow is at it's all time high right now, the time when the content is the most while the graphics is still ok.

If it is the best content or not can off course always be discussed but most wow players really had to buy this box.

The question is more if they can do this again in 2 years, or if they plan to release their new MMO then instead?

If they wan'tto do it again, they will have to totalt revamp the engine (6 1/2 year i a long time for a computer game). Off course they do have the money for it. On the other hand, it is very possible that Wow2 is the game in making, Blizz always liked doing sequels.

 

 

Listen I ve played AOCxxxx graphics and Warhammer clunk. Both had ... graphics. But graphics in videogames are NOT still pictures. They have to be animated, alive, controlled, fluid, non stuttering, artistic.

Everyone sees the difference when playing WotLK. That world is alive. The breath of characters show little white circles, birds in the sky, rabbits on the grass,...

Every inch in Northrend shows you are playing in a living world. Why revamp an engine if that engine is simply better than what we had to endure these last months?

Seen the graphics on KOTOR already? Why do you think they use these same kind of graphics in MMO's?

Pixels don't make a good videogame. Ever counted the pixels in the Pokemon games ? 50 million copies sold. Meaning: graphics don't sell subscriptions or games. Gameplay does.

 

I do agree some times its the little things that bring the whole picture together. Also the new shadows are great... much better then the black circle. One thing i was kinda hoping for was a little more interaction for NPC.... like in RoK of EQ2.

if you run at the birds on the ground they will fly away if you get to close. I thought its was a nice little touch.

Originally posted by Lence

Blizzard has announced that second of World of Warcraft expansion Wrath of the Lich King racked up 2.8 million sales worldwide in its first 24 hours on release.

This makes it the fastest-selling PC game ever released. It also keeps the title in the family; the previous record-holder was first WOW expansion The Burning Crusade, which managed 2.4 million in one day in January last year.

Most of those 2.8 million sales will have come from North America and Europe, although Lich King benefited from the addition of Chile, Argentina and Russia to Blizzard's domain. Australasia and south-east Asia got the expansion a day or two later, and China's still waiting.

World of Warcraft has 11 million players worldwide now, versus the 8 million it had when Burning Crusade launched - so in terms of sell-through to subscribers, Lich King performed fractionally less well than its predecessor.

The 3.5 million copies Burning Crusade sold in its first month will be the next of its own records Blizzard is looking to beat. One analyst has predicted that Lich King could net 5 million in the same period, according to Gamasutra.

Im sure its been said but Ill say it again. Its not the fastest selling PC game, Its may be the fastest selling expansion.  I wouldn't concider WOTLK a game all buy its self cuz  you cant go out and buy it and play it without having the others installed so its not really a game, its just part of one.   Not to rain on anyones parade or anything, Its is impressive though that it sold that many in that amount of time.  

Lich King 2.8 mill in 24 hours is pretty impressive and still many more will buy the expansion.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by weaseltje

Originally posted by metalhead980

thats all? with 12 million players they only sold 2.8 million?

seriously I think that 12 million sub statement by blizzard is bullshit.

Think about it who the hell plays wow without all the Xpacs?

Anyway grats to blizzard on the Xpac, but i still think the sub number is fabricated to make them look good.

 

2.8 million during the first 24 hours, they don't say how much they sold so far.

This is verry good.

 

We will see, If WotLK doesnt equal the WoW playerbase in sales i call the sub number every fanboi waves in front of a non-WoW players face bullshit.

Thats because it is BS and it is fabricated..Remember they posted a story about a guy who has 36 accounts all Shamans? Yeah they count each of those as a different subscription even though its 1 person playing all 36..and who knows how many more people have multiple accounts...The majority of their alleged subs come from EU...

Most of those people, not all, but most of them are gold and power leveling accounts..Blizz counts them as actual subs... WOW sub numbers if you leave out multiple accounts, gold/powerleveling accounts is somewhere around 6 maybe 7 million...

Yes I agree with you the number is fabricated..just look at all the nerfing they did of the game..Lowered the xp needed to level..lowered the HP elite bosses have...made it easier to kill Elite bosses..Recruit a fruit program..all of these things point to serious issues that the game has..No one in their right mind would take a so called successful game and change it that drastically if they weren't worried about something..

LOL 2.8 million and they have *cough**cough* 12 million subs...thats nothing to cheer about. I have seen lots of copies (around 50) sitting stacked on tables in Best Buy, End shelves in Wal Mart... and in Gamestop..The game sold less than TBC and that if people felt TBC was garbage...give it some time with wotlk when people level cap to 80 and have nothing to do for the next 3 years, but run 4 year old BG's and arena's day in an day out..

Yes, the game is obviously dying

Originally posted by woody1974

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by weaseltje

Originally posted by metalhead980

thats all? with 12 million players they only sold 2.8 million?

seriously I think that 12 million sub statement by blizzard is bullshit.

Think about it who the hell plays wow without all the Xpacs?

Anyway grats to blizzard on the Xpac, but i still think the sub number is fabricated to make them look good.

 

2.8 million during the first 24 hours, they don't say how much they sold so far.

This is verry good.

 

We will see, If WotLK doesnt equal the WoW playerbase in sales i call the sub number every fanboi waves in front of a non-WoW players face bullshit.

 

Thats because it is BS and it is fabricated..Remember they posted a story about a guy who has 36 accounts all Shamans? Yeah they count each of those as a different subscription even though its 1 person playing all 36..and who knows how many more people have multiple accounts...The majority of their alleged subs come from EU...

Most of those people, not all, but most of them are gold and power leveling accounts..Blizz counts them as actual subs... WOW sub numbers if you leave out multiple accounts, gold/powerleveling accounts is somewhere around 6 maybe 7 million...

Yes I agree with you the number is fabricated..just look at all the nerfing they did of the game..Lowered the xp needed to level..lowered the HP elite bosses have...made it easier to kill Elite bosses..Recruit a fruit program..all of these things point to serious issues that the game has..No one in their right mind would take a so called successful game and change it that drastically if they weren't worried about something..

LOL 2.8 million and they have *cough**cough* 12 million subs...thats nothing to cheer about. I have seen lots of copies (around 50) sitting stacked on tables in Best Buy, End shelves in Wal Mart... and in Gamestop..The game sold less than TBC and that if people felt TBC was garbage...give it some time with wotlk when people level cap to 80 and have nothing to do for the next 3 years, but run 4 year old BG's and arena's day in an day out..

people like this crack me up.   You do realize the 2.8M copies it sold is only for NA and EU.   So 2.8M out of about 6M.    That means 50% of players bought the expansion..... wait for it..... ON THE FIRST DAY!!!.    Yes, if in 3 months,   only 50% of players have bought the expansion.. that might not be so good.  But we are talking about 'fanatic' people here.  We are talking about people who went out and bought the expansion as soon as it was available.

Another thing to remember.. In the 3 months before the expansion..  WOW vanilla was still on the best selling list.  Which means there are probably a substantial number of players who aren't even ready for Wrath yet.

So tell me about your game?  is it Warhammer with it's merging servers and box sales ranked at number 468 on sales charts?  Or is it AOC? (lol).   If WOW's sales are so abysmal, what game is doing good?

LMAO @ the never relenting WoW-haters.

Imagine if an expansion for <insert-so-much-superior-than-WoW-MMO-here> expansion hit 2.8 million in 24 hours. We'd never heard the end of it. And of course, none of the arguments that apply here would be valid.

Gotta love WoW-hater hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Lence

Blizzard has announced that second of World of Warcraft expansion Wrath of the Lich King racked up 2.8 million sales worldwide in its first 24 hours on release.

This makes it the fastest-selling PC game ever released. It also keeps the title in the family; the previous record-holder was first WOW expansion The Burning Crusade, which managed 2.4 million in one day in January last year.

Most of those 2.8 million sales will have come from North America and Europe, although Lich King benefited from the addition of Chile, Argentina and Russia to Blizzard's domain. Australasia and south-east Asia got the expansion a day or two later, and China's still waiting.

World of Warcraft has 11 million players worldwide now, versus the 8 million it had when Burning Crusade launched - so in terms of sell-through to subscribers, Lich King performed fractionally less well than its predecessor.

The 3.5 million copies Burning Crusade sold in its first month will be the next of its own records Blizzard is looking to beat. One analyst has predicted that Lich King could net 5 million in the same period, according to Gamasutra.

who cares how many copies a game sells, that doesn't make it a good game, just a well marketed one.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

LMAO @ the never relenting WoW-haters.

Imagine if an expansion for <insert-so-much-superior-than-WoW-MMO-here> expansion hit 2.8 million in 24 hours. We'd never heard the end of it. And of course, none of the arguments that apply here would be valid.

Gotta love WoW-hater hypocrisy.

gotta love the wow fanboi when all he can say about wow is how many people play it. I think most of you just play it because its popular.

speaking of wow graphics, how do their graphics rate compared to other mmorpg's out there with what being the best and worst with wow at what rank?  I was thinking the beta and alpha aion or global agenda might take the cake as far as mmorpgs go... did WotLK add or change anything visually or in system requirements?

Originally posted by bodypass

Listen I ve played AOCxxxx graphics and Warhammer clunk. Both had ... graphics. But graphics in videogames are NOT still pictures. They have to be animated, alive, controlled, fluid, non stuttering, artistic.

Actually, AoCs animations floats mighty fine, WARs is another matter sadly.

Everyone sees the difference when playing WotLK. That world is alive. The breath of characters show little white circles, birds in the sky, rabbits on the grass,...

Every inch in Northrend shows you are playing in a living world. Why revamp an engine if that engine is simply better than what we had to endure these last months?

Because the hardware is changing fast. What was the GFX card that was the hot stuff in april 2004? compare it with what is out today. And multi core processors, a computer handles a lot more. Besides, it is not WAR or AoC that will show us what an GFX engine can make, it is Guildwars 2. Guess who is programming it? Jeff Strain, the guy who made wows engine.

Seen the graphics on KOTOR already? Why do you think they use these same kind of graphics in MMO's?

Because Old republic online is still in early alpha? I am not talking about the art style but about effects and high resolution.

Pixels don't make a good videogame. Ever counted the pixels in the Pokemon games ? 50 million copies sold. Meaning: graphics don't sell subscriptions or games. Gameplay does.

Diablo is a great game, but it is old so almost no one plays it. Games will get too old, you have to accept that one day will wow look as old as Diablo do today.

You really think they still can be the biggest MMO then?

Blizzard knows this themselves, that is why they are making a new MMO (Wow maybe 2?).

Originally posted by woody1974

I have seen lots of copies (around 50) sitting stacked on tables in Best Buy, End shelves in Wal Mart... and in Gamestop..

I guess Gamestop is in on with Blizzard then because...

"After a single day of availability, Wrath of the Lich King is already the bestselling PC game of 2008 at GameStop and ranks as one of our top-selling products so far this year," said Bob McKenzie, GameStop’s senior vice president of merchandising. "In keeping with the tradition established by their previous releases, Blizzard Entertainment has again created a product that not only reflects their high standards of quality but is clearly an instant hit with gamers around the country."

The best selling PC game of 2008....in 1 day.  Yeah, sounds like a flop to me.

And im one of those few million. /feels special

Originally posted by Martie

LoL nobody plays diablo?????  Lol Diablo and D2 probably has more current players than war., aoc, lotro, and vanguard combined.  Infact all of blizzard games probably have  more players currently playing them than all the games listed on this site put together X10.

i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3.  I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.

Originally posted by barshems

Originally posted by Martie

LoL nobody plays diablo?????  Lol Diablo and D2 probably has more current players than war., aoc, lotro, and vanguard combined.  Infact all of blizzard games probably have  more players currently playing them than all the games listed on this site put together X10.

 

i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3.  I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.

Ever notice when someone wants to discount subscriber numbers, they always say " everyone is a gold-seller or a multi-boxer".    I read a post somewhere and some guy honestly said that 4-5M of wow's subscribers are gold-sellers.

Originally posted by cukimunga

Originally posted by Lence

Blizzard has announced that second of World of Warcraft expansion Wrath of the Lich King racked up 2.8 million sales worldwide in its first 24 hours on release.

This makes it the fastest-selling PC game ever released. It also keeps the title in the family; the previous record-holder was first WOW expansion The Burning Crusade, which managed 2.4 million in one day in January last year.

Most of those 2.8 million sales will have come from North America and Europe, although Lich King benefited from the addition of Chile, Argentina and Russia to Blizzard's domain. Australasia and south-east Asia got the expansion a day or two later, and China's still waiting.

World of Warcraft has 11 million players worldwide now, versus the 8 million it had when Burning Crusade launched - so in terms of sell-through to subscribers, Lich King performed fractionally less well than its predecessor.

The 3.5 million copies Burning Crusade sold in its first month will be the next of its own records Blizzard is looking to beat. One analyst has predicted that Lich King could net 5 million in the same period, according to Gamasutra.

 

Im sure its been said but Ill say it again. Its not the fastest selling PC game, Its may be the fastest selling expansion.  I wouldn't concider WOTLK a game all buy its self cuz  you cant go out and buy it and play it without having the others installed so its not really a game, its just part of one.   Not to rain on anyones parade or anything, Its is impressive though that it sold that many in that amount of time.  

http://eu.blizzard.com/en/press/081120.html

nope, sorry. FASTEST SELLING PC GAME of all times. Not expansion, game. no other sold so much in a day. The previous holder of the title was Burning Crusade so they know what they are talking about.

what it is NOT is the Fastest Selling GAME of all times. With the console market bigger than the PC by a 10:1 factor, WotLK is not that. GTA IV is that with 3.6 millions sold in a day.

However, as far as pc games go, 2.8 in a day is incredible.

to others: Blizzard is part of Vivendi, a public traded company that publish quarterly results. such results are puclic, anyone can go check them out and they MUST be authentic facts. so the 11 millions subscriptions is a real number and DOES NOT include trials or cancelled subscriptions. It of course count those players that own multiple accounts as it is higly impossible to verify who owns what. Beside, dual or triple boxing is nothing new and EVERYONE of wow's competitors counts subscribers in the SAME EXACT way, so counting dual boxer as 2 subscription.... and why shouldn't they? the guy is paying double.

I would wish people would stop to be so blindly negative about the numbers, just check the servers, there are hundreds, several hundreds, more than any other mmorpg around and 22 new servers opened, do you think Blizzard would open up new servers if not needed and so spend more money on maintenance? nu-uh, companies all work on the same principle, spend the least possiblt to achieve the best possible result. Opening up servers for nothing is not something any company would do.

Then again, if you want to delude yourself for some reason about WoW not being as big as it is, well go ahead, I do not see the point, no one is making you play the damn thing, so stop whining about the numbers and go play what you like.

face facts wow is the top dog no matter how much some may dislike it