I had a thought that the forums on this site might be sponsored by game companies.  Mmorpg.com is and always has been dependent on sponsorship from a lot of game companies, hence the prominent advertising all over their site.

What got me thinking about this was the uneven treatment here of Darkfall, how the mmorpg.com people including moderators act as if they are Darkfall fanboys, but for no apparent reason.  Posters critical of Darkfall are frequently warned and banned, but the Darkfall fanboys are encouraged to do the same things, and rarely if ever sanctioned for constantly attacking those skeptical of the game, etc.

It occurred to me that the games list, both for the Released Games and the Games in Development is rather incomplete.  There doesn't seem to be any particular effort at comprehensiveness.  Perhaps this is a "pay for play" system, i.e. games only get coverage at mmorpg.com if they pay to be covered here?  [And if it is not a secret and everyone knows this is how mmorpg.com works already, then sorry, I didn't realize it before.]

From what I can recall, even going back several years, I was always surprised at how MMORPG.com doesn't cover a lot of games, and that was one of the reasons why I never have taken this site too seriously.  It seems a bit "filtered", like a pay for play radio station where the songs that get played are not the ones that everyone loves or the ones the DJ thinks are great, but the ones that a music company payed him to play, basically all advertising.  Of course they still cover the biggest games no matter what, like World of Warcraft, but it is the small and obscure games, the ones like Darkfall, that the coverage here seems to be... a bit weird.

Just a thought, but it would go a long way to explaining this site's attitude towads Darkfall, and peculiar bias, and constantly bending over backwards in order to please Darkfall developers, when almost all professional gaming sites such as ign stopped covering Darkfall years ago.

When you take a look at your post history, and add to the fact that since you speak out against the game yet continue to post the same thing over and over on these forums in a trolling manner, then it isnt hard to understand why trolls tend to get banned here.

And trust me fanbois get bans too for getting into flame wars.  See some of the recent threads started with one liners in the op just to start a flame war.

If you think this forum is bias in favor of DF...you are mistaken.

Originally posted by SuperCrap

I had a thought that the forums on this site might be sponsored by game companies.  Mmorpg.com is and always has been dependent on sponsorship from a lot of game companies, hence the prominent advertising all over their site.

 

What got me thinking about this was the uneven treatment here of Darkfall, how the mmorpg.com people including moderators act as if they are Darkfall fanboys, but for no apparent reason.  Posters critical of Darkfall are frequently warned and banned, but the Darkfall fanboys are encouraged to do the same things, and rarely if ever sanctioned for constantly attacking those skeptical of the game, etc.

 

It occurred to me that the games list, both for the Released Games and the Games in Development is rather incomplete.  There doesn't seem to be any particular effort at comprehensiveness.  Perhaps this is a "pay for play" system, i.e. games only get coverage at mmorpg.com if they pay to be covered here?  [And if it is not a secret and everyone knows this is how mmorpg.com works already, then sorry, I didn't realize it before.]

 

From what I can recall, even going back several years, I was always surprised at how MMORPG.com doesn't cover a lot of games, and that was one of the reasons why I never have taken this site too seriously.  It seems a bit "filtered", like a pay for play radio station where the songs that get played are not the ones that everyone loves or the ones the DJ thinks are great, but the ones that a music company payed him to play, basically all advertising.  Of course they still cover the biggest games no matter what, like World of Warcraft, but it is the small and obscure games, the ones like Darkfall, that the coverage here seems to be... a bit weird.

 

Just a thought, but it would go a long way to explaining this site's attitude towads Darkfall, and peculiar bias, and constantly bending over backwards in order to please Darkfall developers, when almost all professional gaming sites such as ign stopped covering Darkfall years ago.

Wrong. Just... wrong.

We do out best to be as comprehensive as possible, but I would like to remind you that we have a very small staff working here. Onme of the smallest in fact, among gaming sites. We do our best to keep everything as up-to-date as possible, but somet5imes things slip through the cracks. We rely a lot on volunteer information as well. Care to give some of your time?

If you have a list of games that we are misssing, please feel free to shoot me an email: editor@mmorpg.com and let me know.

As for people paying to be on the site... That is frankly a stupid statement. Give me specific examples of when you feel that our moderators (who are also volunteers by the way) have stepped out of line and our Community Manager will investigate. That's part of his job.

I wouldn't say that we have been bending over backwards for Darkfall. In fact, many fans of the game accuse us of exactly the opposite. The fact of the matter is that we have seen no proof either way as to this game's future and we're not going to remove a game from our list based on rumor and conjecture any more than we are going to add a game on the same basis.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Imo, mods act in here as in any other forum in this site.  I dont see any biased behaviour.

About MMORGP.com not covering DFO... well... imho, Aventurine is the one that is not looking for coverage.  I am not judging Aventurine ways of PR here.  I am just dont think its fair now to blame MMORPG.com or any other game site for what I think is more a behaivour from Aventurine than from that sites.

About if this site covers some games more than others, that's something I will expect.  They have to "sell" what they produce.  Not in the sense of money but in the sense of attracting people to read it.  So I do expect WoW to have much more coverage than DAoC or UO.  That happens with everything in the media.

EDIT: I just saw JW's post.  That was a fast answer. hehe :)

JW's response is right on the money.  If anything this forum accuses the site of NOT showing love to DF, which in my opinion is just as silly as accusing them of being in bed with Aventurine.

Aventurine is very secretive, as you know, so its not their fault that there isnt much to report on.  If Aventurine was to offer one of their staff a chance to do an in depth interview that would bring a lot of new info to the site....im sure if they had the resources to devote to it, then someone from the mmorpg staff would do just that.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by SuperCrap

I had a thought that the forums on this site might be sponsored by game companies.  Mmorpg.com is and always has been dependent on sponsorship from a lot of game companies, hence the prominent advertising all over their site.

 

What got me thinking about this was the uneven treatment here of Darkfall, how the mmorpg.com people including moderators act as if they are Darkfall fanboys, but for no apparent reason.  Posters critical of Darkfall are frequently warned and banned, but the Darkfall fanboys are encouraged to do the same things, and rarely if ever sanctioned for constantly attacking those skeptical of the game, etc.

 

It occurred to me that the games list, both for the Released Games and the Games in Development is rather incomplete.  There doesn't seem to be any particular effort at comprehensiveness.  Perhaps this is a "pay for play" system, i.e. games only get coverage at mmorpg.com if they pay to be covered here?  [And if it is not a secret and everyone knows this is how mmorpg.com works already, then sorry, I didn't realize it before.]

 

From what I can recall, even going back several years, I was always surprised at how MMORPG.com doesn't cover a lot of games, and that was one of the reasons why I never have taken this site too seriously.  It seems a bit "filtered", like a pay for play radio station where the songs that get played are not the ones that everyone loves or the ones the DJ thinks are great, but the ones that a music company payed him to play, basically all advertising.  Of course they still cover the biggest games no matter what, like World of Warcraft, but it is the small and obscure games, the ones like Darkfall, that the coverage here seems to be... a bit weird.

 

Just a thought, but it would go a long way to explaining this site's attitude towads Darkfall, and peculiar bias, and constantly bending over backwards in order to please Darkfall developers, when almost all professional gaming sites such as ign stopped covering Darkfall years ago.

 

Wrong. Just... wrong.

We do out best to be as comprehensive as possible, but I would like to remind you that we have a very small staff working here. Onme of the smallest in fact, among gaming sites. We do our best to keep everything as up-to-date as possible, but somet5imes things slip through the cracks. We rely a lot on volunteer information as well. Care to give some of your time?

If you have a list of games that we are misssing, please feel free to shoot me an email: editor@mmorpg.com and let me know.

As for people paying to be on the site... That is frankly a stupid statement. Give me specific examples of when you feel that our moderators (who are also volunteers by the way) have stepped out of line and our Community Manager will investigate. That's part of his job.

I wouldn't say that we have been bending over backwards for Darkfall. In fact, many fans of the game accuse us of exactly the opposite. The fact of the matter is that we have seen no proof either way as to this game's future and we're not going to remove a game from our list based on rumor and conjecture any more than we are going to add a game on the same basis.

Hope that clears things up for you.

 

My biggest beef isnt the mods, its the fans who abuse the report button to tell on anyone that doesnt agree with them on these forums.  Honestly I know the 'fanbois' even dig through old posts to report people they dont like. Heck I was banned for an offense that occured BEFORE the current one I was servering. Nice huh?
 

I think the mods do an allright job most of the time. I just wish the "fanbois" were judged just as harshly as the "trolls' here in the Darkfall forums.

Its kinda hard to follow the guidelines when it comes to dealing with darkfall fans, while Ive been getting warnings instead of straight bans as of late, which I appreciate, but everyday I check my email, I expect to see a "You have been temporarily banned..."

Are you advocates for the game makers for the game consumers?  You can't be both, at somepoint one matters more than the other.

What bothers me is the effects of your policies.  Look at the thread regarding darkfall warnings the other day.  It was official and it seems to leave questions unanswered.  The specific thing that bothers me is Darkfall seems to be able to say whatever they want and you will allow it and yet we are not allowed to get real factual feedback about the game.

It seems extremely one sided.  One sided situations rub me the wrong way.

Originally posted by Stradden

I wouldn't say that we have been bending over backwards for Darkfall. In fact, many fans of the game accuse us of exactly the opposite. The fact of the matter is that we have seen no proof either way as to this game's future and we're not going to remove a game from our list based on rumor and conjecture any more than we are going to add a game on the same basis.

Hope that clears things up for you.

 

Actually, that's not very clear. You won't remove a game based on rumors, but you won't add one either, yet you've got no proof of DF's future, so doesn't that seem like it's been added to teh list based on rumor?

In other words, why is Darkfall on the list, and not Mortal Online?

Certainly Mortal Online has just as much proof of existence as DF had when it was added to the MMORPG.Com discussion list, right?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Actually, that's not very clear. You won't remove a game based on rumors, but you won't add one either, yet you've got no proof of DF's future, so doesn't that seem like it's been added to teh list based on rumor?

In other words, why is Darkfall on the list, and not Mortal Online?

Certainly Mortal Online has just as much proof of existence as DF had when it was added to the MMORPG.Com discussion list, right?

 

Moprtal online is actually in the process of being listede here at the site. I had just been hoping to make contact with the game's developers before we listed it. These things take time. Darkfall has been around for a LONG time. It's not like we added iut yesterday. In fact, it's one of the older games on our list... just sayin'.

It's not that we're NOT adding the game as your post assumes. We're working on it. Seriously, I could have answered this concern just sa easily if it had been presented in a more non-confrontational way.

Originally posted by wjrasmussen

Are you advocates for the game makers for the game consumers?  You can't be both, at somepoint one matters more than the other.

What bothers me is the effects of your policies.  Look at the thread regarding darkfall warnings the other day.  It was official and it seems to leave questions unanswered.  The specific thing that bothers me is Darkfall seems to be able to say whatever they want and you will allow it and yet we are not allowed to get real factual feedback about the game.

It seems extremely one sided.  One sided situations rub me the wrong way.

While I have no idea what thread you're talking about, I will say this:

We aren't an advocate for anyone. We don't have a "secret agenda" that we're hiding from the world. We don't have a smoke filled dark room where we hatch evil schemes... Although that would be cool.

The bottom line is that we're a business. The more readers we bring to the site, the more we can charge for advertising space, etc. etc. etc. It isn't in our best interest to cater to companies over readers. Just doesn't make sense.

I AM curious though where your "real, factual feedback" is coming from. A far as I know, no one has really seen this thing so there isn't really any "real feedback" to be had. I'm not saying that excuses either side really. It's a grey area. We don't have any hard and fast facts.

We report what the developers tell us. That's what we do. We don't claim to do aything else. In terms of Darkfall coverage, we don't say "we saw this game and it's XXX" because we haven't and we can't pass judgement. What we do do is present this information as it appears "The developers at Daarkfall have said this:".

In the end, the only information we have to report is what the company tells us. We present it back to you in the same form. We'd love to have more information for you. We'd love to be able to say "it has this or it doesn't have that" but we can't right now. Rest assured, when the game launches or we get our grubby hands on it, you'll see lots of balanced opinion, we'll tell you what mwe like and what we don't like. Until then, it's just rpess releases and forum posts.

Oh yeah, and while I'm at it. Since we make our money on ad revenue and you're accusing us of skewing things in Darkfall's favor... could you please point me to the date and time that you last saw a Darkfall ad on the site? I mean, I haven't seen one in years... I'm not saying that we do what you're accusing us of, but I am saying that the accusation itself makes no sense.

Anyway, hope that clears things up for you.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Actually, that's not very clear. You won't remove a game based on rumors, but you won't add one either, yet you've got no proof of DF's future, so doesn't that seem like it's been added to teh list based on rumor?

In other words, why is Darkfall on the list, and not Mortal Online?

Certainly Mortal Online has just as much proof of existence as DF had when it was added to the MMORPG.Com discussion list, right?

 

 

Moprtal online is actually in the process of being listede here at the site. I had just been hoping to make contact with the game's developers before we listed it. These things take time. Darkfall has been around for a LONG time. It's not like we added iut yesterday. In fact, it's one of the older games on our list... just sayin'.

It's not that we're NOT adding the game as your post assumes. We're working on it. Seriously, I could have answered this concern just sa easily if it had been presented in a more non-confrontational way.

 

Well, that clears it up for me. The criteria for listing the games is the same, the difference between MO and DF being the amount of time in existence, adn I certainly can't argue that MO has been around as long as DF.

I"m not purposefully trying to be confrontational, it was actually unclear to me why one game gets listed, adn the other doesn't.

I look forward to posting in teh MO forum whenever that gets established.

Btw, is Tasos paying you a lot more to list Darkfall on the site than the developers of Mortal Online, or are they paying about the same amount? I'm just kidding. I hope we're allowed to maintain a sense of humor about the topic.

OP, I'm not a big fan of using witty images on forum boards but you seriously impaired¹ my faith in humanity.

¹ - "impaired" as in "bludgeoned to death with a shovel"

 Wait a minute....are you actually suggesting.... that because moderators are doing their job of deleting idiotic threads, troll posts, flames, and pointless conversations, that they are DARKFALL FANBOYS? And that an indie company in Greece is PAYING them to do this, when they don't even moderate their own forum? Are you kidding me? Really? 

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Btw, is Tasos paying you a lot more to list Darkfall on the site than the developers of Mortal Online, or are they paying about the same amount? I'm just kidding. I hope we're allowed to maintain a sense of humor about the topic.

It's not that I don't generally ahve a pretty good sense of humor about things, but it's hard on this subject when it's something that I am accused of on a daily basis. I take a good deal of pride in my work and in my objectivity and it seems as though every day I am being accused of taking bribes and the like.

Anyway, s'all good.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Actually, that's not very clear. You won't remove a game based on rumors, but you won't add one either, yet you've got no proof of DF's future, so doesn't that seem like it's been added to teh list based on rumor?

In other words, why is Darkfall on the list, and not Mortal Online?

Certainly Mortal Online has just as much proof of existence as DF had when it was added to the MMORPG.Com discussion list, right?

 

 

Moprtal online is actually in the process of being listede here at the site. I had just been hoping to make contact with the game's developers before we listed it. These things take time. Darkfall has been around for a LONG time. It's not like we added iut yesterday. In fact, it's one of the older games on our list... just sayin'.

It's not that we're NOT adding the game as your post assumes. We're working on it. Seriously, I could have answered this concern just sa easily if it had been presented in a more non-confrontational way.

 

 

Well, that clears it up for me. The criteria for listing the games is the same, the difference between MO and DF being the amount of time in existence, adn I certainly can't argue that MO has been around as long as DF.

 

Um...that and the fact that up until very VERY recently, all Mortal Online has had to show for their game is one cinematic trailer and one piece of concept art. Darkfall had a LOT more than that back in the day. 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by SuperCrap

I had a thought that the forums on this site might be sponsored by game companies.  Mmorpg.com is and always has been dependent on sponsorship from a lot of game companies, hence the prominent advertising all over their site.

 

What got me thinking about this was the uneven treatment here of Darkfall, how the mmorpg.com people including moderators act as if they are Darkfall fanboys, but for no apparent reason.  Posters critical of Darkfall are frequently warned and banned, but the Darkfall fanboys are encouraged to do the same things, and rarely if ever sanctioned for constantly attacking those skeptical of the game, etc.

 

It occurred to me that the games list, both for the Released Games and the Games in Development is rather incomplete.  There doesn't seem to be any particular effort at comprehensiveness.  Perhaps this is a "pay for play" system, i.e. games only get coverage at mmorpg.com if they pay to be covered here?  [And if it is not a secret and everyone knows this is how mmorpg.com works already, then sorry, I didn't realize it before.]

 

From what I can recall, even going back several years, I was always surprised at how MMORPG.com doesn't cover a lot of games, and that was one of the reasons why I never have taken this site too seriously.  It seems a bit "filtered", like a pay for play radio station where the songs that get played are not the ones that everyone loves or the ones the DJ thinks are great, but the ones that a music company payed him to play, basically all advertising.  Of course they still cover the biggest games no matter what, like World of Warcraft, but it is the small and obscure games, the ones like Darkfall, that the coverage here seems to be... a bit weird.

 

Just a thought, but it would go a long way to explaining this site's attitude towads Darkfall, and peculiar bias, and constantly bending over backwards in order to please Darkfall developers, when almost all professional gaming sites such as ign stopped covering Darkfall years ago.

 

Wrong. Just... wrong.

We do out best to be as comprehensive as possible, but I would like to remind you that we have a very small staff working here. Onme of the smallest in fact, among gaming sites. We do our best to keep everything as up-to-date as possible, but somet5imes things slip through the cracks. We rely a lot on volunteer information as well. Care to give some of your time?

If you have a list of games that we are misssing, please feel free to shoot me an email: editor@mmorpg.com and let me know.

As for people paying to be on the site... That is frankly a stupid statement. Give me specific examples of when you feel that our moderators (who are also volunteers by the way) have stepped out of line and our Community Manager will investigate. That's part of his job.

I wouldn't say that we have been bending over backwards for Darkfall. In fact, many fans of the game accuse us of exactly the opposite. The fact of the matter is that we have seen no proof either way as to this game's future and we're not going to remove a game from our list based on rumor and conjecture any more than we are going to add a game on the same basis.

Hope that clears things up for you.

 

My biggest beef isnt the mods, its the fans who abuse the report button to tell on anyone that doesnt agree with them on these forums.  

Don't play innocent, you know for a fact that there's a good number of people that go out of their way not to "disagree" but to blatantly flame, troll, and act like a total idiot. People that respectfully disagree, are treated with respect for the most part. For those who respectfully disagree, you are NOT one of them. 

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Btw, is Tasos paying you a lot more to list Darkfall on the site than the developers of Mortal Online, or are they paying about the same amount? I'm just kidding. I hope we're allowed to maintain a sense of humor about the topic.

 

It's not that I don't generally ahve a pretty good sense of humor about things, but it's hard on this subject when it's something that I am accused of on a daily basis. I take a good deal of pride in my work and in my objectivity and it seems as though every day I am being accused of taking bribes and the like.

Anyway, s'all good.

 

Jon,

I know you do a heck of a job and I very much respect your work. 

However, I do have to take exception.  I've been following World of Warcraft from the beginning and have been on these forums for half that time.  To me, it seems that the only time the staff cares that people are bashing WoW is when WoW has a paid advertising campaign going on.  Otherwise, the staff lets people say what they wish about WoW.  As evidence, each of the last two years, the MMORPG.com staff has not even mentioned WoW in any of it's annual award categories.

It may not be intentional, but the staff does have a bias against the most successful MMORPG of all time and again, I noticed it being moderated only at a time when Blizzard is paying for an advertising campaign otherwise, the WoW forums are left alone to the trolls.

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Btw, is Tasos paying you a lot more to list Darkfall on the site than the developers of Mortal Online, or are they paying about the same amount? I'm just kidding. I hope we're allowed to maintain a sense of humor about the topic.

 

It's not that I don't generally ahve a pretty good sense of humor about things, but it's hard on this subject when it's something that I am accused of on a daily basis. I take a good deal of pride in my work and in my objectivity and it seems as though every day I am being accused of taking bribes and the like.

Anyway, s'all good.

 

 

Jon,

I know you do a heck of a job and I very much respect your work. 

However, I do have to take exception.  I've been following World of Warcraft from the beginning and have been on these forums for half that time.  To me, it seems that the only time the staff cares that people are bashing WoW is when WoW has a paid advertising campaign going on.  Otherwise, the staff lets people say what they wish about WoW.  As evidence, each of the last two years, the MMORPG.com staff has not even mentioned WoW in any of it's annual award categories.

It may not be intentional, but the staff does have a bias against the most successful MMORPG of all time and again, I noticed it being moderated only at a time when Blizzard is paying for an advertising campaign otherwise, the WoW forums are left alone to the trolls.

 

Why would WoW deserve an award? It hasn't done anything special or new in its entire time in the gaming world. I don't follow your logic. Awards go to people who do something that stands or, or some innovation. Not a troll, thats just a fact, unless you can name me something unique WoW has done. 

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Well, that clears it up for me. The criteria for listing the games is the same, the difference between MO and DF being the amount of time in existence, adn I certainly can't argue that MO has been around as long as DF.

I"m not purposefully trying to be confrontational, it was actually unclear to me why one game gets listed, adn the other doesn't.

I look forward to posting in teh MO forum whenever that gets established.

Btw, is Tasos paying you a lot more to list Darkfall on the site than the developers of Mortal Online, or are they paying about the same amount? I'm just kidding. I hope we're allowed to maintain a sense of humor about the topic.

One of the criteria for being listed is being able to present 5 ingame screenshots; that's where MO is still lacking, much to the frustration of its fans as well.

Originally posted by Shannia

Jon,

I know you do a heck of a job and I very much respect your work. 

However, I do have to take exception.  I've been following World of Warcraft from the beginning and have been on these forums for half that time.  To me, it seems that the only time the staff cares that people are bashing WoW is when WoW has a paid advertising campaign going on.  Otherwise, the staff lets people say what they wish about WoW.  As evidence, each of the last two years, the MMORPG.com staff has not even mentioned WoW in any of it's annual award categories.

It may not be intentional, but the staff does have a bias against the most successful MMORPG of all time and again, I noticed it being moderated only at a time when Blizzard is paying for an advertising campaign otherwise, the WoW forums are left alone to the trolls.

 

I think that your accusation of bias is out of line. Blizzard has not in any way been discriminated against by the staff of this stie.

You say WoW wasn't mentioned in the awards of the last two years:

It received an honorable mention in the 2006 Editor's choice awards

Also in 2006, it was nominated for Reader's choice categories - Favorite graphics (3rd), Favorite PvE (2nd),  Favorite PvP (2nd), Favorite Story (2nd), favorite Game (2nd)

In 2007 - It WON Best paid Expansion, It WON best Fantasy Game and it came second in best Overall game.

The game is also currently one of our most frequently covered games.

While I appreciate what you said about my work, I still think it's unfair to make accusations that are CLEARLY not based in fact.

 omg john wood im your biggest fan you conspiracy twisted litlle midget rat bastard :D joke lol

Sig,

I could point out everything they have done but you don't want to hear it.  You don't like WoW and nothing I say will change that fact.  I will state three of the over riding facts that can't be denied.  1.  Both of WoW's expansions have had more content than what most games have total content.  2.  The bar on polish in a Blizzard is so amazing highly, nearly all other games can't touch it except for LOTRO.  3.  13 million users with Blizzard taking in over 1 BILLION dollars a year in revenue can't be wrong.  They are obviously doing something right.  Anyway, I'm sure you'll come back with a lot of gloom and doom and hate about WoW and Blizzard, but that is what has come to be expected on these forums.

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Btw, is Tasos paying you a lot more to list Darkfall on the site than the developers of Mortal Online, or are they paying about the same amount? I'm just kidding. I hope we're allowed to maintain a sense of humor about the topic.

 

It's not that I don't generally ahve a pretty good sense of humor about things, but it's hard on this subject when it's something that I am accused of on a daily basis. I take a good deal of pride in my work and in my objectivity and it seems as though every day I am being accused of taking bribes and the like.

Anyway, s'all good.

 

 

Jon,

I know you do a heck of a job and I very much respect your work. 

However, I do have to take exception.  I've been following World of Warcraft from the beginning and have been on these forums for half that time.  To me, it seems that the only time the staff cares that people are bashing WoW is when WoW has a paid advertising campaign going on.  Otherwise, the staff lets people say what they wish about WoW.  As evidence, each of the last two years, the MMORPG.com staff has not even mentioned WoW in any of it's annual award categories.

It may not be intentional, but the staff does have a bias against the most successful MMORPG of all time and again, I noticed it being moderated only at a time when Blizzard is paying for an advertising campaign otherwise, the WoW forums are left alone to the trolls.

 

JW just beat me too it.  You have been on these boards awhile shannia, as I remember you were one of the big "lolz vaporwarez" promoters before that whole thing was proved wrong.  Though I never realized you were so into WoW, makes sense though I guess.

WoW is bashed and loved on every forum, and the mods have shown no bias to WoW in either way good or bad.  I dont really follow the awards they give but apparently they have been noticed in the last year or two.   As another poster said, while WoW remains as the industry leader, and their expansions have won expansion awards....the game itself is really the same old it was back pre TBC (minus the obvious additions to the game).  So im not really sure what awards you are looking for it to pull in.

Nothing has been proven wrong.  This is no proof of a beta, just Tasos word on it and a bunch of quotes that read like they were all written during one nite of drinking.  Until DFO launches it is still VAPORWARE.

VAPORWARE doesn't mean something isn't real.  It just means there was an unexpected delay and a lot of times never do launch.  So, until that time of said launch, yes, DFO is very much VAPORWARE.

"Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

Enough said.

Originally posted by Shannia

Nothing has been proven wrong.  This is no proof of a beta, just Tasos word on it and a bunch of quotes that read like they were all written during one nite of drinking.  Until DFO launches it is still VAPORWARE.

VAPORWARE doesn't mean something isn't real.  It just means there was an unexpected delay and a lot of times never do launch.  So, until that time of said launch, yes, DFO is very much VAPORWARE.

"Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

Enough said.

 

Videos.  Game being played Live at conventions with media showing a larger dev team and lots of DF stuff.  Beta going on (tinfoil hat club is that way--->) Lots of media coverage, though only in EU.

Oh and the fact that I dont think a publisher would agree to sign on if the game wasnt going to be released.

Game may release in a poor state, we will see soon.  But it dropped is "lolz hai guys its vaporwarez lol" title awhile ago.

Enough said.