Originally posted by Datcyde

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Cynthe

Originally posted by Ayase

I think and hope that the very fact that I'm here right now, replying to this thread, is an indicator of what attention you can expect from us in the future.

 

Honestly I hope so, will the NA and EU website now merge? Since there's no NC Austin anymore.

Afraid I don't have an answer on that right now... We're working on sorting it out.

 

Ayese I think its awsome that that you respond to us!  but   to really care for us then we need to have the Korean version for the game and the NA version of the game to release at the same time or close to that it would be like a "Giant Hand Shake".

Trust me - If we could give it to you sooner, we would. We're not holding on to a finished copy of Aion in English/French/German for the heck of it. ;)

The simplest answer is that there's a lot of work involved in bringing this game to Europe/NA, and we're not willing to make any compromises.

Originally posted by Fihtheninja

The only thing I am worried about is not if you will make a fun game, but rather will it be supported. If you could Ayase, could you help me out with a few questions real quick.

 

1. Will 'the west' receive patches later then Korea
2. How will NCsoft prevent bots
3. Any idea what the GM to player ratio will be
4. Will gold farmers and gold buyers be banned.

Thats all I can really think of as concerns and for an MMORPG and if thats all I can think of then you are doing an amazing job. Heck if we can just have some solid answers (Or the willingness to change to a better solution) on those questions you might end up making 30% of your income in the states rather then 13%.

1. I can of course not see into the future, so it's hard to tell what exactly it will look like, but our aim in the long run is to get it as close as possible, if not eventually at the same time.

2. See question (4) at http://www.aionsource.com/forum/61489-post35.html . I can't go into exact methods (and I hope you have understanding for that), but we will be doing everything that is within our power to make sure that people won't be bothered by such EULA-breaking things.

3. Afraid not. We'll make sure it's enough, though.

4. Yes, to the extent we can. See my answer to question 2. Gold sellers/buyers are impossible to eliminate completely, but we will put resources into making sure that we've done everything we can at the end of the day. As with number #2, I can't go into much more detail. Ultimately, we'll need to prove ourselves capable of handling this, and we will. :)

Originally posted by hadub1

Originally posted by Datcyde

...we need to have the Korean version for the game and the NA version of the game to release at the same time or close to that it would be like a "Giant Hand Shake"....

 

Yes, what happend to simultanious release?  You're going to give us a new MMO in the spring/summer?  What kind of sense does that make?!? 

 

 

Ok I got this one, the world wide release was put off due to Aion's development taking much longer then expected (This game has been delayed so many times but its all for the right reasons) To get everything ready in the west takes time and a ton of work. Its not just translations, it also has to deal with buying servers and getting them set up. Localizing all the content, (A quest wont feel as epic if it is aluding to a masterpiece if we dont understand what on earth its aluding to), legal troubles, junk like that. A world wide release is very hard to pull off and the fact that we will be getting it so soon after Korea's release is amazing by itself

To put this in perspective Blizzard's, The Burning Crusade, didnt release in China till september 10, 2007, even though the expansion came out on January 16, 2007 over in the states

Originally posted by hadub1

Originally posted by Datcyde

...we need to have the Korean version for the game and the NA version of the game to release at the same time or close to that it would be like a "Giant Hand Shake"....

 

Yes, what happend to simultanious release?  You're going to give us a new MMO in the spring/summer?  What kind of sense does that make?!? 

 

 

watch this from a brighter side..if the game will suck , atleast will have some korean feedback..altho i'm dying to play this mmo and it is kinda frustrating that we will have to w8 for another 5-6-7 months for it

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Fihtheninja

The only thing I am worried about is not if you will make a fun game, but rather will it be supported. If you could Ayase, could you help me out with a few questions real quick.

 

1. Will 'the west' receive patches later then Korea
2. How will NCsoft prevent bots
3. Any idea what the GM to player ratio will be
4. Will gold farmers and gold buyers be banned.

Thats all I can really think of as concerns and for an MMORPG and if thats all I can think of then you are doing an amazing job. Heck if we can just have some solid answers (Or the willingness to change to a better solution) on those questions you might end up making 30% of your income in the states rather then 13%.

1. I can of course not see into the future, so it's hard to tell what exactly it will look like, but our aim in the long run is to get it as close as possible, if not eventually at the same time.

2. See question (4) at http://www.aionsource.com/forum/61489-post35.html . I can't go into exact methods (and I hope you have understanding for that), but we will be doing everything that is within our power to make sure that people won't be bothered by such EULA-breaking things.

3. Afraid not. We'll make sure it's enough, though.

4. Yes, to the extent we can. See my answer to question 2. Gold sellers/buyers are impossible to eliminate completely, but we will put resources into making sure that we've done everything we can at the end of the day. As with number #2, I can't go into much more detail. Ultimately, we'll need to prove ourselves capable of handling this, and we will. :)

1. Wow your fast, anyway I understand that you cant see into the future but the fact that NCsoft will still try warms my cold frozen gaming heart.
2. Of course I understand why you cant go into exact methods but hey the fact that you are trying to address it is better then what happened in Lineage 2
3. Perhaps at a later date, heck you haven't started hiring yet
4. Trust me I understand that, I work as a Network Manager, so I know that no matter how hard you try a few will slip past your defenses. The best you can do is get rid of as many as you can.

Originally posted by fixif

Originally posted by hadub1

Originally posted by Datcyde

...we need to have the Korean version for the game and the NA version of the game to release at the same time or close to that it would be like a "Giant Hand Shake"....

 

Yes, what happend to simultanious release?  You're going to give us a new MMO in the spring/summer?  What kind of sense does that make?!? 

 

 

watch this from a brighter side..if the game will suck , atleast will have some korean feedback..altho i'm dying to play this mmo and it is kinda frustrating that we will have to w8 for another 5-6-7 months for it

From what I have read from our alter-egos in Korea this game is one of the best games of all time, and it still is in open beta. Now this means in no way that this game is perfect but this might be the game to drive WoW out of Korea for good.

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Fihtheninja

The only thing I am worried about is not if you will make a fun game, but rather will it be supported. If you could Ayase, could you help me out with a few questions real quick.

 

1. Will 'the west' receive patches later then Korea
2. How will NCsoft prevent bots
3. Any idea what the GM to player ratio will be
4. Will gold farmers and gold buyers be banned.

Thats all I can really think of as concerns and for an MMORPG and if thats all I can think of then you are doing an amazing job. Heck if we can just have some solid answers (Or the willingness to change to a better solution) on those questions you might end up making 30% of your income in the states rather then 13%.

1. I can of course not see into the future, so it's hard to tell what exactly it will look like, but our aim in the long run is to get it as close as possible, if not eventually at the same time.

2. See question (4) at http://www.aionsource.com/forum/61489-post35.html . I can't go into exact methods (and I hope you have understanding for that), but we will be doing everything that is within our power to make sure that people won't be bothered by such EULA-breaking things.

3. Afraid not. We'll make sure it's enough, though.

4. Yes, to the extent we can. See my answer to question 2. Gold sellers/buyers are impossible to eliminate completely, but we will put resources into making sure that we've done everything we can at the end of the day. As with number #2, I can't go into much more detail. Ultimately, we'll need to prove ourselves capable of handling this, and we will. :)

  #4 ok in Lineage II they allow you to make farmer guilds or clans its been a whilelol but its so blatant and retarded maybe i would have gone back if they didnt have that feature . In EvE i had farmers on my friends list and eventualy they get banned - all of them.  I hope in Aion they wont allow blatant farmers at least, that would hurt .

as for a simultanious release i think its just not possible

what we wanted was a game with more story, more options, more quests, more content
all of this has to be localized

if we want a complex gui, voice over quests, cinematic cutscenes then yes i think localisation will take more and more time compared to your simple "go and kill 10 rats" type of game.

i was pretty ok with the update cycle of lineage 2, actually it was quite fun reading rumors and patchnotes from korea a few month after the new chronicle went live. so in l2 you always had something to look forward too.

and on bots/gamesellers: that issue killed lineage2 for me after 4 years of gaming i couldnt stand it anymore. im looking forward to aion but the length of my subscription will be based on the time i feel the game relatively bot free.

I have a lot of faith in NCSoft, they've brought us a lot of great games, even more to come. I highly doubt they'll forget about the western market and even if it is an "after thought" we are still on the list. MMO Gaming is still growing in the west and it would be a bad decision to forget about a market you can still bank on.

Aion is a great game, can't wait for the NA/EU release. Seriously, I am die'n here!

Originally posted by Ayase

2. See question (4) at http://www.aionsource.com/forum/61489-post35.html . I can't go into exact methods (and I hope you have understanding for that), but we will be doing everything that is within our power to make sure that people won't be bothered by such EULA-breaking things.

Since NCsoft uses selective enforcement of the L2 EULA as a technique for maintaining subscriber numbers as high as possible how can your customers be confident that NCsoft will make an honest effort to enforce the EULA in Aion? In other words,  if NCsoft won't enforce the rules in L2 when it doesn't benefit the bottom line why should anyone expect you to enforce the EULA in Aion if it doesn't benefit the bottom line?

Originally posted by Blaad

Originally posted by Ayase

2. See question (4) at http://www.aionsource.com/forum/61489-post35.html . I can't go into exact methods (and I hope you have understanding for that), but we will be doing everything that is within our power to make sure that people won't be bothered by such EULA-breaking things.

 

Since NCsoft uses selective enforcement of the L2 EULA as a technique for maintaining subscriber numbers as high as possible how can your customers be confident that NCsoft will make an honest effort to enforce the EULA in Aion? In other words,  if NCsoft won't enforce the rules in L2 when it doesn't benefit the bottom line why should anyone expect you to enforce the EULA in Aion if it doesn't benefit the bottom line?

I have never worked on Linage II and neither has anyone on my team, so I am unable to give you an answer that pertains to to it. Aion is my focus and you can be sure that it gets my full attention. I know that there are sceptics enough to fill a football stadium out there, however, and many of those won't take my word for it. To that end we can't prove that we will do a serious effort in 'keeping Aion clean' until the show-down comes, but you better count on that we will. :)

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Blaad

Originally posted by Ayase

2. See question (4) at http://www.aionsource.com/forum/61489-post35.html . I can't go into exact methods (and I hope you have understanding for that), but we will be doing everything that is within our power to make sure that people won't be bothered by such EULA-breaking things.

 

Since NCsoft uses selective enforcement of the L2 EULA as a technique for maintaining subscriber numbers as high as possible how can your customers be confident that NCsoft will make an honest effort to enforce the EULA in Aion? In other words,  if NCsoft won't enforce the rules in L2 when it doesn't benefit the bottom line why should anyone expect you to enforce the EULA in Aion if it doesn't benefit the bottom line?

I have never worked on Linage II and neither has anyone on my team, so I am unable to give you an answer that pertains to to it. Aion is my focus and you can be sure that it gets my full attention. I know that there are sceptics enough to fill a football stadium out there, however, and many of those won't take my word for it. To that end we can't prove that we will do a serious effort in 'keeping Aion clean' until the show-down comes, but you better count on that we will. :)

Heh a bit of a cop out but we forgive you for it .  Ayase we have faith in you, and some in your overlords, but you can understand how many times we have been burned as gamers. Just remember if the only thing the informend fans are complaining about is your companys past record of support then you know you have a good game on your hands. Please Ayase tell NCsoft not to mess this up, they have their first strong chance in the west and it would be a shame for it to go down in flames for things as simple as bots, and farmers.

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Blaad

Originally posted by Ayase

2. See question (4) at http://www.aionsource.com/forum/61489-post35.html . I can't go into exact methods (and I hope you have understanding for that), but we will be doing everything that is within our power to make sure that people won't be bothered by such EULA-breaking things.

 

Since NCsoft uses selective enforcement of the L2 EULA as a technique for maintaining subscriber numbers as high as possible how can your customers be confident that NCsoft will make an honest effort to enforce the EULA in Aion? In other words,  if NCsoft won't enforce the rules in L2 when it doesn't benefit the bottom line why should anyone expect you to enforce the EULA in Aion if it doesn't benefit the bottom line?

I have never worked on Linage II and neither has anyone on my team, so I am unable to give you an answer that pertains to to it. Aion is my focus and you can be sure that it gets my full attention. I know that there are sceptics enough to fill a football stadium out there, however, and many of those won't take my word for it. To that end we can't prove that we will do a serious effort in 'keeping Aion clean' until the show-down comes, but you better count on that we will. :)

Hell Yeah Ayese! 

Originally posted by Ayase

I have never worked on Linage II and neither has anyone on my team, so I am unable to give you an answer that pertains to to it. Aion is my focus and you can be sure that it gets my full attention. I know that there are sceptics enough to fill a football stadium out there, however, and many of those won't take my word for it. To that end we can't prove that we will do a serious effort in 'keeping Aion clean' until the show-down comes, but you better count on that we will. :)

I'm glad to hear that and wish you the best.  The game and NCsoft will do better over the long run if the EULA is honestly and consistently enforced.  

same here

i (and i spoke to a lot of ppl that did the same) left lineage2 when botting and ebaying became overwhelming on my server. ill definitly try out aion but the length of my stay will be determined on how soon the cheaters take over.

Originally posted by denshing

As far as whether the NCsoft as a corporation really gives a rats ass about the players.. Well you bet they do, After all, we feed them money so they can make a living + feed us a ltitle bit of content in return to make sure we dont run and stop feeding them.

I REALLY hope this is the way things go. Been playing Rappelz for over a year and half now, I have lost my faith in Korean games/Developers during that time.

Game seems to change the way Koreans demand and western players are sending in petition after petition, bug reports after bug reports - we end up getting upgrade for what the Koreans asked for instead. I have personally reported a skill-bug for over 1 year and it is still un-touched. Yes, I' am a paying customer, they get their milk yet ignore the cow.

Main problem is our GMs can only send e-mails and requests while Korean GMs can discuss things with the devs in person.

Rappelz (just like Aion) is made by Koreans for Koreans. They published it in West, we get passes down what is beeing implemented for Koreans players. We get different rules for cash shop items, eg:
-Koreans get a permenent pet from cash Shop for $15
-West get same pet (but timed for 15/30 days) for $10
West has become a milking cow for the Koreans. They keep milking the players as they wish while we keep whinning to our GMs here in west.

I REALLY hope Aion is different and it prooves me wrong about Koreans games.

PS: Sorry about the story of Rappelz. It was just to give an example of why I don't have any faith in Korean games.

I like to think NCsoft is in a class above games like Rappelz. That may be ignorant of me, I don't know, but NCsoft actually has a western presence that's  more evident.

Rappelz is a F2P game, i think it has nothing to do with Aion that is going to be a P2P game.

Morerover NCSoft as stated clearly that Aion has been developped to try to catch with worlwide audience, not just Korean. They have plans to launch it in China, UE, Europe, South America and so. Sure Aion will have a Korean flavour but i'm sure it has nothing to do with your experience in Rappelz or any other F2P Korean games.

Lineage II (NCSoft developped and distributed like Aion) it's the only experience i got with Korean games. I had only one complain about Lineage II and NCSoft, bots, it has been discused enough and Ayase as representative of NCSoft has talk about it. For the rest Lineage II has been during more than 3 years the best experience i got in the MMORPGs world.

Then i trust NCSoft about his ability to develop and maintain a AAA MMORPG. You can like or not the design of the game, that its just a question of your tastes, but i'm sure NCSoft will deliver a well done and polished game, probably a lot better in this sense that the last unfortunated launchs coming from western companies. Comments from people in the Korean OBT seem to confirm it.

Just my opinion, as allways in the MMORPG world the better is to wait and see.

 i agree with the above post and would like to add a few more points:

1. asian grinder
when  i talked to friends in lineage2 that played from honkong and korean ppl playing from the us they assured me that no, grinding is not their preferd way of playing.
the fact that there are so many asian grinders is that spawning a mob is far cheaper then writing a quest, scripting encounters and doing cutscenes. so i think its more of a economic descision from asian devs to go for grind and a very tough leveling curve then storytelling

2. internatonal market
another fact that proofes that asians only want to grind is the success of wow in the asian market.
also with many western mmos coming to the asian market the overall competition gets harder.  nc soft was many years like microsoft in terms of mmos on the asian market. as long as there was no serious competator they lacked the motivation to improve in terms of questing and storytelling.

but make no mistake in underestimating them. they had fun sieging and pvp in lineage2 years bevore western mmos and many old l2 players say they have yet to find a game on the western market that rivals l2 in these areas of pvp.

on the issue of record breaking open beta subscription im a bit more sceptical tough.
we have to keep in mind that ob is free so many ppl playing lineage 1 or 2 will try out aion. wether they can a marketshare from rival mmos is only to be seen when its life a few month.

There is a 100% solution to this but as you asked this question I can tell you won’t like it.

Wait till one month after the launch, read the reviews, make your mind up. Conversely get caught up in the hype, buy the 10 day head start preorder  and live to regret it. It looks a great game to me, but I am going to be waiting that month. :)