If you have a whole guild helping you out and not much life, off course you can get to 80 that fast.

On the other hand, if you make it take a long time like in Linage 2, you loses all casual players since they never ever got to max level. If you really want a challenge and wan't leveling up to take long time, go play L2.

Blizzard are aiming for the big mass of players and therefore they are doing right by releasing this amount of content and time to level. Also you have to count that they would have a hard time of getting new players if it took forever from 1-80.

Wow is kinda for games what pop music is for music, it is easy to listen to and popular. If you don't like it try something hardcore instead. Just don't expect Brittney Spears to start playing Black metal or Wow to turn into a hardcore game, I am not saying Wow is bad but it is aiming for the huge masses. Hardcore players should go to L2 or DF...

Blizzard knows what it's audience wants.

The last few days have taught me that whatever results from Vardar's fingers (or whatever appendege it uses to type) is complete junk.

I would say 68 hours to "complete" WotLK is actually worth the purchase, especially if you do it within the first free month and unsubscribe right away.
Most non-MMO games out there have like 10-20 hours of game worth for 50-70 bucks.

Now I understand that this is still disappointing but that's the problem of theme park MMOs: aside from the PvE content made by the _devs_, there's nothing much to do.

Wait for the wave of sandbox MMOs that is incoming. Player-driven games don't have that problem.

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by vardar

This kind of news is very disturbing, for the  players and for Blizzard. You would never ever see or hear this kind of news coming from games like EQ, hell no!!, Just proves how downgraded games are now a days. I dont care if these guys are world #1 or not, the material that Blizzard put out is not worth the money, like i said before, its the same content as the original WoW. Thx for these guys for proving that this expansion is not worth it.

 

So you have not played WoW:WOTLK yet feel your entitled to pass judgment on it because you read some place some 1 decided to bypass the quests, dungeons and content and just grind mobs for 64 hours to be the first to 80.

What you read is the exception and not the rule, I Have played abour 10-12 hours id say since thursday and I only dinged 70 today, doing the odd dungeon run and plently of questing (got my 1500 quest achievemnt too).

He, or as the matter is, they didn't just level their toons to 80, they took down the lich king aswell. That is, the topend raid in the game, in 3 bloody days. What's that telling you about the endgame-content in WotLK?

Realize that, what you mean in what players want is actually what "western" players want.

Games developed by Asians are imitating Asian's traditional gaming style.  Long levels, so whoever works the hardest will be stronger in levels, have better skills, and have more to show from their hardwork.  Yes, that means not every Dick and Harry will be able to get to max level with little effort.  (Or should I say every Chan and Lee?)

Also, traditional Asian MMORPG events that involve alot of players usually does not require max level to be reached in order to participate.  It is only once they are exposed to western style of gaming that Asians are exposed to the idea of  "end game" content.  Basically, the "end game" content for traditional Asian games does not require max level to be reached.

Asians traditionally did not really have as much needs to kill other players single handedly out of pure ego, if we can't do it by ourselves, we team up with others and combine our strength.  (Do not confuse this as teaming up and just use each other)  Asian gamers that likes an ego trip put in enough time into the game to prove their strength.  There are no traditional Asian MMORPG that a player can simply sit around all day and somehow end up with all the equipments they need.  A character's strength is equal to the player's commitment to the game.  Of course, as the international MMO industry starting merge, the Asian developed MMORPG style start to change dramatically to fit the international market.

The Asian MMORPG that are released in the last 5 years, are actually not even traditional Asian MMORPG anymore, but watered down version in various aspect, and will continue to do so as long as the western player base demand shorter grinding.  This is actually a change in progress, however, most players are just too impatient to even see the change, or just have no knowledge of traditional Asian MMORPG to begin with.

Your problem?  Nothing.  As a human being you are perfectly fine being only able to look at the world through your own eyes.  Empathy is not exactly something everyone are born with.

If you are just a WoW fanboi, howvever, I have just wasted all that time typing when I could have been doing something more constructive.  At least someone might read this and learn something.

we forgot you've already done all the dungeons/raids they added, havent you?! play the damn game dont whine just cause you've gotten to the level cap and not experienced anything, your fault not theirs

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Originally posted by slask777
He, or as the matter is, they didn't just level their toons to 80, they took down the lich king aswell. That is, the topend raid in the game, in 3 bloody days. What's that telling you about the endgame-content in WotLK?

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This is how idiotic rumors spread. You heard from someone else who heard yet from another person... etc. etc. And each of you added something from yourself to the rumor. GG

They did't kill Lich King, he isn't even in game yet (as a Raid boss). All they did was clear first _entry_ level raid instance for WotLK.

And while we are at it, why would it bother me or any _normal_ player? They are sponsored to play games hardcore. They had months of preparations on beta servers, they had months of preparations (gearing, stacking consumables etc) on live server. And all this just so they can do it asap, world first.

Honestly before average player even sees this instance Blizzard will probably release another one in next content patch.

So stop repeating false rumors, stop jumping bandwagon of hysteria and think for yourself.

Originally posted by eldanloco

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Ok, just to set this straight.

You are talking about one player, basically exploiting his guild to get to 80.  He didn't quest, he didn't enjoy any instances.  He just ran around tapping mobs while his guild ran behind him and killed them.

If you do the quests, run instances whle you level up.. it will probably take most players about a month to get to 80.

But you see, that is the error.. once you are at 80, you still have about 20 dungeons to do, a ton of daily quests and reputations,  bgs and arena, not to mention 10 or so raids.

Getting to 70 is not the end of the game.. it is only the beginning of the majority of the content.

Originally posted by goatus

 

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Originally posted by slask777
He, or as the matter is, they didn't just level their toons to 80, they took down the lich king aswell. That is, the topend raid in the game, in 3 bloody days. What's that telling you about the endgame-content in WotLK?

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This is how idiotic rumors spread. You heard from someone else who heard yet from another person... etc. etc. And each of you added something from yourself to the rumor. GG

They did't kill Lich King, he isn't even in game yet (as a Raid boss). All they did was clear first _entry_ level raid instance for WotLK.

And while we are at it, why would it bother me or any _normal_ player? They are sponsored to play games hardcore. They had months of preparations on beta servers, they had months of preparations (gearing, stacking consumables etc) on live server. And all this just so they can do it asap, world first.

Honestly before average player even sees this instance Blizzard will probably release another one in next content patch.

So stop repeating false rumors, stop jumping bandwagon of hysteria and think for yourself.

It's still an expansion full of turd-burgers, lazy-ass copy/paste work and intended for the casual players. Hardcore will blow through it in no time, go back to being bored and spam /trade with useless shit. Another note is that even though they got all the top-end stuff at 70, all that crap is more or less useless at 80 if WotLK follow the same suit concerning gear as TBC did. So that they had months getting gear blablabla on live servers is bullshit, and you know it.

Originally posted by slask777

 

It's still an expansion full of turd-burgers, lazy-ass copy/paste work and intended for the casual players. Hardcore will blow through it in no time, go back to being bored and spam /trade with useless shit.

If you would play the game, you know it is NOT.

They didn't use any single old build from the old content (like Keeps or Inns).

So before commenting you should play the game first. The new world is nothing short of amazing.

Originally posted by strategy

Originally posted by slask777

 

It's still an expansion full of turd-burgers, lazy-ass copy/paste work and intended for the casual players. Hardcore will blow through it in no time, go back to being bored and spam /trade with useless shit.

 

If you would play the game, you know it is NOT.

They didn't use any single old build from the old content (like Keeps or Inns).

So before commenting you should play the game first. The new world is nothing short of amazing.

No thanks, TBC was copy/paste from classic, just mobs/armor and weapons with new skins. I'm on an extended break now from that game and have no reason at all to believe all you braindead fanboys when it comes to WotLK. You will praise Blizzard whatever they do and fanboys will hype even the most shitty turd out there.

I'm playing alot of those excellent singleplayer games that's out instead. Jade Empire for the pc was nothing more than short of amazing. Bloody damn good work from Bioware. Dead Space is a good game so far, and Fallout3 is really impressive. Bethesda took what was good from Oblivion and scrapped all the bad stuff from that game. Race Driver Grid is entertaining me with it's sense of speed, especially the replays. You mistake those for the real thing if it caught you unaware. I've also rediscovered some old gems like Sacred, Dungeon Siege and Vampire the Masquerade. Lot's of mods and extra stuff out now for those games.

Originally posted by Neosai

Realize that, what you mean in what players want is actually what "western" players want.

Games developed by Asians are imitating Asian's traditional gaming style.  Long levels, so whoever works the hardest will be stronger in levels, have better skills, and have more to show from their hardwork.  Yes, that means not every Dick and Harry will be able to get to max level with little effort.  (Or should I say every Chan and Lee?)

Also, traditional Asian MMORPG events that involve alot of players usually does not require max level to be reached in order to participate.  It is only once they are exposed to western style of gaming that Asians are exposed to the idea of  "end game" content.  Basically, the "end game" content for traditional Asian games does not require max level to be reached.

Asians traditionally did not really have as much needs to kill other players single handedly out of pure ego, if we can't do it by ourselves, we team up with others and combine our strength.  (Do not confuse this as teaming up and just use each other)  Asian gamers that likes an ego trip put in enough time into the game to prove their strength.  There are no traditional Asian MMORPG that a player can simply sit around all day and somehow end up with all the equipments they need.  A character's strength is equal to the player's commitment to the game.  Of course, as the international MMO industry starting merge, the Asian developed MMORPG style start to change dramatically to fit the international market.

The Asian MMORPG that are released in the last 5 years, are actually not even traditional Asian MMORPG anymore, but watered down version in various aspect, and will continue to do so as long as the western player base demand shorter grinding.  This is actually a change in progress, however, most players are just too impatient to even see the change, or just have no knowledge of traditional Asian MMORPG to begin with.

Your problem?  Nothing.  As a human being you are perfectly fine being only able to look at the world through your own eyes.  Empathy is not exactly something everyone are born with.

If you are just a WoW fanboi, howvever, I have just wasted all that time typing when I could have been doing something more constructive.  At least someone might read this and learn something.

Play FFXI and tell me that.. Asain MMO, VERY end game oriented.

Originally posted by slask777

 

He, or as the matter is, they didn't just level their toons to 80, they took down the lich king aswell. That is, the topend raid in the game, in 3 bloody days. What's that telling you about the endgame-content in WotLK?

No they didn't down the Lich King. learn to read.

What they did was using the open Beta for 5 months long to plan and analyse HOW they could level to 80 with multi tagging of some player "slaves"..

Then had a well prepared plan during the last 2 months of how to skip content to end up to the latest raiding bosses and then yell on their website they downed a  few bosses in 65 + hours time.

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So in fact they played and prepared everything for a period of 5 months. They used ALL of their guild to help tag some 25 people to power level them through level 80 without seeing any content at all.

And then used the techniques prepared during 2 months to down some end bosses. They "played" these bosses 7/7 days for 2 months long at 6 hours a day.

That's open Beta to Blizz: they let their players test everything. But these idiots just abused the system.

But still they didn't down the Lich King,  you should reread. The Lich King isn't even in the game at the moment.

Conlusion: IF they didn't PLAY it for 5 months in Open Beta and IF they didn't have fools in their guild working in shifts and multi player/accounts using to illegal power level them, they wouldn't have downed anything by now.

Instead of making silly noises about some fools using multi persons/accounts, you should revisit the game and see they do NOT use the same housing and landscape system. The zones are incredible compared to earlier content and you just miss it by a wide length.

No silly posts will help you out on this one.

Actually people reached the level cap of several expansions in EQ within a couple of days as well.   I remember the AOEing in Fungus Grove Luclin era in particular, players hit the level cap in a matter of hours.

So the OP is wrong, simple as.

There are always people in every game that feel compelled to be first to the top.  They are an extreme minority.  Most players fall somewhere in the middle and you get your moneys worth.  The people who rush through end up having to wait longer than the rest of us for new content :)

Originally posted by SgtFrog

they probably used some sort of exploit, they always do.

 Actually the first person to 80 made it in 27 hours and they did not use a exploit as the guy ahead of him did and was made 70 again as punishment.

 Point being WoW is not hard if you have the time to grind, but if you choose to grind to 80 then yes your gonna miss alot of the content

What kills me is that this thread is totally stupid because noone knows wtf the OP was even talking about...he's not talking about someone leveling to 80 in 68 hours and 30 minutes...he's talking about all endgame content (raids) being completed.  Check it out for yourselves over here and quit having a hissy fit over some shit the post isn't even about.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/

There is what the OP was talking about.  Now discuss that instead of jumping way off topic even though it was the OP's fault that he didn't explain wtf he was talking about worth jack.

Originally posted by Recant

Actually people reached the level cap of several expansions in EQ within a couple of days as well.   I remember the AOEing in Fungus Grove Luclin era in particular, players hit the level cap in a matter of hours.

So the OP is wrong, simple as.

I remember a warlock in my guild leveling her froglock from 60-70 in under 18 hours.  It was pretty impressive back then, but it is pretty commonplace in MMOs today.  

People like to be first to hit end level for some reason and there are plenty of strategies to do so.  Millions and Millions of gamers will always find ways to do things that a few hundred developers never intended.  It doesn't matter what the game is.

I believe Athene and his mates was under 24 hours incl. preparation... im not sure how much time it took them exactly.. but right before the they dinged 80, a GM came on and banned them... GF Athene..              but they did it... this is for 70-80

But the 68 hours and 30 mins is about  nihilum clearing the raid bosses in WoTLK.

Originally posted by mantii

What kills me is that this thread is totally stupid because noone knows wtf the OP was even talking about...he's not talking about someone leveling to 80 in 68 hours and 30 minutes...he's talking about all endgame content (raids) being completed.  Check it out for yourselves over here and quit having a hissy fit over some shit the post isn't even about.

 

http://www.mmo-champion.com/

 

There is what the OP was talking about.  Now discuss that instead of jumping way off topic even though it was the OP's fault that he didn't explain wtf he was talking about worth jack.

Agreed.

What these guys do is not representative of normal gameplay. They are professional gamers who work this stuff out months in advance. 

It's not "disturbing" in the least.