Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 In a well designed sandbox, most players would think they were in a themepark game.

What's your definition of a sandbox MMORPG and give me a reference to which game you draw that conclusion from. Also, give me an example of a current sandbox MMORPG that makes a player feel like they are playing in a theme-park MMORPG.

If you cannot list a current sandbox MMORPG worth playing, then why would a person not play WoW if they like it?

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

Thank you for proving my point. Following the crowd is always easier than to disagree and stand for something different.

Frankly, a new continent with more dungeons, only 1 new BG, 1 new Profession, and 1 Hero Class, in this WotLK expansion... seems to be only half of the content potential that was released in Burning Crusade. Burning Crusade had 2 new regions (Draenei/Blood Elf), 2 new races (already mentioned), new continent (Outland), 1 new BG, 1 new profession, and your standard extra raids.

If you compare WotLK and BC, your content for WotLK is gimped compared to BC. And I'm sure people enjoy getting ripped by Blizzard's wizening idea of how to effectively milk people for their money. I think CCP does a more effective job at deserving peoples' money without paying for expansion packs like Blizzard does.

I mean, look at Starcraft 2. Their reason for splitting it into 3 games was supposedly for "more content". I smell bullcr*p. Sure they can do it, but what is stopping them from packing it into 1 game? Instead of paying for 3 of them!

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I posted this from another thread, but the point is relevant to this one.

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Following the crowd is always easier than to disagree and stand for something different.

I don't give a damn about proving your point. I'm for choice no matter what that choice is. Sounds to me like you are one of those arrogant peopel who "know what's best" for people because you feel you are more right.

Just for that I'm buying two copies.

And stand for something different?

I listen to atonal and 12 tone music as well as the music of Palesrtina and Gesualdo.

I compose music for theater that is not accessible to the average person and I think the plays of Tom Stoppard are hilarious.

My whole life is different. Time that you learned that people are more than just the video games they play.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

With all due respect to Blizzard as excelent company , I think it is time to say NO to World of Warcraft!

 

12 million users = 12 million reasons for game developers to continue feeding us theme park simplified grind based carrot on the stick abominations they today call MMO

If you go and buy WoTLK you are voting with your wallet for continuation of the trend that destroyed Sandbox , complex virtual worlds.

 

I just want to remind you of that.

Its up to us gamers to vote for a change now.

 

With all due respect....

Your campaign reminds me a bit of another recent campaign (they lost, btw) that presumed to know how other people want to live their lives and what they personally believed.  Are you coming out for the Conservative Gamer's Party?  Is a presidential candidacy soon to be announced?  How very exciting! 

/whips out voter ID (a.k.a. VISA credit card) and runs to GameStop to cast vote

(I get to vote TWICE too, which I consider a PRIVILEGE, not a waste.)

I'm just sayin'......

EDIT:  Funny that the poster above me read it the same.  They were posting, apparently, while I was typing.  Even though their response was directed at a different poster, while mine was directed at the OP.  The fact that we typed essentially the same thing, is a bit comical to me.  lol

Well I was going to join in with the whiny crowd stamping there feet and having a tantrum - but instead im going to get WOTLK tonight at midnight and enjoy the hell out of myself with it.

I game for fun - wow is fun - so says 12 million people including me.

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

I don't recall her saying that 12 million subs makes the game great. Instead, she listed several reasons why "she" thought it was a great game, worthy of 12 million subs.

Who are you to tell a person what they do and do not "really" believe? What analysis have you done to support your opinion, which you stated like it was fact, right before you wrapped up your post saying it's just your opinion, concerning that the majority of WOW players do not enjoy WoW? Have you had the analysis published? If so, where, so I can ready it.

Ignorant and delusional. Talk about calling the kettle black.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Following the crowd is always easier than to disagree and stand for something different.

 

I don't give a damn about proving your point. I'm for choice no matter what that choice is. Sounds to me like you are one of those arrogant peopel who "know what's best" for people because you feel you are more right.

Just for that I'm buying two copies.

I never once said I "know what's best" for people. I simply implied how I felt about the matter and what it seemed like from my point of view. If you do not like to hear what others have to say, even when you do not agree with them, maybe you shouldnt be on a forum site, my friend.

Furthermore, if you choose to go out and blow all your hard-earned money on multiple copies of World of Warcraft, then that is your problem, not mine. Have fun!

Closest thing i came to a "sandbox game" would have been Star Wars Galaxies when it first came out...waay before the NGE and CU changes, and or also possibly EvE Online, but comparing EvE to WoW is a whole other thread.

Honestly i tried WoW when it first came out, but it just does not catch my eye, im not going to bash the game, hell its got 12 million subs so its gotta be doing something right, its only fitting that the biggest mmo jaugernot would be targeted as "cookie cutter shaped, non sandbox based, and based on the whims of 12 year olds" by people who may or may not have thier own justifications and reasons as to why it should fail. I agree to some aspects of the game are rehashed, recycled and dont deserve an X amount of $$ for each expansion but at the same time it appeases to a certain crowd of people, and hell if im not paying for WoW, its up to that individual to cough up the $$ for each expansion pack, Besides Blizzard is not the only guilty party for making peeps shell out dough for content that should be free.

I.E. EA with Battlefield 2 and all of the ludircious expansion packs for the game

Star Wars Galaxies with their crap tastic expansions

Planetside with the retarded Aftershiock BFR's and Caverns...

The list goes on.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

I don't recall her saying that 12 million subs makes the game great. Instead, she listed several reasons why "she" thought it was a great game, worthy of 12 million subs.

Who are you to tell a person what they do and do not "really" believe? What analysis have you done to support your opinion, which you stated like it was fact, right before you wrapped up your post saying it's just your opinion, concerning that the majority of WOW players do not enjoy WoW? Have you had the analysis published? If so, where, so I can ready it.

Ignorant and delusional. Talk about calling the kettle black.

Yes, but from my perspective, she was implying that the game was great. Just because a person doesnt come right out and say how they feel in the "specific words", doesnt mean that is not what they are meaning to say. She stresses very seriously about the subs. And even went as far as to say there will be many more joining, "15 million subs" as if using that as a advantage to the point at hand she was trying to make.

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Following the crowd is always easier than to disagree and stand for something different.

 

I don't give a damn about proving your point. I'm for choice no matter what that choice is. Sounds to me like you are one of those arrogant peopel who "know what's best" for people because you feel you are more right.

Just for that I'm buying two copies.

 

I never once said I "know what's best" for people. I simply implied how I felt about the matter and what it seemed like from my point of view. If you do not like to hear what others have to say, even when you do not agree with them, maybe you shouldnt be on a forum site, my friend.

Furthermore, if you choose to go out and blow all your hard-earned money on multiple copies of World of Warcraft, then that is your problem, not mine. Have fun!

 

I have no problem with listening to people's well thought out and presented views. But I don't presume to dictate to people what they should consider quality.

And that is what this thread is about. If you see my appended post you will learn that I pretty much skirt the edge of what is considered interesting and accepable to the general populace. And yet I still support those who enjoy whatever it is that they enjoy. Be it Hello Kitty, Porn, Pushing Daisies, Arrowsmith, Yes, C.P.E. Bach or Disney.

I woulld never be so arrogant as to tell people not to do something becasue it doesn't fit into my world view.

Originally posted by argos5

Frankly, a new continent with more dungeons, only 1 new BG, 1 new Profession, and 1 Hero Class, in this WotLK expansion... seems to be only half of the content potential that was released in Burning Crusade. Burning Crusade had 2 new regions (Draenei/Blood Elf), 2 new races (already mentioned), new continent (Outland), 1 new BG, 1 new profession, and your standard extra raids.

 

If you compare WotLK and BC, your content for WotLK is gimped compared to BC. And I'm sure people enjoy getting ripped by Blizzard's wizening idea of how to effectively milk people for their money. I think CCP does a more effective job at deserving peoples' money without paying for expansion packs like Blizzard does.

 

I mean, look at Starcraft 2. Their reason for splitting it into 3 games was supposedly for "more content". I smell bullcr*p. Sure they can do it, but what is stopping them from packing it into 1 game? Instead of paying for 3 of them!

 

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I posted this from another thread, but the point is relevant to this one.

What does CCP do to deserve money. Please list examples, so this can properly be debated.

What proof do you have to offer that supports your position that Blizzard is lying about their reasons for creating two seperate Starcraft 2 games? If a game is actually as large as two games, why not create two seperate games? The only crap I smell is that of your empty accusations.

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Following the crowd is always easier than to disagree and stand for something different.

The world was proven to be flat and doesn't make a good analogy just because people lacked the ability to understand math, physics and geography.  Somehow I doubt in the years to come a scientist will come along and prove that WoW is broken and people have not been enjoying WoW more than other games of its time.  

McDonalds is perhaps the highest quality FAST FOOD restaurant, becaus every idiot hounds their reputation for quality while turning a blind eye to the 1200 calorie death burgers released by COMPARABLE FAST FOOD restaurants.  Sure you can compare fast food to gourmet dining, but that doesn't make a relative comparison.

For every bad analogy you can come up with where something popular doesn't equate to quality I'm sure there are just as many where quality has lead to run away success.  That is why analogies are not a good example.  Talking about hamburgers doesn't validate your opinions about an MMO does it?

WoW is dominating the genre, because as much as people here do not want to acknowledge it, WoW is a superior product in in comparison to just about every other MMO when compared side by side.  Some games do a few things better here and there, but overall it is hardly a comparison right now.  As much as I wish it were not the case. 

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Following the crowd is always easier than to disagree and stand for something different.

 

I don't give a damn about proving your point. I'm for choice no matter what that choice is. Sounds to me like you are one of those arrogant peopel who "know what's best" for people because you feel you are more right.

Just for that I'm buying two copies.

 

I never once said I "know what's best" for people. I simply implied how I felt about the matter and what it seemed like from my point of view. If you do not like to hear what others have to say, even when you do not agree with them, maybe you shouldnt be on a forum site, my friend.

Furthermore, if you choose to go out and blow all your hard-earned money on multiple copies of World of Warcraft, then that is your problem, not mine. Have fun!

 

 

I have no problem with listening to people's well thought out and presented views. But I don't presume to dictate to people what they should consider quality.

And that is what this thread is about. If you see my appended post you will learn that I pretty much skirt the edge of what is considered interesting and accepable to the general populace. And yet I still support those who enjoy whatever it is that they enjoy. Be it Hello Kitty, Porn, Pushing Daisies, Arrowsmith, Yes, C.P.E. Bach or Disney.

I woulld never be so arrogant as to tell people not to do something becasue it doesn't fit into my world view.

As neither did I. I wasnt trying to force what I said down anyone's throat and make them follow it. Please read my orginal reply again. At the end, I even said  "Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings."
 

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

I have no problem with listening to people's well thought out and presented views. But I don't presume to dictate to people what they should consider quality.

And that is what this thread is about. If you see my appended post you will learn that I pretty much skirt the edge of what is considered interesting and accepable to the general populace. And yet I still support those who enjoy whatever it is that they enjoy. Be it Hello Kitty, Porn, Pushing Daisies, Arrowsmith, Yes, C.P.E. Bach or Disney.

I woulld never be so arrogant as to tell people not to do something becasue it doesn't fit into my world view.

As neither did I. I wasnt trying to force what I said down anyone's throat and make them follow it. Please read my orginal reply again. At the end, I even said  "Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to the their own thoughts and feelings."
 

 

I read it and it's well written.. But it so drips with haughtiness and disregard to those who enjoy wow that it's completely damning.

I mean seriously. Comparing it with people who thougth the world was flat? And indicating that people can go on believing what they like is good?

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

It's a good game for what it is. And what it does. If people love it then more power to them. It might not be the end all and be all but I very much enjoy listening to those who absolutely love it because it is different from the other things in their lives.

So sure, you didn't come out and say people were scum for liking it but there is very little in your post that seems to have any good regard for people who do like it.

And as far as telling people not to buy it, that comment is more for the initial thrust and timbre of the thread, nof because you said "people shouldn't buy it".

So no, I don't attribute the original post with your work.. that can just be aimed at the op.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

With all due respect to Blizzard as excelent company , I think it is time to say NO to World of Warcraft!

 

12 million users = 12 million reasons for game developers to continue feeding us theme park simplified grind based carrot on the stick abominations they today call MMO

If you go and buy WoTLK you are voting with your wallet for continuation of the trend that destroyed Sandbox , complex virtual worlds.

 

I just want to remind you of that.

Its up to us gamers to vote for a change now.

 

Not everyone shares your love of Sandbox MMo's. WoW's Subscription numbers show that.I and stupid to say ok now quit supporting a company just because you do not like it or what they may be doing. I say if you like this game by all means buy the expansion and enjoy yourself thats what games are for and if you do not like this game move on.
 

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by argos5

Frankly, a new continent with more dungeons, only 1 new BG, 1 new Profession, and 1 Hero Class, in this WotLK expansion... seems to be only half of the content potential that was released in Burning Crusade. Burning Crusade had 2 new regions (Draenei/Blood Elf), 2 new races (already mentioned), new continent (Outland), 1 new BG, 1 new profession, and your standard extra raids.

 

If you compare WotLK and BC, your content for WotLK is gimped compared to BC. And I'm sure people enjoy getting ripped by Blizzard's wizening idea of how to effectively milk people for their money. I think CCP does a more effective job at deserving peoples' money without paying for expansion packs like Blizzard does.

 

I mean, look at Starcraft 2. Their reason for splitting it into 3 games was supposedly for "more content". I smell bullcr*p. Sure they can do it, but what is stopping them from packing it into 1 game? Instead of paying for 3 of them!

 

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I posted this from another thread, but the point is relevant to this one.

 

What does CCP do to deserve money. Please list examples, so this can properly be debated.

What proof do you have to offer that supports your position that Blizzard is lying about their reasons for creating two seperate Starcraft 2 games? If a game is actually as large as two games, why not create two seperate games? The only crap I smell is that of your empty accusations.

Sorry i had to reply to the last sentence and paragraph.

A. Eve Online has never charged for an expansion..period, I have yet to see a game that cranks out expansions and new content at such a consistent level while keeping them free.

B. Knowing full well what a cash cow Starcaft initially was, Blizzard knew they could milk it till the cows come home (literally) After initially announcing it as a single game which now gets broken down into 3. Its way besides blatently obvious they did that for profit reasons...I mean c'mon...seriously...the only thing that would beat SC2 is Jesus's 2nd coming..but he will be busy waiting for the other 2 expansions...sigh.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Interesting speech you wrote there. It is a shame you are among the ones who are delirious, gullible, and blind to the fact that just because it has 12 millions subs, doesnt mean it is a great game. More numbers doesnt neccessarily mean that something is bettter or indeed worth anything. 

Centuries ago, people strongly believed in the earth being flat. Only a few actually believed that it was not and indeed we can see in our time, the minority was right. Also, take for example McDonalds, it serves over a billion customers worldwide. But does that make it great? Not at all. I can list so many other restaurants that are much better, by standards, quality, taste, and even worth compared to price. 

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to their own thoughts and feelings. 

 

 

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that he plays because he enjoys it.

Well youi know what? I have extra money, I'm just going to purchase a copy tomorrow in celebration of this thread.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Following the crowd is always easier than to disagree and stand for something different.

 

The world was proven to be flat and doesn't make a good analogy just because people lacked the ability to understand math, physics and geography. 

McDonalds is perhaps the highest quality FAST FOOD restaurant, becaus every idiot hounds their reputation for quality while turning a blind eye to the 1200 calorie death burgers released by COMPARABLE restaurants.  Sure you can compare fast foor to gourmet dining, but that doesn't make a relatice comparison.

For every bad analogy you can come up with where something popular doesn't equate to quality I'm sure there are just as many where quality has lead to run away success.  That is why analogies are not a good example.  Talking about hamburgers doesn't validate your opinions about an MMO does it?

 

WoW is dominating the genre, because as much as people here do not want to acknowledge it, WoW is a superior product in in comparison to just about every other MMO when compared side by side.  Some games do a few things better here and there, but overall it is hardly a comparison right now.  As much as I wish it were not the case. 

 

 

 

Ugh.. News flash! The world has been proven a Sphere, not flat. And that was not discovered by our modern time. The early greeks, discovered the Earth being a sphere. Around 330 BC, Aristotle provided observational evidence for the spherical Earth. You need to learn your History, my friend.

As far as McDonalds goes, Food restaurants are food restaurants. Period. It is a place that you go and buy food. My point was valid in relation to comparing MMORPGs to the sort. Just because one MMORPG is more PvE based, at the same time another may be more PvP based. Some are linear, some are sandbox. There are many type of restaurants, whether they serve fast food or gourmet food, they are all restaurants. As the case with the subject at hand, there are many types of MMORPGs but at the end of the day, they are all MMORPGs.

Wow being superior product is a matter of opinion, and that only. Sales and subscriptions do not make a product, superior quality. Not everyone loves World of Warcraft. Get over it and move on!

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Wow being superior product is a matter of opinion, and that only. Sales and subscriptions do not make a product, superior quality. Not everyone loves World of Warcraft. Get over it and move on!

To a certain extant that's true. Quite frankly the level of polish that WoW had does seem to dwarf a good many games out there.

But you also touch upon an interesting point. What does make it a superior product?

Part of that is subjective but part of that can be measured in a concrete way.

It is a very polished game and it does have a very polished user experience. from events to prizes to a fan fest.

So just because somehting is liked by a majority doesn't mean that it is a bad thing either.