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Arcken
 Apprentice Member
Joined: 8/14/04
Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included. |
11/11/08 3:24:17 AM#41
Originally posted by bodypass
I guess you stand all alone with your opinion :))) 11.000.000 subscriptions don't agree with you. As the rest stands at under 250K and most at under 100K, it is really a question of complete dominance of the MMORPG market. Now let's take that yearly 1.2 billion dollars turnover Blizzard makes tx to Wow.... and rereading what you just wrote .... We could agree it's by far the most important gaming launch in PC history. No PC game comes even close and that 11. 000.000 paying subs - in a 4 year built up - even beats the most succesfull Nintendo launches by a wide margin (40 million copies of Pokemon is peanuts compared to the yearly turnover of monthly/hourly paid and played totals of WoW.). Think about that first. --------- The only VALID rating system is the number of subscriptions btw (paying to vote !) and Wow stands at 4.5 million western subs atm, while the others are under 0.25.
Now I like how youve reigned in your argument and revised it by saying "its by far the most important gaming launch in PC history. That tells me youve seen the flaw in the previous statement and decided to correct it. Secondly Id say the first game ever to be released on a PC to be far more important than the numbers this expansion will have, speaking purely from the standpoint of whats important, as opposed to what makes the most money. Id say there are many, and I mean many more important events from the birth of the PC that are far more important to the genre overall than the release of 1 expansion for WoW. Id whittle it down to specifics and say that the release of M59, UO, or even EQ were far more important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to MMOs than 1 expansion for WoW. Speaking financially, its a moot point, given the number of players in the genre right now, there wasnt much of a risk being taken by Blizzard at this point. Say 200 years from now, there will be countless games that make more money per expansion, theres no doubt about that. However there will only be certain games remembered as the grandfather of the genre as Ive mentioned, those will be remembered, WoW will be remembered as the mainstream force that commercialized the genre, and nothing more. |
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11/11/08 3:36:41 AM#42
Originally posted by Slampig
I'm getting tired of people using WoW as a scapegoat for the poor standard of MMO's recently. You shouldn't blame Blizzard for creating a succesful model. Instead blame those developers who copy instead of innovate. WoW does not purport to be an RPG. It is laughable to even consider it such. To be quite honest it should not even be on MMORPG.com as you can see the regard to which it is held amongst this community. I love WoW for what it is - casual, fun, instant-gratication. It is not Baldur's Gate: Online, nor should it pretend to be. Don't get me wrong - I am still waiting for that 'holy grail' of an MMO that incorporates all the dream RPG features we all want in a persistent online world, but quite frankly we are probably 10-20 years away from that. In the meantime, I will stick with WoW.
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11/11/08 4:03:58 AM#43
Originally posted by Zayne3145 uuhm so i have to blame the dev's of WoW right? sorry but there is no inovation in WoW To the OP: do you think this will work from Day 1 ? There is a great chance that not all will work in the first weeks after releasing the addon .... |
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11/11/08 4:08:43 AM#44
Biggest event in gaming history? Nah, not really. The launch of classic WoW does qualify as an game and gender changing event, the launch of this expansion does not. Still, I'm sure plenty of people will enjoy this new expansion, which is all that matters. I should note that the subscription numbers and the money Blizzard is making does not justify the amount of content and the number of expansions produced so far (and their state when they are released, I hope this expansion is complete this time and not at the sorry state of TBC). As a previous poster mentioned, Blizzard is making an enormous amount of money compared to other MMO makers, yet they produce more and cheaper content than Blizzard (thinking about LOTRO and EVE mostly). So, while I'll be playing this expansion (I'm checking all MMOs and expansions), I sure wished Blizzard put a bit more of that money they make back into the game. |
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11/11/08 4:18:48 AM#45
game changing event.. are you on crack? oh you play wow. that explains it...
greatest game event.. quite possibly the launch of windows 3.0 HAHA why ... because before windows we only had Dos... so without windows you have no crap.. err i mean wow.....
yes i hate wow.. cause its a noobish game. might be nicely developed for people but i find it lacks too much.. this Xp isnt really anything new. all games do Xps.. doesnt change the game much.. just condences about 20 updates in to one install CD haha so u think its a new add on but it just adds patchs..
FYI most mmos allow level increase server side.. soo really u dont need an xp to get more maps or more levels... blizard is just farming gold as it were haha CPU: Intel Core i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz @ 2.8GHz (0%) |
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11/11/08 4:51:28 AM#46
"48 hours to go untill one of the biggest gaming events in history kicks off " Wrong. Warhammer has launched a month ago. ----------------------------- Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies. Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either. |
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crmznoutlw16
 Novice Member
Joined: 10/12/06
I argue with half my brain tied behind my back, just to make it fair. |
11/11/08 4:56:24 AM#47
Think you mean two months ago... |
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11/11/08 4:57:38 AM#48
That's more of a joke than the original post. What was WARs impact on the MMO gender exactly? Besides influencing features and changes in WoW? |
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11/11/08 4:57:39 AM#49
Originally posted by Frostbite05
hehe theres many ppl who must be nerds then, i can somewhat understand taking 1 day off but a week? ehh thats just crazy i never did it but honestly i had to work when Zelda for the gamecube came out and i just wanted to quit my job and start playing :P was some dumb vacation job anyway ^^ in the end i just worked so hard so i could go home 30 min earlier lol |
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11/11/08 6:01:16 AM#50
not one of the biggest events but ill check it out |
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11/11/08 6:05:12 AM#51
Imo, people expressed their excitement more over tbc then wotlk. Not to say that 11 million players aren't hyped for this xpac, I just think that the first time, the best time. (Not for sex) "The WoW forums are and have always been, the true heartbeat of the game. Having said that... RIP wow. You had a good run." - MAnalog 10/13/10 So WoW is dead? |
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11/11/08 6:16:29 AM#52
I think all of us: WoW, LotrO and EQ2 players can be happy to play great games that all get lots of new content soon! This is a great month for gamers :) Northrend doesnt excite me much anymore so Im going to Moria instead! Have fun wherever you go...
If WoW = The Beatles |
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11/11/08 10:15:50 AM#53
Originally posted by Slampig
WoW is just one game. It cannot be held responsible for the failings of every single aspect of every MMO. It does exactly what it set out to do and it does it better than most other companies can ever dream of.
At some point blame must be put squarely where it is deserved, in other developers hands. They are the ones who have not made compelling alternatives to WoW. If the market was not saturated by so many ailing flat lifeless games things would be different.
Why do many new games sell over a million copies in a few short weeks and then lose the majority of those players in just as short a time? There is your answer right there. |
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11/12/08 8:00:23 AM#54
Originally posted by shad0w99
You know, I find it very odd that if people take their vacation time from work off for a WoW event, or simply just to play online or video games, they "have no life." And yet someone that takes vacation time off to say, oh....read a newly released book by their favorite author, play golf, or go to the casinos on a trip to Vegas or something, or hell....ANY OTHER HOBBY...well, that's just fine. Originally posted by lornj if you base your life around a game, then you have a problem. putting yourself in a financial situation, taking a week off work, is completely dumb. the game will be there, the levels arent going anywhere, xp isnt going to run out. (I could quote about 10 MORE stupid presumptuous comments here too, but they're all about the same.) WTF? I have vacation time at my job. Most people that work somewhere other than, oh I don't know...McDonald's (?) DO. Maybe even McDonald's does, for all I know. Why do you assume people are taking UNPAID time off? I would wager that most people that scheduled time off, aren't putting their finances at risk. LMAO Judgmental people being judgmental....how utterly shocking. /rolls eyes The people telling other people to "get a life" are the ones that need to "get a life" it sounds like to me. One of the most pathetic pastimes I can think of, is to presume you have some right, superior knowledge or obligation to tell OTHER PEOPLE how to live. That seems to be an international problem of EPIC proportions. I think it must make people with very low self-esteem feel better about themselves if they can self-righteously dictate how others should "live." Seriously, it makes those of you doing it sound like complete hypocritical morons. President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club |
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11/12/08 8:10:49 AM#55
Originally posted by laresloci Aren't they the same thing?? |
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silverreign
Advanced Member
Joined: 6/09/08
IT''S AN MMO, NOT A CONSOLE! IT''S NOT MEANT TO BE SOLO''ED! |
11/12/08 8:22:15 AM#56
Originally posted by coffee
word of advice: never take off the day of release to play. thats usually when there is a server crash or some kind of issue. the starting area for deathknight is gonna be insane as well as the bg's. look at yesterdays issue. they are getting ready for wotlk and the servers were down all day and night.
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silverreign
Advanced Member
Joined: 6/09/08
IT''S AN MMO, NOT A CONSOLE! IT''S NOT MEANT TO BE SOLO''ED! |
11/12/08 8:24:53 AM#57
Originally posted by girlgeek
You know, I find it very odd that if people take their vacation time from work off for a WoW event, or simply just to play online or video games, they "have no life." And yet someone that takes vacation time off to say, oh....read a newly released book by their favorite author, play golf, or go to the casinos on a trip to Vegas or something, or hell....ANY OTHER HOBBY...well, that's just fine. Originally posted by lornj if you base your life around a game, then you have a problem. putting yourself in a financial situation, taking a week off work, is completely dumb. the game will be there, the levels arent going anywhere, xp isnt going to run out. (I could quote about 10 MORE stupid presumptuous comments here too, but they're all about the same.) WTF? I have vacation time at my job. Most people that work somewhere other than, oh I don't know...McDonald's (?) DO. Maybe even McDonald's does, for all I know. Why do you assume people are taking UNPAID time off? I would wager that most people that scheduled time off, aren't putting their finances at risk. LMAO Judgmental people being judgmental....how utterly shocking. /rolls eyes The people telling other people to "get a life" are the ones that need to "get a life" it sounds like to me. One of the most pathetic pastimes I can think of, is to presume you have some right, superior knowledge or obligation to tell OTHER PEOPLE how to live. That seems to be an international problem of EPIC proportions. I think it must make people with very low self-esteem feel better about themselves if they can self-righteously dictate how others should "live." Seriously, it makes those of you doing it sound like complete hypocritical morons. tell us how you really feel. seriously. we really want to know.
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silverreign
Advanced Member
Joined: 6/09/08
IT''S AN MMO, NOT A CONSOLE! IT''S NOT MEANT TO BE SOLO''ED! |
11/12/08 8:27:26 AM#58
Originally posted by Daffid011
WoW is just one game. It cannot be held responsible for the failings of every single aspect of every MMO. It does exactly what it set out to do and it does it better than most other companies can ever dream of.
At some point blame must be put squarely where it is deserved, in other developers hands. They are the ones who have not made compelling alternatives to WoW. If the market was not saturated by so many ailing flat lifeless games things would be different.
Why do many new games sell over a million copies in a few short weeks and then lose the majority of those players in just as short a time? There is your answer right there. because they are looking for something else besides wow. most of the 11 mill are bored with wow but find there is nothing else.
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11/12/08 8:30:35 AM#59
Originally posted by silverreign
Yeah, I have kind of a big "mouth," I know, but good gawd. Those judgmental nut jobs just inspire me to unload. Sorry for the wall of baby blue text-crit....did it hit for over 8k? Or should I add some plus crit gems to my keyboard? President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club |
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11/12/08 8:31:24 AM#60
Servers were down for most of the day yesterday, and now the servers are down again! If the server's aren't up soon, I think I'm just going to avoid playing WoW until next week, when hopefully the servers will be a bit more stable after the initial WOTLK zerg. |
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