Originally posted by daelnor

I honestly think its funny..people were complaining about tier 3 and 4 like, a week after the game came out.

If 90% of the population has not reached tier 4..of course you're not going to like it and you're going to be bored.

Maybe you should have stopped and smelled the roses a bit instead of powergaming to the top where there's no one to play with.

I've taken the slower route, when scenarios and pq's get tedious, organize a keep raid or three, knock on some doors and draw the opponents onto the field, it's a blast.

Don't wanna do that? Go find the hidden Lairs with heroic mobs to fight in them..go find Tome unlocks, go find champ mobs that drop bestial tokens to get trophies..go complete an armor set...

Go do an instance in the capital city. In tier 3? go do gunbad dungeon a couple times. There are plenty of things to do. Granted, the game has it's problems, but most of the people I hear quitting either power leveled to rank 40 and got bored because there's not enough people there yet, or they did scenarios until they got bored, then quit. Get out of the scenarios/power grind and go explore the game some.

I'm in tier 3 now, and have even run in tier 4 rvr with my guild just for kicks. We have a blast. We have days where we outnumber the enemy, and days where they outnumber us. All told, the numbers of rank 40's is close on both sides.

Everyone won't enjoy this game, but lots of people quit for the wrong reasons.

 Im lvl 36 been playing for almost 2 Months,  there is a ton of people in T4 now and its  really not fun. Slow chopy combat system that has way to much CC and its pretty much nothing but ranged dps. 

Originally posted by daelnor

I honestly think its funny..people were complaining about tier 3 and 4 like, a week after the game came out.

If 90% of the population has not reached tier 4..of course you're not going to like it and you're going to be bored.

Maybe you should have stopped and smelled the roses a bit instead of powergaming to the top where there's no one to play with.

I've taken the slower route, when scenarios and pq's get tedious, organize a keep raid or three, knock on some doors and draw the opponents onto the field, it's a blast.

Don't wanna do that? Go find the hidden Lairs with heroic mobs to fight in them..go find Tome unlocks, go find champ mobs that drop bestial tokens to get trophies..go complete an armor set...

Go do an instance in the capital city. In tier 3? go do gunbad dungeon a couple times. There are plenty of things to do. Granted, the game has it's problems, but most of the people I hear quitting either power leveled to rank 40 and got bored because there's not enough people there yet, or they did scenarios until they got bored, then quit. Get out of the scenarios/power grind and go explore the game some.

I'm in tier 3 now, and have even run in tier 4 rvr with my guild just for kicks. We have a blast. We have days where we outnumber the enemy, and days where they outnumber us. All told, the numbers of rank 40's is close on both sides.

Everyone won't enjoy this game, but lots of people quit for the wrong reasons.

Couldnt have said it better!

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Thearix

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by augustgrace

I'm also an alt-oholic and am having a great time with WAR.  I think a lot of people are enjoying WAR, it's just not cool to admit to liking an mmo these days. 

 

Not really, it's just not cool to over-hype a crappy game. I mean come on, how many "GREATEST GAME EVA!!1!" threads did we see the first week? The game isn't that good imo, and neither are any of the other mmos coming out "these days"

 

And it's just not cool to dislike a game because others like it - so get it over it Abrahmm. All games have been over-hyped, no doubt, but that does not give you any rights to ditch others who like a game. So how about you just leave it be and play whatever game you like and we'll all play what we like. That leaves all parties happy and not bumping into eachother, cause frankly if you dislike a game I play (and I play lots more than just WAR - I have 5 active MMO subscriptions at any time) I honestly don't care to read about how much you dislike a game every damn day I log on MMORPG.com, much like WoW-fanboi bodypass.

So please - you don't like WAR, so stick to non-WAR forums ok? We don't get in your way and you don't get in our way.

*cheers* 

The point is that such blatant and unfounded fanboyism grates with a lot of people. In the months prior to release there were swathes of 'WAR is going to pwn <insert game here>' and 'WAR is going to be the best MMO ever' posts. The same happened with AoC.

Quite frankly, such blind arrogance is extremely annoying and although I do not condone it, I can understand why people like to flame when said game doesn't meet its expectations and the fanboys are left with egg on their face. If everyone was a little more humble (and perhaps cynical?) then there wouldn't be as many flamewars, I'm sure of it.

Unlike what you may believe though, I never even thought about WAR pwn'ing any other game cause I most likely play that game already as well and wouldn't want that game to die either.

I have never disagreed with people who think that the "WAR will PWN all" shit was annoying. Of course it was - and back then I bitched those people as well - just as I did when people claimed AoC was gonna PWN all. But now the tables have turned and some nutheads feel like it's time to take "revenge" and go "WAR did NOT PWN" posts... and that ticks me off just as much as the other way around.

"My daddy can beat your daddy" syndrome... that's all there is to it.
For the love of god (or whatever you believe in), I just wish everyone would chill down and enjoy their games instead of praying day in and day out that one game or the other will die.

Is it wrong of me to believe in that? Even if I do come out as a "Protector of WAR" - I have just as much defended WoW and AoC, as I have fought it. I always join the side with least idiots.

Originally posted by Pheace

Um, he said success was based on long term subscriptions and cash, wich is an opinion as close to fact as you can get almost and not a bad one really. People can claim a game is the best all they want.. and it *may* even be, for them, but a game's success unfortunately these days also relies on financial succes and that is where WAR will have to prove itself.

 

MMo's live on longterm subscriptions (succesful ones anyway).

 

 

Indeed you're right Pheace - but it's just funny every time there's a chance to pounce on WAR , bodypass is there instantly.
His opinion however that WoW > WAR isn't valid though since it's only his opinion. Subs overall for both companies don't show either what every MMO player in the world likes. Some play WoW, some play WAR, some play both (including myself) and well. While a game company does run on subs for success, WAR does not need 11mill subs to run the next 5 years. Big kudos to Blizzard. They made a great game - far from the best though as there are still millions of players out there spread out on other MMO's meaning that altho WoW does have the highest amount of Subs they don't have every MMO player in the world playing their game.

I want both games to continue running. Heck I even want AoC to keep running. Not because I want WoW to "die" - but because I as a Gamer want a chance for diversion when I feel like playing something else.

Personally my opinion is still that WAR (when polished completely in some months from now) will offer the best PvP so far. WoW's PvP was fun for a while but latest patch made it a wee bit too aggressive and I'd even say a little unbalanced. Blizzard promises it will even out again at 80 though and I'm hoping they're right.
However I'll say that WoW's PvE content overdo almost all other games atm. They have gotten really good at creating PvE raids (the thing about MMO's I love the most). So there WoW shines mostly, but I still love doing random PvE PQ's and what not in WAR when I feel like it.

So as you can see - it's not that hard to find something in both games you like. You gotta take the best of each game there is and use that as a valid argument for why that game should be allowed a chance to prove it's worth. Each game has something special and I think (and hope) they will all do fine in the future.

Well i Cancelled because the game became to Repetitive without any reward. Example when you play a scenerio once you start Pwning almost every match you level up to a new tier to just get hammered in the next set of scenerios till you reach top teir in that. The quests were boring, only thing this game had which was fun to me that didnt matter how repetitive it was, was PQ's. That was by far the best feature and the only feature i liked about this game. Scenerios were cool till around level 15 when you had to keep doing them over and over and over again. And that after awhile just wasnt fun. This game will have a 200k Sub stable subscribers for a year or so then everyone will leave because they will be moving on to bigger and better things. WAR sounded good on paper but after a month or so you figure out your just playing it because well nothing else out there is worth your time.

Still tons of ORVR on our server. 

Destruction tried to cap Praag again today, had their zerg out.  I took our merry warband and captured the southernost objectives.  We then hid out of sight with one scout in front and positioned ourselves in an arc in the surrounding buildings and trees. 

Destruction zerg came immediately charged the few people not hiding only to get owned by the arc of firepower we had hidden.  In return we charged out and the scattered destruction were taken aback as we managed to cream a zerg of destruction players who were scattered and taken aback by our ploy.

It was awesome.  Destruction was demoralised after that and resported to defending their only keep left.  We fought in it for a good 40minutes to an hour but in the end whole of Praag had turned from destruction zerg to our hands.

Originally posted by fuzzylojik

Still tons of ORVR on our server. 

Destruction tried to cap Praag again today, had their zerg out.  I took our merry warband and captured the southernost objectives.  We then hid out of sight with one scout in front and positioned ourselves in an arc in the surrounding buildings and trees. 

Destruction zerg came immediately charged the few people not hiding only to get owned by the arc of firepower we had hidden.  In return we charged out and the scattered destruction were taken aback as we managed to cream a zerg of destruction players who were scattered and taken aback by our ploy.

It was awesome.  Destruction was demoralised after that and resported to defending their only keep left.  We fought in it for a good 40minutes to an hour but in the end whole of Praag had turned from destruction zerg to our hands.

Now thats how you play when you get to them levels your at.

I think people just burnout to get to T4 and are to pooped to pop.

This game requires alot of dedication (at least I think it does) and alot of people forgot what their main purpose of the game was.

Was it to do Open RvR contiously to level 40, was it to do Scenarios to level 40, did they want to play the game for its PvE content to get to level 40 and do raid dungeons or did they just want to explore the world and do RP to make new friends.

Somewhere people just got lost along the way and head back to what they know is more comfortable for them.

I actually get a burnt out by just RvR but I already knew this coming into WAR from my experiences in DAoC. That's one reason why I like having PvE, exploration, and scenarios to fall back onto as I level up in WAR. That is also why I forked out more ££ and have a concurrent WoW suscription. If I get annoyed or fed up in one game, I log out and go to the other. Both games have things that irritate me, both games have things I love. I'm pretty happy right now especially since I have a great guild in both games! Very lucky indeed.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

The point is that such blatant and unfounded fanboyism grates with a lot of people. In the months prior to release there were swathes of 'WAR is going to pwn <insert game here>' and 'WAR is going to be the best MMO ever' posts. The same happened with AoC.

Quite frankly, such blind arrogance is extremely annoying and although I do not condone it, I can understand why people like to flame when said game doesn't meet its expectations and the fanboys are left with egg on their face. If everyone was a little more humble (and perhaps cynical?) then there wouldn't be as many flamewars, I'm sure of it.

While I'm not a fan of blind optimism, I see far to many people in these forums with "expectations" these days.   For many  vet MMO players,  one should have the common sense to judge a game by it's own merits and not to a set of marketed "expectations".   Or wait for several months and sift through the feedback, mainly by talking to friends who are fellow gamers and know your playstyle, to see if it would match up with you.

Frankly to me it boils down to:  is the game fun?   am I getting my monies worth - is there functional content?   Does the game run well?

If I get a yes to those three questions then it is a winner to me.   I do agree with some other people I've seen post here, who state that many of the biggest whiners are those who spend far too many hours playing a game.   I play what I consider to be a lot - 20+ hours a week and more.    I see so many posts bashing this game, and it seems pretty unfair to me - WAR has been night and day to my last game, AoC - both of which were supposed to be "PvP" games.   One clearly has delivered to this point, and one clearly was a failure.   I agree there are a number of things that need work in WAR (Bastion Stair loot table for one, RP Master Runes for another!!!).   Yet they seem to be making progress (Server transfers, upcoming Scenario changes).  Time will tell if WAR lasts, but it is disappointing to see so many mouthy people bashing a very fun, PvP-oriented MMO which is hard to find these days to me.

Warhammer is great game and the majority of players enjoy it, as I can tell when get to play the game.

However, on these forums it seems alot of gamers (and alt accounts) spend more time finding new ways to bitch and less time trying to find ways to enjoy the game. Let them dwell on the ideas they are trying to spread, the truth is a good number of people actually play and enjoy Warhammer.

You speak for the majority of gamers when you get to play the game? You play on all servers? 

oooo, you're talking the same crap as the people you're commenting on :p

Originally posted by APRAurore

I actually get a burnt out by just RvR but I already knew this coming into WAR from my experiences in DAoC. That's one reason why I like having PvE, exploration, and scenarios to fall back onto as I level up in WAR. That is also why I forked out more ££ and have a concurrent WoW suscription. If I get annoyed or fed up in one game, I log out and go to the other. Both games have things that irritate me, both games have things I love. I'm pretty happy right now especially since I have a great guild in both games! Very lucky indeed.

Variety is the spice of life of so they say. I still can't understand why people feel you need to pledge alligence to one game.

  If you've only been playing to level 20 or early 20's then starting again on alts, then I can see why you're still enjoying the game. 1-20 in WAR is fun when the game is new. It will be interesting to see your thoughts once you hit the 30's, especially once the big 1.1 patch goes in. For me personally, I grew disinterested with the game the more I played in the 30's. I'd had enough of scenarios and the crowd control centric PVP that turned out a bit slower than I'd liked. MMO's in the past had to be slow due to technological restraints. That's not an issue any more, the pace can now be upped to real time for MMO's. That's another reason I'm keen to try out DarkFall.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Thearix

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by augustgrace

I'm also an alt-oholic and am having a great time with WAR.  I think a lot of people are enjoying WAR, it's just not cool to admit to liking an mmo these days. 

 

Not really, it's just not cool to over-hype a crappy game. I mean come on, how many "GREATEST GAME EVA!!1!" threads did we see the first week? The game isn't that good imo, and neither are any of the other mmos coming out "these days"

 

And it's just not cool to dislike a game because others like it - so get it over it Abrahmm. All games have been over-hyped, no doubt, but that does not give you any rights to ditch others who like a game. So how about you just leave it be and play whatever game you like and we'll all play what we like. That leaves all parties happy and not bumping into eachother, cause frankly if you dislike a game I play (and I play lots more than just WAR - I have 5 active MMO subscriptions at any time) I honestly don't care to read about how much you dislike a game every damn day I log on MMORPG.com, much like WoW-fanboi bodypass.

So please - you don't like WAR, so stick to non-WAR forums ok? We don't get in your way and you don't get in our way.

*cheers* 

The point is that such blatant and unfounded fanboyism grates with a lot of people. In the months prior to release there were swathes of 'WAR is going to pwn <insert game here>' and 'WAR is going to be the best MMO ever' posts. The same happened with AoC.

Quite frankly, such blind arrogance is extremely annoying and although I do not condone it, I can understand why people like to flame when said game doesn't meet its expectations and the fanboys are left with egg on their face. If everyone was a little more humble (and perhaps cynical?) then there wouldn't be as many flamewars, I'm sure of it.

Unfounded hatred grates with a lot people also.  A lot of people just hate for no reason.  

Personally, this game is 10 times better then WoW.  Its better then 95% of the games out there right now.

Originally posted by Manchine

Originally posted by Zayne3145

The point is that such blatant and unfounded fanboyism grates with a lot of people. In the months prior to release there were swathes of 'WAR is going to pwn <insert game here>' and 'WAR is going to be the best MMO ever' posts. The same happened with AoC.

Quite frankly, such blind arrogance is extremely annoying and although I do not condone it, I can understand why people like to flame when said game doesn't meet its expectations and the fanboys are left with egg on their face. If everyone was a little more humble (and perhaps cynical?) then there wouldn't be as many flamewars, I'm sure of it.

 

Unfounded hatred grates with a lot people also.  A lot of people just hate for no reason.  

Personally, this game is 10 times better then WoW.  Its better then 95% of the games out there right now.

No it is not. It is your opinion, but not a lot of people share your opinion.
 

Or else it wouldn't have 15 times less western players than Wow.

Subscriptions will be about 250K or less if you view the Xfire stats, while Wow will have 5 M western subs post WotLK.

Compared to the number of Wow players, War is a dwarf right now and it is rapidly becoming the size of a Gnome by New Year. Hopefully it will stop losing players after the WotLK launch or else EA could be pulling the plug.

EA doesn't invest in games at 150 K subs.

www.xfire.com

Originally posted by Pheace

You speak for the majority of gamers when you get to play the game? You play on all servers? 

 

 

oooo, you're talking the same crap as the people you're commenting on :p

Well, I have played on Phoenix Throne, Ostermark, Chaos Wastes, Dark Crag, Kislev, and Vortex. On each server I have atleast one character rank 20 of higher, and a level 40 on Phoenix.

I'm not saying I play on every server and talk to every single player, but I have a pretty damn good idea of what goes on within each of those servers.

Originally posted by Pheace

Most of the cancellation remarks seem to be coming from T3+ players to be honest :)

Actually, almost every comment does. WAR is in it current shape most fun for casual players and altoholics, it does need a lot more for hardcore players.

On the other hand there are a lot of casual players out there, even though I do hope Mythic add a lot more content to the game fast, even casual players and altos will get stuck in 40 sooner or later and will need a lot more options then.

It is a good game but a bit thin on the content to say the least. To be a great game it will need at least one expansion.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Pheace

Most of the cancellation remarks seem to be coming from T3+ players to be honest :)

 

Actually, almost every comment does. WAR is in it current shape most fun for casual players and altoholics, it does need a lot more for hardcore players.

On the other hand there are a lot of casual players out there, even though I do hope Mythic add a lot more content to the game fast, even casual players and altos will get stuck in 40 sooner or later and will need a lot more options then.

It is a good game but a bit thin on the content to say the least. To be a great game it will need at least one expansion.

Well with EA they will have LOTS of expansions:

War goes on vacation, War goes Ikea, War goes to the disco, War goes capitols...

Unless they don't stop the subs losses, then it will be War goes ... unplugged.

So let me get this right.  Xfire is the end all be all of online gaming, I don't use it so it doesn't track me being online on either COH or WAR when I play.  Granted WOW is the king of MMO's but I have really been enjoying WAR.  Very fun PVP no one complains when they aren't winning and you get XP and other bonuses for PVP, I thought that would be a draw to other people, in COH I hate pvp.  I have to agree that the Quests are a little dissapointing but the rest more then makes up for it.  I played WOW for about 6 months and that really wanted to make me vomit compared to either COH or WAR.   Just my two cents.

The fact the game slows down at T3 is one reason why I have been taking my time in T1 and T2. It hasn't been hard seeing as the first couple of servers I rolled on have lost most of their population making me reroll for the third time on one of the highest population EU English servers. I am not really looking forward to T3 unless my server has decent oRvR at that level (I haven't checked). Anyway, I think that if T3 has problems and a lot of players give Mythic feedback, they will do something about it. It's not rabid fanboism on my part, it's just from observing how responsive Mythic has been about things, even if they do take babysteps to do it.