Originally posted by Elsabolts

Yes they are looking at making the game more newbie Friendly and im sure this will piss off the gankers. Soon the skill training will be changed to the lower end folks being able to train more then one skill up to my guess will be 5 training at once till your have caught up to current levels of long time players. This will not make the hard core very happy but time marches on.

They made it faster for new players to train ages ago. I can't see them increasing the speed again because it's almost the only progression in the game besides acquiring things. They're just trying to lower the learning curve to attract more new players not change the core of the game. Having more newbies won't piss off the gankers, quite the opposite.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Yes they are looking at making the game more newbie Friendly and im sure this will piss off the gankers. Soon the skill training will be changed to the lower end folks being able to train more then one skill up to my guess will be 5 training at once till your have caught up to current levels of long time players. This will not make the hard core very happy but time marches on.

My brain.. it hurts...

Back on subject though.  What I think you're referring to is an idea that's been mentioned several times by CCP where you can train more than one skill at a time, though each skill would train more slowly so when all is said and done you got the same amount of SPs, just split across more than one skill, the idea being you could set a long and a short skill, and when the short one is done all the SPs go back on the long one, that way you don' t have to get up at 2 AM to switch skill. 

But even if it was out and out faster training, why exactly would that piss off the vets?  Vets already know if you give a noob 20 million SPs and a hundred million ISK, they're still a noob and there's at least one thread on the official forums every week from someone crying that they purchased a high-SP character, fitted out some ridiculously expensive battleship, and got blown up 10 minutes later by a well-flown cruiser or even a gang of frigs.  The common MMO mindset of high level + epic loots  = powerful player simply doesn't apply in Eve, it's all about player know-how and working in a group.  Else how would the goons have taken over so much space using nothing but low-skill ships (at least when they started).

I think it comes down to difficulty.  Eve is Nintendo Hard in an age when mainstream MMOs have gone soft, and is quite proud of it.  Yes, you can be anything you want within the context the game.  No, the game will not hand it to you, tell you how to go about it, cushion the landing when you screw up, speed things along because you feel you're not going fast enough, or anything else like that.  It gives accomplishments in Eve, when you finally reach them, a sense of being a lot more 'real' than in other games.  But you're competing against lots of other people in a system that's designed to give the upper hand to whoever have more player smarts and nothing on your character sheet will reflect that.  It takes a different mindset than you find in any other game I've tried, probably the reason why Eve fans are so rabid and everyone else thinks we're lunatic fanboys.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Yes they are looking at making the game more newbie Friendly and im sure this will piss off the gankers. Soon the skill training will be changed to the lower end folks being able to train more then one skill up to my guess will be 5 training at once till your have caught up to current levels of long time players. This will not make the hard core very happy but time marches on.

Funny thing about EVE,  almost every player, from the lowest pirate to the leader of the largest alliance would agree that having new players enter the game is a good thing.  So no one is going to be pissed off if they make learning how to play the game a bit easier for new players.

They'll never implement your vision of multiple skill trains.  They saw what NGE did to SWG and have learned not to make sudden, or drastic moves with the gameplay or design just for the "hope" of attracting the casual gamer.

Sure, they want subs to grow, but not at the expense of the core player base.

I skipped the biggest part of this thread, because.. well.. I saw this topic alot of time.

The last time I readed one, was 2 months ago. That one pulled me over the fence (with some other stuff ofcourse) and I started playing EvE.

At this time, I am able to win pvp fights with my 2 month old character. And not some lame other newb, but even old players. If you look at EvEmon (if you don't have it as a noob, what the heck?) you will see that training full high end pvp, with all the supporting skills, takes around a 268 days. Sure this is also alot, but that is normal in a MMO.

EvE skill are in a wide spectrum. If you focus on something, you will be good in no time. If I have to make a quick guess, within 80 or 90 days training, you are able to compete with the really old pvpers. Why? Mainly because there is not for 4 years skills in 1 ship. Sure, they might be able to fly more then 1 ship, thats their advantage. But after 80 or 90 days, you will be just as good as anyone, in a T1 ship. T2 takes longer ofcourse, but thats why it was implented.

Also, this might be important... You will never - ever - ever be the solowtfpwnage machine as in some other game.  Some people exploit stuff, get to strong and get nerfed back. Nano-ships where a example. That where people that fitted their ships so, that they where so quick, that you couldn't hit them.

Then CCP is fixing it, they are calling it lame. Ugh.

Ok nuff stupid new server threads, install trial check out the game, see why a new serv would be a bad idea.

If you still think you need a new serv, make another useless psot in these forums, get flamed once more.

Mkay?

OP ignore the ppl calling you a troll or whatever, cause the Eve and the mmorpg community just like to disagree with everyone. It's a good idea and it wouldn't hurt the verterans but they just like to cry about something so you'll get flamed. Also ghost training was fine the only reason ppl say it was stupid is to start a fight, just ignore them. Lotr online is a community I love to group with and rp with but Eve commmunity...well lets just say they're a bunch of wiki/google wannabe profesors but irl they aren't too bright, thats why I play single Player Eve (everyone on ignore, chat window closed). Eve is a great game but the community really drags it down.  Maybe they can make a single player Eve online, I would definitely play that. If you plan on flaming me I won't read ur post so ur wasting ur time. Eve community is junk endthread/

LOTR online community is here ----------------------->

Eve online community is somewhere down here --->

Originally posted by Cyborg99

OP ignore the ppl calling you a troll or whatever, cause the Eve and the mmorpg community just like to disagree with everyone. It's a good idea and it wouldn't hurt the verterans but they just like to cry about something so you'll get flamed. Also ghost training was fine the only reason ppl say it was stupid is to start a fight, just ignore them. Lotr online is a community I love to group with and rp with but Eve commmunity...well lets just say they're a bunch of wiki/google wannabe profesors but irl they aren't too bright, thats why I play single Player Eve (everyone on ignore, chat window closed). Eve is a great game but the community really drags it down.  Maybe they can make a single player Eve online, I would definitely play that. If you plan on flaming me I won't read ur post so ur wasting ur time. Eve community is junk endthread/

LOTR online community is here ----------------------->

 

 

 

 

Eve online community is somewhere down here --->

What time do you get on to Play EvE? Because I have had no issues with the community...for the most part.

all the  Vet. people/ISD in the rookies channel address questions helpfully, and even treat the most NEW'B questions accordingly non biast.

eve is lame

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Originally posted by Thatim
Some people exploit stuff, get to strong and get nerfed back. Nano-ships where a example. That where people that fitted their ships so, that they where so quick, that you couldn't hit them.
 
Then CCP is fixing it, they are calling it lame.

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Nanoships are not overpowered nor an exploit of the game mechanics. They are roaming ships with their pros and cons like any other ship setup.

Read up develoment forums to get an idea how and why are fast ships used.

Originally posted by cjhrules

I've also been thinking of trying this game, but from what I understand it's hard to catch up. It seems only logic to start a fresh server now when they market eve as much as they do, on gamespot etc.

good news: you're wrong. catching up is trivial. i started a new industrial alt about 4 or 5 months ago, industrial alt now produces money hand over fist, i could do the same thing today, and so can you.

hell, im thinking about getting a third account and training up amarrian ships.

Got a 4th recently, that char now has 5 mil SP and is doing quite well in PVP.

Personally,

I did not read the 4+pages from my last post! This game need's to start again(REVAMP) or a new server. Everything has been changed from graphics to skill training! Thus game is going to introduce avatar's/toon's, I think we need to wake up the vet's or let them die like SWG!

Originally posted by ganbee

Personally,

I did not read the 4+pages from my last post! This game need's to start again(REVAMP) or a new server. Everything has been changed from graphics to skill training! Thus game is going to introduce avatar's/toon's, I think we need to wake up the vet's or let them die like SWG!

Um it was SWG that did the dying....

Originally posted by ganbee

Personally,

I did not read the 4+pages from my last post! This game need's to start again(REVAMP) or a new server. Everything has been changed from graphics to skill training! Thus game is going to introduce avatar's/toon's, I think we need to wake up the vet's or let them die like SWG!

I'm feeling generous so I will summarize what you missed:

If you start a new server, it will be largely the same groups who end up controlling all of 0.0 in relatively short order since the power groups hold in this game is almost completely independant of their cumulative SPs.  They already know how to make a huge alliance work smoothly.  They already know where the 'good' systems and moons are.  They already know how the whole political game works.  If anything this server would attract tons of vets like me who would take it as a big land grab opportunity - roll a new char, grab every swinging dick you can recruit ('I'm a vet!  I know what I'm doing!  Really!'), and spam POS's until everyone's broke or there's no more systems to claim.  After all, it'll be months before anyone can actually take 'em down, by then we'd be rolling in dough because I would have made sure we grabbed good ratting systems and good moons.

And on the flip side if you want to get into this game on the current server all you have to do, really, is try and be willing to learn.  Most 0.0 corps do have an SP minimum but it's generally pretty light (5 mil is common), mostly not because they really care if you have 5 mil SPs or not, they're more looking to recruit people who at least have some idea of how the game works.

"Not being able to catch up"

This statement is incorrect and misleading.

Ofc you can catch up, read about the skill system in EVE and you will see what i mean.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

It seems a lot of people who might like to try this game are put off by the fact that it would be very difficult or near impossible to catch up to existing players in EVE.  I'm wondering if the devs have ever considered opening up a fresh start server where everyone would start off on equal ground, especially now that so many fixes and updates have been introduced since launch.

As far as I know, Eve has only 1 server cose they want the game to be that way. Only one server, only one "Universe". So you will never have this second server.

In my honest opinion, try the game, if you like it, just play, dont bother about a fresh start or cacht up other players, this 2 ideas will only make you have less fun or not even try a game you may like.

Even tho I am not playing EvE online atm, I still want to tell you that making a fresh server is a very bad idea. It goes against the whole concept of a single sharded server.

I also endured the hardships of a new player starting a few years after release, and even tho I have quit EvE atm, I still accomplished some things and can see that learning skills is not all there is, if you learn about EvE and the world and all the specs and ins and outs, then you also have an advantage.

One of the great things about EvE is that there is only 1 server for the whole World ( except China, which sucks already ). So if you play EvE you play with everyone else on the same server.

This is a big part of what makes EvE to what it is, mess with that and you mess with the core of EvE.

So no, it is not a good idea, and I suggest you  to really try out EvE Online before comming back here and spouting these not well thought out ideas.

Greetz

Originally posted by ganbee

Personally,

I did not read the 4+pages from my last post! This game need's to start again(REVAMP) or a new server. Everything has been changed from graphics to skill training! Thus game is going to introduce avatar's/toon's, I think we need to wake up the vet's or let them die like SWG!

Umm, it is really hard for me to not call you a n00b now.

It is because SOE messed with SWG that SWG died.

If CCP will start messing with EvE by adding more servers, they will end up the same way as SOE with SWG.

And newsflash, EvE Online is a VERY healthy game, probably the healthiest mmorpg now and ever. ( In terms of population growth and retainment ). This is a game that will survive WoW ( if WoW ever dies ).

So please get your facts straight.

CCP will do what ever is needed to keep EvE healthy and subscriptions coming in as with any busniess they will have to adapt to some change if starting a new server looks like could work with there vision of the future you will see a new server.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

CCP will do what ever is needed to keep EvE healthy and subscriptions coming in as with any busniess they will have to adapt to some change if starting a new server looks like could work with there vision of the future you will see a new server.

Luckely for CCP and the EvE players their vision of the future is not adding new servers.