I think P2P and F2P are two different categories therefore, you can't compare the rating among them. In my opinions, even the best F2P only has 5 point maximum then from 5 down below to 4, 3, 2, 1.

In player's rating, I am rating all F2P Not Worthy to play, the entertainment purpose are as poor as the game.

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Hashbrick

Just instead of 4-6 you get all 8s >.> whoopie

 

Not actually true.  Assume you had these scores:

3.5
4.0
4.5
5.5
6.0
6.5

After the curve you would have:

4.41
5.04
5.67
6.93
7.56
8.25

Sure if 10 games were all 6.5 before they will all be 8.25 now, but when you look at all 100+ games in development you see a big spreading taking place.

Let's face it - anger outweighs joy when it comes to this community.  Using a positive-only curve helps bring these scores back into reality.  Setting hype aside, if we did not have the curve on the released games no game would have a score higher than about 6.2 - which I don't think that is very accurate that no MMORPG has earned better than a "C" grade.

 

Thats because most of the online games are software poop and that can get any man or boy a tad bit angry.

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Hashbrick

Just instead of 4-6 you get all 8s >.> whoopie

 

Not actually true.  Assume you had these scores:

3.5
4.0
4.5
5.5
6.0
6.5

After the curve you would have:

4.41
5.04
5.67
6.93
7.56
8.25

Sure if 10 games were all 6.5 before they will all be 8.25 now, but when you look at all 100+ games in development you see a big spreading taking place.

Let's face it - anger outweighs joy when it comes to this community.  Using a positive-only curve helps bring these scores back into reality.  Setting hype aside, if we did not have the curve on the released games no game would have a score higher than about 6.2 - which I don't think that is very accurate that no MMORPG has earned better than a "C" grade.

 

This is what bothers me... YOU don't think it's accurate so YOU decided to alter it to make it more "fun"... if not inaccurate as far as your communities opinion on the game's rating. Perhaps there are no MMORPGs that deserve above a "C" grade at this point in time? I know I'm not playing any of them regularly due to the mediocrity and average/ sameness in the genre. This inspires me to change all my ratings to 1...

Originally posted by Theutus

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Hashbrick

Just instead of 4-6 you get all 8s >.> whoopie

 

Not actually true.  Assume you had these scores:

3.5
4.0
4.5
5.5
6.0
6.5

After the curve you would have:

4.41
5.04
5.67
6.93
7.56
8.25

Sure if 10 games were all 6.5 before they will all be 8.25 now, but when you look at all 100+ games in development you see a big spreading taking place.

Let's face it - anger outweighs joy when it comes to this community.  Using a positive-only curve helps bring these scores back into reality.  Setting hype aside, if we did not have the curve on the released games no game would have a score higher than about 6.2 - which I don't think that is very accurate that no MMORPG has earned better than a "C" grade.

 

 

This is what bothers me... YOU don't think it's accurate so YOU decided to alter it to make it more "fun"... if not inaccurate as far as your communities opinion on the game's rating. Perhaps there are no MMORPGs that deserve above a "C" grade at this point in time? I know I'm not playing any of them regularly due to the mediocrity and average/ sameness in the genre. This inspires me to change all my ratings to 1...

Keep in mind that the curve happens in real time - so we have not permanently changed any of the actual scoring.  The moment a game earns a real "10" score the curve dies.  Even if a game naturally has a 9 the curve does almost nothing to any of the games.  What it does do is better scale all the games against whatever game is current the higher score.  I don't expect everyone to like it - but WAY back when we started this on the game rankings in 2002 the community helped us come up with the idea and the majority of them liked it.

Did anyone else notice that while the numbers may be SLIGHTLY different, there is no change in the actual ratings? This didn't change the top 5, or the fact that one MMO is higher than the other.

Its not the numbers that matter, it can be a 6.5 or a 6.7 for all I care, its still the same game, and the rating is still in the same EXACT place when compared with its standings before the curve.

This is a visual change only, not a fundemental one.

So the rating is spread out more visually, it hasn't changed a single thing. Sorry, the MMO you hate the most

Originally posted by AlloughN

Did anyone else notice that while the numbers may be SLIGHTLY different, there is no change in the actual ratings? This didn't change the top 5, or the fact that one MMO is higher than the other.

Its not the numbers that matter, it can be a 6.5 or a 6.7 for all I care, its still the same game, and the rating is still in the same EXACT place when compared with its standings before the curve.

This is a visual change only, not a fundemental one.

So the rating is spread out more visually, it hasn't changed a single thing. Sorry, the MMO you hate the most

 

EXACTLY   The order of the games is the same before and after.  The curve just stretches the list like an accordian, with the games at the top getting pulled more than the games at the bottom.  It is just to create better scale...nothing more.

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by AlloughN

Did anyone else notice that while the numbers may be SLIGHTLY different, there is no change in the actual ratings? This didn't change the top 5, or the fact that one MMO is higher than the other.

Its not the numbers that matter, it can be a 6.5 or a 6.7 for all I care, its still the same game, and the rating is still in the same EXACT place when compared with its standings before the curve.

This is a visual change only, not a fundemental one.

So the rating is spread out more visually, it hasn't changed a single thing. Sorry, the MMO you hate the most

 

 

EXACTLY   The order of the games is the same before and after.  The curve just stretches the list like an accordian, with the games at the top getting pulled more than the games at the bottom.  It is just to create better scale...nothing more.

think of it as a bell curve, the games most deserving of a high score are usually the top 95% (most love/least hate) while the least deserving games usually receive the most hate/least love from reviewers. This is a very practicle, and logistical true way of grading products. The bell, or algorithmic curve takes into account anomolies/error range (to a certain degree) in a proportional view rather than hard lined numbers. Mediocre games (those say ranging in the 50% area) would of course have the highest value on the bell curve, because it is a mixed bag of reviews and theres alot more average games than exceptional or horrendous games. So rather than using the end values of the bell curve to (for example) equal 0 and 6, they now equal 0-10, while keeping all values proportional and keeping the actual ratings exactly where they were, just spread out more to emphasize the difference.

Nothing more.

Oh and to those who say the ratings mean nothing, remember, these are basically a survey poll of what you think of a game/upcoming game based on people who vote on this website. So yes, the site is very factual since the actual formulas or calculations are not skewed, but rather understand, human nature is skewing the results (aka forum goers).

it's a hype list. that's all.

What's atlantica online ? It's not even on the released games lists here ;).

I'd say take this list with a huge grain of salt !

So let's hope the statistical misunderstandings are sorted out, the curve is just a matter of presenting statistical results in a more illustrating and meaningful way with results more in line with scores given in any review on any MMO site. The most known example being the percent. The candidate got 345.931 votes tells you what? The candidate got 52% of the vote tells you he won. Rating is an expression of opinion just like voting just more nuanced, if not the rating would had to have just to alternatives 0 or 1.

Objectivity or facts as it is often called is a fun thing. Besides maths and science(physics, chemistry and biology), all other statements made by man is an expression of opinion more or less informed. But when we present something as a fact it will be influenced by how we present it, our choice of words, what we emphasize and omits, and we choose to turn the phrases. There will always be a certain amount of subjectivity, the facts presented will be influenced by the interest the messenger has in them. 

I honestly do not see the problem with haters and fanbois  abusing the ranking system. The accumulate result which result from their activities will outnumber eachother. If there are more haters than fanbois then all there ZEROs will lower the TENs of the fanbois and vice versa. Then you have the more considerate reviewer who chooses from a greater variety of grades than just the top or bottom. In all this give a fairly accurate impression of what the community thinks about the game for the moment, be it a P2P of F2P. In general P2P games are higher rated, but if a game like Atlantica beats almost all the P2P at the moment, that's the opinion of the community, notwithstanding some players who do not even consider F2P games.(I do not play Atlantica myself anymore.)

Let's see how hard WAR beats the other games for the Game of the Year title. It would be an indication of how accurate an impression the rating scheme gives. For now it's really on the top alone in the rankings.(I've never played it.) 

The rating section is just a game, not an accurate reflection of anything. People just play the game, and try to raise their favorite MMORPGs, or lower the ones they don't like.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

The rating section is just a game, not an accurate reflection of anything. People just play the game, and try to raise their favorite MMORPGs, or lower the ones they don't like.

 

That applies only to a part of the community, small or large, some give it a more considerate thought, just view the comments under the rating sections and also look at the different scores for the different aspects of the game making up the final rating.

The fun thing about the game you are refering to is that produced a relevant result since the ratings given by haters and fanbois will be exactly opposite, and the result the game they play in the rankings produces a positive result if the number of  fanbois outnumber those of haters and a more negative result if it is the other way around. In all this hater - fanboi community makes up one big considerate reviewer as an aggrigated entity. So it is meaningful to watch this result as the opinion of the MMO community as a whole.

There needs to be a f2p and p2p division, cause the mixture of the 2 distorts the over value of p2p games. There not been one f2p game that deserves to be in the same list as a p2p title imho. There are great f2p games, but none of them have depth of p2p titles.