I'm telling, if they implemented an /xp off option the majoriy of PvP would be against people who should have leveled out of the tier. And would scare away the level <8 players which is not mythics idea.

You can go into the next area and get the gear for t2.  It's not that much better than what you might have, but around t2 (level 10/11 req) the gear is blue.  Also, sadly, mythic has the higher level critter drops lower level gear, instead of even con gear (level 11 monster dropping level 11 loot, currently, it's level 11 monster drops level 7 loot.  Level 14 monsther drops level 10/11 loot)

So, as much as you ask for an /xp off feature for the sole purpose of PvP.. you are effectivly the driving force that would cause a lot people to leave this game.  So, if you want to "TWINK" your character to be max level for the lower level tiers.. There is a game for you..

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

Originally posted by Pangaea 

he was basically saying that you wanted to be a twink..and that is exactly what it sounds like.

just as a question.. what LEVEL would you want to stop at? 12 13? or 22-23?   ohh thats right prolly 11 or 21 :)

You can STILL help out newbies in guilds as long as it isnt' in RVR.. you can go down into lower Tiers and help them with PQs and help them with Quests without being a chicken so whats your point?

And you pay 15 bucks to a game to play it the way it was designed.. so jut because you pay 15 bucks doens't mean you can exploit the mechanics to play the way YOU want when it wasn't inteded for that.

Yes, when I played DAoC, I tended to turn off xp when I am about to level out of an area.  That happens to be at maximum level for that area.  In the case of WAR, that would be at lvl 11, 21, and so on.  I see no problem with this whatsoever.  And I certainly don't see this as a "Gotcha! You newbie killer scumbug!" moment.  I guess I understand that sometimes you might want to hang with friends a bit longer than allowed and play along with them.  Sorry you can't understand this notion.

Anyway, it worked for one game, it could easily work for WAR.  Of course, from the sound of it, you hurriedly leave Tier 1 and go into PvE when you hit level 11 so as not to carry an advantage over anyone else.  How admirable of you.  I, on the other hand, realize that level and equipment is mostly meaningless and have often killed those of higher level and better eq.  And, the usual situation is a large number of players running together where one or two higher level players doesn't mean much in the zerg against zerg of tier 1 and 2.  Maybe you don't participate, and therefore, lack knowledge in this category.    

As to exploiting the mechanics? How dastardly of me.  Asking for a new mechanic is exploiting a mechanic in... hmm... what way? As of right now I cannot do such a thing, and if I found a way, THEN it would be exploiting.  Oh, but perhaps just WRITING about an xp toggle is exploiting.  Oh my.  XP Off was later added to DAoC, I suppose anyone using it would be exploiting the mechanics of the game and how it was originally intended to be played -- we should have a talk with those players.

As to PQs and Quests, and things I did not mention as a way in which I intended to help lowbies, the point of an XP toggle is to assist in RvR, not PvE.  But thanks for offering up your off-topic opinion.

Seriously, when did good rhetoric go out the window?

- LC

They tried to AVoid Twinks in the game. the exploit was in reference to you wanting to be able to twink. even though you don't see it that way.. if I had a level 11 and got every piece of level 11 PQ blue geer.. I woudl be a twink.. and destroy people. Sure you can beat certain classes aroudnyoru level.. its not about that. its group tactics mostly.. but when you are backed up by a group of other max level blue geared people anyone who is not max level blue geared will most likely lose.. and that is the imbalance they are tryign to avoid. I am glad you wish this was different.. so you can take advantage of that.

Wow has twinks that are unkillable unless by another twink.. the farther this game gets from that.. the better.

:)

enjoy War.

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

Originally posted by madstoog

 Xp toggle is stupid, play the game and get to the end game.

This feature would just result in people sticking to the highest level for the tiers, 11, 21 and 31 and killing any newbies in seconds that come along because they will be able to max out their gear.

Why play the game if u dont want to advance?

get to level 40 and play, trust me lvl 40 will be far more entertaining than level 11... unless your one of those people who enjoy ease mode.

Cool, I was hoping to find someone who would pay my $15/month.  Oh wait, you're not going to? Then don't tell me how to enjoy the game. 

I've enjoyed every level so far, and sometimes my friends are left behind due to less playtime or less fortune in playing.  I would like to shut off xp and stick around with them.  Or, as mentioned, help out a lowbie new to the guild.  Or, just stick around and continue enjoying Sea of Claws, or Troll Country, or High Pass, or wherever I happen to be.    Point being, why rush to end game? I see zero point if you're enjoying yourself. 

I've given valid reasons for an xp toggle, you've given your opinion of my character -- apparently I'm an unskilled newb killer with uber equipment (There is so little difference in equipment at lower levels that we know this can't be true).

I'm going to give you a piece of advice:  Don't believe everything you think.  And definitely feel free to not share it.  

- LC   

First paragraph you said is just dumb reply.

Its not a rush to end game it's called gaining experience as you fight with your character.

I stay with my point people can disagree but xp toggle will never happen so moan all you want.

p.s. about your friends, tell me, why the fuck did u roll on an open RvR, you sit here and complain about helping low level guildies.. i help low level guildies on my CORE sever, but not in open RvR because thats unfair and i obviously get chicken debuff as im level 29.

Pointless post, havnt even got your facts straight really.

Flame me fuck it i don't care, you idea is shit and your post is pointless.

Originally posted by Hazmal

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

Originally posted by madstoog

 Xp toggle is stupid, play the game and get to the end game.

This feature would just result in people sticking to the highest level for the tiers, 11, 21 and 31 and killing any newbies in seconds that come along because they will be able to max out their gear.

Why play the game if u dont want to advance?

get to level 40 and play, trust me lvl 40 will be far more entertaining than level 11... unless your one of those people who enjoy ease mode.

Cool, I was hoping to find someone who would pay my $15/month.  Oh wait, you're not going to? Then don't tell me how to enjoy the game. 

I've enjoyed every level so far, and sometimes my friends are left behind due to less playtime or less fortune in playing.  I would like to shut off xp and stick around with them.  Or, as mentioned, help out a lowbie new to the guild.  Or, just stick around and continue enjoying Sea of Claws, or Troll Country, or High Pass, or wherever I happen to be.    Point being, why rush to end game? I see zero point if you're enjoying yourself. 

I've given valid reasons for an xp toggle, you've given your opinion of my character -- apparently I'm an unskilled newb killer with uber equipment (There is so little difference in equipment at lower levels that we know this can't be true).

I'm going to give you a piece of advice:  Don't believe everything you think.  And definitely feel free to not share it.  

- LC   

 

There's a game where you can stay at the max level for your tier.. it's call World of Warcraft.

Adding a /xp off is a waste of the devs time.  especailly because, as stated int he paster, the point of this game is ENDGAME.. not twinking your character.  This isn't a PvE game. You don't need to experience all of the PvE with one character, you have 10 slots.  10.  I'm tired of seeing 7+ max level characters for scenarios as is.  So is mythic, hence the PvP XP.    So.. here's how to play your game.. GO PLAY WoW.. there you can max out your bracket and kill all the lowbies you want.  I equate you to skum.  Peace.

 

Glad to see the community is going full kid nerd rage on people already.  "OMG he wants to stay in a tier because he is level cap!?!?!?!?  SCUM, TWINK, NOOB"

Chase them all back to WOW or whatever you think they should be playing.  Then when the game is deserted, you can play with yourself; probably not such a new concept to some of you.

We have a computer comedian... seem to live on this forum, funny fucker who uses sarcastic wording to make himself sound big through writting.. pathetic.

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Twink prevention, nothing more and nothing less.

Rank 11 player with a renown rank of 80, thats a great fucking idea.....

You can't have a Realm Rank higher than your Battle Rank until you hit BR 40.

Players could twink with Talismans, (higher stat, expensive talismans are starting to be produced for the AH now on my server).

That's why I'd rather see a Realm Tactic that allows you to tone down your XP by say 20%. Too much XP in scenarios makes it hard for people who want to balance PvE with PvP to do so while keeping their RR close to their BR.

I agree.../xp off should be put in the game. I have many times out leveled friends and guildies and could no longer play the same scenarios with them.

Also it would be good for taking lower tiers. If you need to take tier 1 for something how are you going to do it if you're in tier 4 and there are very few if any new plaers to battle in those tiers.

They just need to put in a mentor system like EQ2 but with better scailing.

In open RVR rather than make people chickens, just give them a bolster like skill that prevents them from using abilities above a level, and drops thier stats, health and power.

Originally posted by madstoog                                                                                                                               First paragraph you said is just dumb reply.

Its not a rush to end game it's called gaining experience as you fight with your character.

I stay with my point people can disagree but xp toggle will never happen so moan all you want.

p.s. about your friends, tell me, why the fuck did u roll on an open RvR, you sit here and complain about helping low level guildies.. i help low level guildies on my CORE sever, but not in open RvR because thats unfair and i obviously get chicken debuff as im level 29.

Pointless post, havnt even got your facts straight really.

Flame me fuck it i don't care, you idea is shit and your post is pointless.

Actually, that first paragraph was pure genius.  Let me break it down for you:  You don't get to tell me how to play.  I decide how I play.   Get it now?  

XP Toggle happened on DAoC, it could happen for WAR, but it will probably be a year or more before they allow for it.  I understand why they would wait.  Let things shake down, get characters spread out so war is everywhere... just like the tag line.  I'm okay with that.  I just want it now, rather than later because it deals with my play style and how my friends play (slowly).

When speaking of oRvR, people aren't talking about server type.  They are referring to RvR lakes, which distinguishes them from scenarios.  That is oRvR.  I play on a CORE server.  Magnus.  The terminology isn't set in stone as of yet because the game is fairly new.  No big deal.

To everyone else in this thread with healthy criticism, I appreciate it.  To those who agree, I say send the idea in while you're logged in.  Let's get them thinking about it.  

Later all,

   - LC 

This was brought up during beta and shot down many times. Key reason was, anti-twinking sentiments. It was left out specifically to stop twinks. My recommendation to anyone that wants this is you will need to accomplish two things in your feedback to Mythic:

1) Make a convincing argument of why you arent looking to twink

2) Include in your suggestion designs that will allow you to do what you want but not allow twinking abuse to occur under any circumstances.

For example "/xp off only usuable when you are at the bottom or middle of the tier and not the top". That way people can keep playing with their friends, without abusing the twink power advantage that comes with top of the tier equipment and rewards.

There is nothing new about the /xp off suggestion, it has been hashed and rehashed a million times. To think that this will 'get them thinking about it' as if they havent already done so is rather shortsighted but I'm not going to tell you how to spend your time. Take the advice or leave it.

One good reason to block XP is that the T1 and T2 scenarios and RvR lakes are better than T4 in some people's opinion. I feel sorry for players who think the only fun in the game is to be had at endgame.

if there was a way to turn your XP off, you would get lots of rank 11/21/31 players in RvR that would kill everyone else, especially on ORvR servers where you do not get a bolster buff in RvR lakes

There have been two main reasons for having an XP OFF feature:

- Don't want to pass PvE content
- Get Reknown rank closer to regular rank
 

So why not just disable XP OFF for anyone, if he is PvP flagged and has a Reknown rank "close enough" (still to be defined)  to his regular rank ?

That would allow him to both catch up in Reknown Rank and enjoy PvE without having to look at his experience bar. But noone could stay forever at rank 11/21/31 in PvP.

He said he wanted /xp off feature SOLEY for RvR.  So.. Umm.. yeah.

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

I'm tired of not having the ability to turn experience off.  Sometimes I just want to stay in a tier (usually 1, recently 2) and just have fun.  I'm not in a huge rush to max out my character's levels, and I'm finding that I'm gaining experience too fast in massive oRvR combat.  I wouldn't mind leaving a character or two in Tier 1 and 2 to play along with friends and assist lowbies new to the guild.  I realize that Mythic wants us to fill up the upper Tier areas with action, but I've got characters heading that way -- I don't need all of them in Tier 4, only one or two.  I hope that some day Mythic will give us this option. 

A secondary reason for this option would be to catch up my Renown Rank on those few occasions when I PvE and my level gets a bit ahead.  Would be nice to gain Renown without worry of moving out of a tier that I'm enjoying.  

Mythic, you did this for DAoC, where is the love?

My Two Cents,

- LC

How about installing this option to cut off  XP, and, umm......., have the player remain a permanent level 8.

It seems it would be more than fair considering you can still use your training abilities up to 11, or the lower standard of other tiers he would be in.

Originally posted by fiontar

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Twink prevention, nothing more and nothing less.

Rank 11 player with a renown rank of 80, thats a great fucking idea.....

 

You can't have a Realm Rank higher than your Battle Rank until you hit BR 40.

Well well, you learn something new every day.

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

Originally posted by madstoog

 Xp toggle is stupid, play the game and get to the end game.

This feature would just result in people sticking to the highest level for the tiers, 11, 21 and 31 and killing any newbies in seconds that come along because they will be able to max out their gear.

Why play the game if u dont want to advance?

get to level 40 and play, trust me lvl 40 will be far more entertaining than level 11... unless your one of those people who enjoy ease mode.

Cool, I was hoping to find someone who would pay my $15/month.  Oh wait, you're not going to? Then don't tell me how to enjoy the game. 

I've enjoyed every level so far, and sometimes my friends are left behind due to less playtime or less fortune in playing.  I would like to shut off xp and stick around with them.  Or, as mentioned, help out a lowbie new to the guild.  Or, just stick around and continue enjoying Sea of Claws, or Troll Country, or High Pass, or wherever I happen to be.    Point being, why rush to end game? I see zero point if you're enjoying yourself. 

I've given valid reasons for an xp toggle, you've given your opinion of my character -- apparently I'm an unskilled newb killer with uber equipment (There is so little difference in equipment at lower levels that we know this can't be true).

I'm going to give you a piece of advice:  Don't believe everything you think.  And definitely feel free to not share it.  

- LC   

I don't really agree with everything that the poster you responded to was saying, but the statement I underlined may prove to be a valid point. It could be problematic making an /xp toggle.

And second, you do not make the majority. I'm not saying that your idea of how to play the game is wrong; there are times myself where I simply want to play through a specific area that I really like, yet feel rushed out way too quickly. However, it's a very small margin. And it brings more problems (like what I underlined in stoog's point) over more solutions. It's more of a pain for the devs then it's worth, basically.

Here's a compromise, to avoid twinkies..

Make the option to turn off xp available.. only at halfway through the tier, so say, 6, 16, 26, and only at those levels. So you can't ubertwink the max level of the tier like in DaoC, but can still freeze your progress for whatever purposes.

Originally posted by randomt

Here's a compromise, to avoid twinkies..

Make the option to turn off xp available.. only at halfway through the tier, so say, 6, 16, 26, and only at those levels. So you can't ubertwink the max level of the tier like in DaoC, but can still freeze your progress for whatever purposes.

 

Genius.

I'd say that the /xp off ability HALVES your xp gain at rank 10-11, 20-21, 30-31..  and only stops it entirely at any other rank.

This prevents twinking and people like to OP can play with their mates a bit more easily.

Originally posted by Deewe

Or even better skill based MMO withtout levels.

QFT. Enough with the exp grinding already, id rather have to level up skills to get better moves... in otherwords, base the game around fun and content and not around leveling. Let that be a perk.

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

Originally posted by madstoog

 Xp toggle is stupid, play the game and get to the end game.

This feature would just result in people sticking to the highest level for the tiers, 11, 21 and 31 and killing any newbies in seconds that come along because they will be able to max out their gear.

Why play the game if u dont want to advance?

get to level 40 and play, trust me lvl 40 will be far more entertaining than level 11... unless your one of those people who enjoy ease mode.

Cool, I was hoping to find someone who would pay my $15/month.  Oh wait, you're not going to? Then don't tell me how to enjoy the game. 

I've enjoyed every level so far, and sometimes my friends are left behind due to less playtime or less fortune in playing.  I would like to shut off xp and stick around with them.  Or, as mentioned, help out a lowbie new to the guild.  Or, just stick around and continue enjoying Sea of Claws, or Troll Country, or High Pass, or wherever I happen to be.    Point being, why rush to end game? I see zero point if you're enjoying yourself. 

I've given valid reasons for an xp toggle, you've given your opinion of my character -- apparently I'm an unskilled newb killer with uber equipment (There is so little difference in equipment at lower levels that we know this can't be true).

I'm going to give you a piece of advice:  Don't believe everything you think.  And definitely feel free to not share it.  

- LC   

 

There's a game where you can stay at the max level for your tier.. it's call World of Warcraft.

Adding a /xp off is a waste of the devs time.  especailly because, as stated int he paster, the point of this game is ENDGAME.. not twinking your character.  This isn't a PvE game. You don't need to experience all of the PvE with one character, you have 10 slots.  10.  I'm tired of seeing 7+ max level characters for scenarios as is.  So is mythic, hence the PvP XP.    So.. here's how to play your game.. GO PLAY WoW.. there you can max out your bracket and kill all the lowbies you want. Peace.

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So tell me something, whats the difference being stuck at lv 40 (max) when other players in that tier are lower... vs.. say what the op is proposing? What? Nothing? Then your argument just got flushed. *shrug*