Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by VPellen

Alright, alright, keep the personal attacks and the dickwaving to a minimum, please.

 

I feel the need to say something in regards to the "vet haters" leaking into the regular forums. (I feel the need to say things a lot. I get the feeling that it'll one day either get me fired or earn me a promotion.)

It is not, nor has it ever been, and nor will it ever be, against the rules of MMORPG.com to express a negative opinion. People are allowed to do that. They are allowed to come in to a forum full of people who love a game, and say "I hate this game". That's an opinion. You're allowed to speak opinions. Now it's true that the rules of MMORPG.com say that "excessive negative comments" are considered trolling. I can't speak much for that rule except to say that I think it's impractical and outdated, as well as being incredibly subjective and open to interpretation. Regardless, people are allowed to speak their opinions. Sometimes it may seem like a person's only purpose is to hang around one forum and talk bad about that game. And that can be annoying, but it's acceptable. People are allowed to talk bad about things. If they weren't, then the forums truly would be a dictatorship.

Secondly, this may come as a great surprise to many of you, but the moderators here don't really care about the specific sides of the community. The vet forum does stand out, but only insofar as it seems to be the center of a lot of flame wars. We don't moderate as fans of one side or another, because that never factors into it. I don't think there's been a single instance of a moderator here deleting a post because of a personal opinion. Like, ever. Maybe once or twice with a rookie moderator who was still learning the ropes, but seriously, that's it. We don't care about the NGE and Smedley. We care about flame wars and gold spammers.

Finally: Sharky, it's generally not going to get you much response to speak publicly about moderation issues. If you have issues with moderation, you should consult the community manager.

Also, for whatever it's worth, while I can't tell for sure why your post was deleted because I wasn't the one who deleted it, I can say that it was probably less to do with you telling somebody that they should make up their own mind, and probably more to do with the bit where you called another user a fascist. If you avoid calling other users fascists, you should probably be fine in the future.

Have fun guys, and please don't let things turn into flame wars, yeah?

 

No offense, but sounds to me like you're defending the "vets", which is unobjective IMHO. Its always the same guys, derailing and spreading negativity and falsehoods about the imminent shutdown of the game etc. Just take a look at Obraiks thread about vehicular combat. He's basically been accused of lying and trying to dupe people into subbing, which quite simply isnt the case, and its ALWAYS the same offenders.

I have taken it up with the management and I made it public because it is my RIGHT to do so. If they choose to permanently ban me, that is their choice. This is a forum, it is of little consequence whether I am a member here or not in the grand scheme of things.

Again, no offense, and I won't comment any further on this matter.

S

You know, since the hateres bring their arguments here, you and friends cna always take their arguements to the vet forum as well, there is no rule against arguing pro-SWG in there.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

As with everything else, we disagree. It's not private when it is being done blatantly and overtly. There is an entire forum devoted to your naysaying, feel free to use it and leave those of us who still enjoy the game, despite its flaws, well alone.

S

 

So you want the right to speak freely about the moderation but you want to silence any opinions that differ to your own. Free speech on your terms then, that's described in a word you've used previously

 

Nope, thats not at all what I said. Obraik's current thread is a prime example of what I am talking about. He has been baited, misquoted, misrepresented and you, among others, are over there just trying to find a kink in the armour so you can pounce. No doubt you'll have endless criticisms of the flight model judging by Obraik's most recent response.

It is your nature to complain. When SWG does finally go, you'll either continue to whine about it long after it's closure or you'll find something else to complain about. That is the problem I have and it has nothing to do with free speech. Speak your piece, tell us you dont like SWG and why, but don't hang around, purposely trying to pick holes in the game and its players simply because you have an axe to grind.

S

 

Well you obviously haven't seen too much of my posts. "Speak your piece, tell us you dont like SWG and why" That's pretty much what I do, I won't respond to Obraik's post in the other thread because he's already said what needs saying, it's not true atmospheric flight, it's what a lot of us guessed it would be, a modified version of the speeder mechanics, that was all I asked, that was all I wanted in reply. Your biggest problem is you see all "vets" as one entity, I'm a former player of the game of course, so consider me a vet if you like, it's rare you'll see me stating anything other than what's factually correct and on the rare occasion I do it'll probably be either alcohol (don't post drunk, kids) or misinformation, which I'm only too happy to be corrected on if that's the case.

On game mechanics, functionality, playability or whatever else with regards to the game, my opinion is just as relevent and at home on this forum as yours is.

I am a "vet" by their definitiion (although I find it a laughably inappropriate definition). I do not wish to subvert anyone's legitimate opinions but if you have an OUNCE of objectivity, you know that there are several here (and maybe you aren't included) that exist to attack anything positive that is said about SWG.

These are the same people that would be praising things like Hoth if there had never been an NGE. My guild and I spend hours a week on voice chat in the wee hours discussing the things we miss and the many other things that need attention. We lament the absolute stupidity of things like the halloween festival when they COULD be fixing bugs that have been around for years.

I am not some rabid fanboi, blinded by an irrational love of the game, or SOE. I play because I have many friends there and I still have a good time playing the game, despite its flaws. I enjoy helping new people and I still like going out and solo grinding in the deepest darkest parts of the Galaxy.

Dath is not as dangerous or forbidding as it used to be, Krayts aren't the challenge they used to be, but the game is still fun and I'd still rather play SWG than any mass marketed cartoon garbage that we will see in 2 years (mark my words on that).

In closing, MMORPG gave the "Vets" a forum for their conspiracy theories, naysaying and general ill will towards SWG and SOE. I never really post there and I rarely read the posts because it's always the same people and it's ALWAYS the same sentiment. I respect their right to post whatever they want, including the utter lies that have been perpetuated there in the last 3 years concerning the "imminent" demise of SWG.

Just keep it there, I think thats a fair request. Anything positive that is posted here is IMMEDIATELY attacked and that is the height of disrespect and discourtesy towards people who genuinely enjoy the game and to those who are thinking of trying it. Let them make up their own minds based on their own experiences.

S

Originally posted by VPellen

Secondly, this may come as a great surprise to many of you, but the moderators here don't really care about the specific sides of the community. The vet forum does stand out, but only insofar as it seems to be the center of a lot of flame wars. We don't moderate as fans of one side or another, because that never factors into it. I don't think there's been a single instance of a moderator here deleting a post because of a personal opinion. Like, ever. Maybe once or twice with a rookie moderator who was still learning the ropes, but seriously, that's it. We don't care about the NGE and Smedley. We care about flame wars and gold spammers.

You know, there is one quick way to fix that....delete the outdated and, in your opinion, flame war centric Vet Forums.

I would stay away from this game for one simple reason.... it's boring.

What is hilarious is that Sharky is defending Obraik's thread claiming that he got flamed and derailed...

Go look at the title of Obraik's thread and tell us that it is not misleading...  Obraik later retracted saying that he "HOPES" vehicular combat comes to SWG outside of Hoth, but the title of his thread is just another example of why his posts come under scrutiny.

Sharky, I have just as much right to post here as you do.  So does everyone else.  A lot of people have very negative opinions of this game because, quite simply, the game isn't very good.  I still use my vet trials when they are offered so I can certainly offer an opinion of this game that is just as credible as yours or Obraiks.

It seems to me that you are the one that has all the problems on this forum.  We have been discussing this game for a long time with civility.  Even with Obraik and gutboy, there is civility, but with you it's just whining. 

The moderation of this forum is quite equitable.  I would suggest you take a break from the internet for a while and ease your tension.  It isn't healthy to get this emotional over a forum or a game.

Originally posted by Thunderous

What is hilarious is that Sharky is defending Obraik's thread claiming that he got flamed and derailed...

Go look at the title of Obraik's thread and tell us that it is not misleading...  Obraik later retracted saying that he "HOPES" vehicular combat comes to SWG outside of Hoth, but the title of his thread is just another example of why his posts come under scrutiny.

Sharky, I have just as much right to post here as you do.  So does everyone else.  A lot of people have very negative opinions of this game because, quite simply, the game isn't very good.  I still use my vet trials when they are offered so I can certainly offer an opinion of this game that is just as credible as yours or Obraiks.

It seems to me that you are the one that has all the problems on this forum.  We have been discussing this game for a long time with civility.  Even with Obraik and gutboy, there is civility, but with you it's just whining. 

The moderation of this forum is quite equitable.  I would suggest you take a break from the internet for a while and ease your tension.  It isn't healthy to get this emotional over a forum or a game.

Well said. If Sharky wants a forum where negative SWG opinions are heavily moderated/censored  and players that  express negative views of the game can be flamed with almost full impunity, then the O-boards maybe more to his liking.

As to the OP, if you have the time to spare, then try the free SWG trial. Since most of the servers are ghost towns, I would suggest starting a toon on Bria (West Coast), Bloodfin (East Coast) or Chimaera (Europe). While there are parts of the game that you may find enjoyable, you will also find reasons why the game lost the bulk of its playerbase. I guess it is a matter of balance....is the little that is good able to outweigh the bad to provide the entertainment you seek.

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by PreCU

 

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Originally posted by Sharkypal
My post that simply said "make up your own mind" that had nothing offensive or belligerent in it at all has been removed by the "Vetmod".

 
 

Originally posted by VPellen
while I can't tell for sure why your post was deleted because I wasn't the one who deleted it, I can say that it was probably less to do with you telling somebody that they should make up their own mind, and probably more to do with the bit where you called another user a fascist. If you avoid calling other users fascists, you should probably be fine in the future.

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so sharky, in your post "that simply said, 'make up your own mind' that had nothing offensive or belligerent in it at all" you called someone a fascist?

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Yes I did

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that makes you a liar. You said your deleted post didn't have anything offensive in it... and it did. And you just admitted it. You had no right to make an ordeal out of that post being deleted.