Originally posted by Dracus

Well I do agree about the prescription medications...  RLS, Restless Leg Syndrome has a prescription medication?!?  And then there are of those side-effects that are not provided on the label of advertisement, rather, to ask one's doctor for further side-effects.  After side-effects that could lead to death is not good to mention for marketing.  Errr, I think I'll stop there, prescription medications are another topic.

But I do have a question to ask to you, since you work in the industry. How would a compromise of sorts with Universal Health Care and Private Health Care work in the basic terms (I can understand there would be some details to hash out), of where Universal is for Diagnostics and Private for Treatment?  The goal being where the Government can subsidize the costs of the tests, therefore allowing for more tests to be done.  Once the problem(s) have been figured out, treatment could be done through Private means.

I am against " universal healthcare" No instead we fix the private industry and improve existing programs.  I don't think that is possible for all typoes of situations simply because treatment is alot more expensive than diagnostics, rather than have "universal anything" those that can afford to pay, do pay and those that cannot afford to pay still get treatment but it is determined by an IRS audit whether or not they receive a government payment plan or the government foots the bill. I think that having the IRS investigate and if they walk into someones home that claims they can't pay and they are all sitting pretty with their Big screen,  big rims on their car and a pocket full of cash... I think the government has every right to take that as payment if necessary.  Some money towards the bills is better than none.

I can see that point, though I wonder how the IRS would investigate Illeagal Aliens for free health-care.  I guess then those people would not be entitled.  Works for me.

Yeah it makes sense that the more hardcore MMO players would turn democratic since they loose all creativity and motivation for career and work. What losers.

Originally posted by crysomore

Yeah it makes sense that the more hardcore MMO players would turn democratic since they loose all creativity and motivation for career and work. What losers.

Lol you actually believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth? ROFL, that was by far one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time. All republicans have done this whole election is fear monger, and it’s not working at all. Either way it’s provided me with entertainment, glad it’ll all be over in a few days. Remember to vote if you haven’t already. xD

I could totally go for having my tax dollars go towards universal medicare since I already pay to kill people in other countries with these sencless wars.  In addition the GOP was opened up the borders so much that more people came into this country in the first year and a half during the Bush presidency then did the whole 8 years of Clinton being in office.  All those illegal immigrants get free healthcare when they go into hospitals in California and it cost us 5 billion dollars last year alone which is almost enough to balance our budget that fell short this year.

Originally posted by konrad16660

I could totally go for having my tax dollars go towards universal medicare since I already pay to kill people in other countries with these sencless wars.  In addition the GOP was opened up the borders so much that more people came into this country in the first year and a half during the Bush presidency then did the whole 8 years of Clinton being in office.  All those illegal immigrants get free healthcare when they go into hospitals in California and it cost us 5 billion dollars last year alone which is almost enough to balance our budget that fell short this year.

What you fail  to understand is not only is he trying to pay for healthcare but he has already stated that war cannot be avoided at this point. no he will have to spend more money on the war as well, can we afford both? NO!  He has already stated his postion on Iran, and Pakistan, and that somethings cannot be avoided.  We will be paying for this war no matter who becomes president, and if you go by history a Democrat has never ended a war, only started them.
 

We simply do not have the money to do what he has proposed, nor are we going to abandon the war efforts. WE are not the only nation at war here, we have agreements with our ALLIES that will be upheld. He will be in the same postion Bush was in and no money to fix anything.  Just he plans on spending more money in different countries than we currently spend, that is the only difference here.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by konrad16660

I could totally go for having my tax dollars go towards universal medicare since I already pay to kill people in other countries with these sencless wars.  In addition the GOP was opened up the borders so much that more people came into this country in the first year and a half during the Bush presidency then did the whole 8 years of Clinton being in office.  All those illegal immigrants get free healthcare when they go into hospitals in California and it cost us 5 billion dollars last year alone which is almost enough to balance our budget that fell short this year.

What you fail  to understand is not only is he trying to pay for healthcare but he has already stated that war cannot be avoided at this point. no he will have to spend more money on the war as well, can we afford both? NO!  He has already stated his postion on Iran, and Pakistan, and that somethings cannot be avoided.  We will be paying for this war no matter who becomes president, and if you go by history a Democrat has never ended a war, only started them.
 

We simply do not have the money to do what he has proposed, nor are we going to abandon the war efforts. WE are not the only nation at war here, we have agreements with our ALLIES that will be upheld. He will be in the same postion Bush was in and no money to fix anything.  Just he plans on spending more money in different countries than we currently spend, that is the only difference here.

What allies do we have agreements with to stay at war in Iraq?  We will be out of there sooner with Obama then with McCain.  In addition we may get some jobs back here in the US so that we can actually have more people paying taxes again.  I challenge anyone to give a decent argument that the country is better with Bush than it was before hand.

Originally posted by konrad16660

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by konrad16660

I could totally go for having my tax dollars go towards universal medicare since I already pay to kill people in other countries with these sencless wars.  In addition the GOP was opened up the borders so much that more people came into this country in the first year and a half during the Bush presidency then did the whole 8 years of Clinton being in office.  All those illegal immigrants get free healthcare when they go into hospitals in California and it cost us 5 billion dollars last year alone which is almost enough to balance our budget that fell short this year.

What you fail  to understand is not only is he trying to pay for healthcare but he has already stated that war cannot be avoided at this point. no he will have to spend more money on the war as well, can we afford both? NO!  He has already stated his postion on Iran, and Pakistan, and that somethings cannot be avoided.  We will be paying for this war no matter who becomes president, and if you go by history a Democrat has never ended a war, only started them.
 

We simply do not have the money to do what he has proposed, nor are we going to abandon the war efforts. WE are not the only nation at war here, we have agreements with our ALLIES that will be upheld. He will be in the same postion Bush was in and no money to fix anything.  Just he plans on spending more money in different countries than we currently spend, that is the only difference here.

 

What allies do we have agreements with to stay at war in Iraq?  We will be out of there sooner with Obama then with McCain.  In addition we may get some jobs back here in the US so that we can actually have more people paying taxes again.  I challenge anyone to give a decent argument that the country is better with Bush than it was before hand.

Welcome to World War III. George Bush didn't start it, the Jihad did.

No one could argue we were better off in the middle of World World War I, or World War II -- they also didn't try to undermine our efforts by pretending it wasn't going on and even MAKING such a statement.

The Long War is about protecting civilization; there won't be any jobs if there are no cities, no freedom, no constitutional governments.

Originally posted by konrad16660

I could totally go for having my tax dollars go towards universal medicare since I already pay to kill people in other countries with these sencless wars.  In addition the GOP was opened up the borders so much that more people came into this country in the first year and a half during the Bush presidency then did the whole 8 years of Clinton being in office.  All those illegal immigrants get free healthcare when they go into hospitals in California and it cost us 5 billion dollars last year alone which is almost enough to balance our budget that fell short this year.

Not even close. The deficit last year was over 170 billion.

Originally posted by Thunderous

By the way, I hope Obama and his Socialism stay as far away from the White Houst as possible.

While I think the OP is making ridiculous analogies that SURELY were intended as a JOKE, I have to throw MY 'two cents" in here as well and say....

By the way, I hope McCain and Palin and their combination of senility, emotional instability, and downright stupidity stay as far away from the While House as possible.

The mere possibility that Sarah Palin could EVER serve as president is enough to terrify me all the way to the polls.  I cannot imagine, even a diehard Republican voting for McCain with that lunatic on the ticket.  If McCain thought that women were so STUPID that they would vote for him just because he put a hockey mom that bakes cookies and goes to an ULTRA conservative (seemingly cultish) church on his ticket....he has incredibly poor judgment, and is even more of a male chauvinistic arse than what I already thought.

I love how the Republicans cry "socialism" at EVERY single Democrat that EVER runs.  This isn't a new thing.  Y'all need to come up with some new accusations, these same ones rinsed and re-used, are just getting old, like McCain's Bushinista policies.

McCain believes that everyone is equal....some people are just "MORE equal" than others.  What a douche.  You may say you want the Democrats our of your pocketbooks, but some people would like the Republicans out of their bedrooms, hearts, and private lives.  

REGARDLESS of your choice as to whom to vote FOR....the important things today is that you VOTE.  Period.

VOTE....while we still have the right to do at LEAST that.  /sigh

The problem with the analogy is that in MMOs healing can be entirely free because it is done by NPCs that do not need money for anything and whoes sole purpose is to heal players.  Now if you wanted to make the game more like real universal healthcare then you should add taxes into the game. The higher your gold income the more the in game government takes from you and other NPCs should use healthcare too, and also add in sickness that would require medical attention.

Besides in games like WAR you pay for your own healthcare, in other words getting rid of debuffs gained from death.

Originally posted by konrad16660

What allies do we have agreements with to stay at war in Iraq?  We will be out of there sooner with Obama then with McCain.  In addition we may get some jobs back here in the US so that we can actually have more people paying taxes again.  I challenge anyone to give a decent argument that the country is better with Bush than it was before hand.

If we leave before the job is finished it will be more costly to the American people to have to go back later and finish the job. We must keep the oil flowing from Iraq to europe, without the iraqi oil, Russia has too much control over Europe. There is a reason Britain pulled voting for the war in Iraq from the table, nope NATO didn;t have a chance to say no because Britain pulled it? why because it is vital to Europe  to have that oil.  Iraq, russia, georgia, afganhistan.. they are all related. We are not the only country at war here, and Europe needs that oil. I don't think it would have mattered who was president at the time all of this occurred the same things would have happened.

why? take a read ....

Europe identifies Iraq as major gas supplier
www.ameinfo.com/161148.html

Oil in Iraq
www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/irqindx.htm

Israel, Iran, and the US: Nuclear War, Here We Come
www.antiwar.com/orig/hirsch.php

Israel Waging 'Secret War With Iran'
www.nysun.com/foreign/israel-waging-secret-war-with-iran/85831/

US to take over Afghan mission

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4547629.ece

Britain spied on UN allies over war vote
www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/feb/08/iraq.iraq

Saakhashvili: Georgia has evidence Russia started the war

www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1429574.php/Saakhashvili_Georgia_has_evidence_Russia_started_the_war__Extra__

Georgia Offers Fresh Evidence on War?s Start
www.gainesville.com/article/20080916/ZNYT03/809160312/1006/NEWS&title=Georgia_Offers_Fresh_Evidence_on_War__x2019_s_Start

Russia Jets Bomb Georgia Oil Pipeline
www.nysun.com/foreign/russia-jets-bomb-georgia-oil-pipeline/83547/

Ukraine to Cut Russian Crude from Odessa-Brody Pipeline
www.oilandgaseurasia.com/articles/p/79/article/677/

UKRAINE MOVING TO REDUCE RUSSIAN MONOPOLY ON OIL MARKET

www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php

US adviser warns of Armageddon
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/16/iraq.richardnortontaylor

Al Qaeda Organization for Holy War in Iraq
(Jama'at al-Tawhid Wa al-Jihad)
www.adl.org/terrorism/symbols/al_qaeda_iraq.asp

Britain 'made terror target by Iraq war'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-356149/Britain-terror-target-Iraq-war.html

How NATO Chose to Fail in Afghanistan
www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1565691,00.html

SLIPPING TOWARD ARMAGEDDON: Israel in Iraq By Mark Gaffney
www.williambowles.info/isrl-pal/israel_in_iraq.html

ARMAGEDDON: Finally Unearthed?
www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/5077

Yes... I do too much reading.

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by crysomore

Yeah it makes sense that the more hardcore MMO players would turn democratic since they loose all creativity and motivation for career and work. What losers.

 

Lol you actually believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth? ROFL, that was by far one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time. All republicans have done this whole election is fear monger, and it’s not working at all. Either way it’s provided me with entertainment, glad it’ll all be over in a few days. Remember to vote if you haven’t already. xD

...just because you don't like being called out.

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by Thunderous

By the way, I hope Obama and his Socialism stay as far away from the White Houst as possible.

 

McCain believes that everyone is equal....some people are just "MORE equal" than others.  What a douche.  You may say you want the Democrats our of your pocketbooks, but some people would like the Republicans out of their bedrooms, hearts, and private lives.  

You know what, stop being silly.  There's a law still on the books in VA saying it's illegal to have anal sex. Does that stop anyone?  No one is in anyone's bedroom.  Any two people can get married anywhere or have whatever kinda sex they want and you know it.  Taxes on the other hand are not optional so just cut the worthless rhetoric.

xaldraxius YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER.  yea i work and yes it would suck if my job was out sourced to a different nation. but thats the country we live in. this is a capitalist country not a socialist one so companies will do whats in their best interest if you dont agree with what they think thats fine its you their employing not the other way around.  life deals you crap and you have to deal with it.  you cant whine about what happens to you but you put up with it and do the best you can.  your statement proves how much of an idiot you are i hope its illegal for you to vote.

Originally posted by xbellx777

xaldraxius YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER.  yea i work and yes it would suck if my job was out sourced to a different nation. but thats the country we live in. this is a capitalist country not a socialist one so companies will do whats in their best interest if you dont agree with what they think thats fine its you their employing not the other way around.  life deals you crap and you have to deal with it.  you cant whine about what happens to you but you put up with it and do the best you can.  your statement proves how much of an idiot you are i hope its illegal for you to vote.

It's nice to see the right wing view so eloquently stated. Destroying our manufacturing base is in our National interest, and If you disagree your a socialist. I don't know how i missed that.

Originally posted by qazyman

Originally posted by xbellx777

xaldraxius YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER.  yea i work and yes it would suck if my job was out sourced to a different nation. but thats the country we live in. this is a capitalist country not a socialist one so companies will do whats in their best interest if you dont agree with what they think thats fine its you their employing not the other way around.  life deals you crap and you have to deal with it.  you cant whine about what happens to you but you put up with it and do the best you can.  your statement proves how much of an idiot you are i hope its illegal for you to vote.

 

It's nice to see the right wing view so eloquently stated. Destroying our manufacturing base is in our National interest, and If you disagree your a socialist. I don't know how i missed that.

then what do you suggest oh smart one? that the government ban the companies form leaving the country? that they tell what the companies what to do and where to build it? why not have the government just take them all over? and why do you view me as the whole right wing? im just one voice ive been bashed so many times for not voting for change its not even funny.  even tho we really dont know what this change is.  and ive been called racist for not voting for obama.  dont point fingers at the right wing when theres an equal amount right back at you. personally i dont want this country to become any more of a welfare state than it already is. but thats MY OPINION

Originally posted by steuss

Let me just say, I KNOW obama does not want Universal Healthcare, but his plan is the closest of the candidates for Pres. out there.

 

Most, if not ALL MMO games have a Universal Healthcare component built into them. You get sick, die, fall unconscious, get poisoned, ailed in any way, and there is a robust system that is free to the player. POOF!! You're back on your feet, thanks to the state! Hibernia in Daoc had Healers scattered about their lands, presumibly on the King's dime. Sure, there is a small fee to keep people from abusing the system, but nothing that even the lowest couldn't afford. Heck, there was even a sliding scale on cost based on your wealth (level).

 

In wow there was no fee at all!! Just, Hey, we saved your soul, go back and get your body! Don't worry, Azeroth has taken care of the expense.

 

Do you think these life saving infrastructures are supplied by a third party coperation? I never saw a corperate logo on my healer.

 

When we're in the field and that nasty gobbie poked me with his poisoned stick, and languishing i call out for help. Most likely a wandering samarian will apply some salve, and without a second thought move on. Isn't this type of behavior what we all want and demand in our virtual lives? Why do we settle for companies raping our wallets, good samaritans don't exist,, or if they do, they send you a bill for $102k just to heal a wound.

 

So, logically, i see that if you play MMO's you can IDENTIFY with Universal Healthcare, and therefor would want to move our REAL lives into the same direction, and therefor would choose to vote obama; if only because his Health Care plan is step in the right direction.

 

 

 

Yes yes yes, i know, this is mostly in jest, but not totally. NO, i'm not for killing people just b/c i do it in game. No, i don't want to slaughter thousands of woodland creatures just to get better at it.

 

I'm merly commentting on how it is a social structure built into games that we don't even question or second guess. Yet it is something we DEMAND in game, but seem not to in RL.

I really do hope you are joking...

Using a video game to parallel a real life issue? Nope.

If only government run agencies were as efficient as those healers that magically make your wound go away for free. The fact is, it doesn't work like that; and if you think it does, then you are delusional.

And it may not cost you anything in game to get healed, but that's because all it takes is some lines of code to magically make your illness fade in game. In real life it takes tons of tax dollars and hard work from doctors to make your health problem go away, that is a pretty big difference.