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  steuss

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Joined: 4/03/05
Posts: 106

 
11/03/08 12:00:38 PM#1

Let me just say, I KNOW obama does not want Universal Healthcare, but his plan is the closest of the candidates for Pres. out there.

Most, if not ALL MMO games have a Universal Healthcare component built into them. You get sick, die, fall unconscious, get poisoned, ailed in any way, and there is a robust system that is free to the player. POOF!! You're back on your feet, thanks to the state! Hibernia in Daoc had Healers scattered about their lands, presumibly on the King's dime. Sure, there is a small fee to keep people from abusing the system, but nothing that even the lowest couldn't afford. Heck, there was even a sliding scale on cost based on your wealth (level).

In wow there was no fee at all!! Just, Hey, we saved your soul, go back and get your body! Don't worry, Azeroth has taken care of the expense.

Do you think these life saving infrastructures are supplied by a third party coperation? I never saw a corperate logo on my healer.

When we're in the field and that nasty gobbie poked me with his poisoned stick, and languishing i call out for help. Most likely a wandering samarian will apply some salve, and without a second thought move on. Isn't this type of behavior what we all want and demand in our virtual lives? Why do we settle for companies raping our wallets, good samaritans don't exist,, or if they do, they send you a bill for $102k just to heal a wound.

So, logically, i see that if you play MMO's you can IDENTIFY with Universal Healthcare, and therefor would want to move our REAL lives into the same direction, and therefor would choose to vote obama; if only because his Health Care plan is step in the right direction.

Yes yes yes, i know, this is mostly in jest, but not totally. NO, i'm not for killing people just b/c i do it in game. No, i don't want to slaughter thousands of woodland creatures just to get better at it.

I'm merly commentting on how it is a social structure built into games that we don't even question or second guess. Yet it is something we DEMAND in game, but seem not to in RL.

  galad2003

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Joined: 11/13/05
Posts: 168

11/03/08 12:05:29 PM#2

Please take your political agenda elsewhere. Thanks

 

  Thunderous

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Joined: 2/28/08
Posts: 1203

11/03/08 12:05:59 PM#3

Wrong.

Universal Healthcare isn't the answer, not in a traditional sense.  Competition is what drives prices and services down.  If you want an idea of what Universal Healthcare would  be like drive down to the VA Hospital closest to you and check out how poor the service provided is.

The true answer is for the government to create a federally-backed heathcare provided for people under a certain income-level that allows them and their children healthcare coverage based on a small monthly fee that is allowed to offer more competitive services in the free market.

Socializing medicine creates a world of problems for our economy.  Keeping it free market and socializing it a bit, helps minimize some of those issues.

We have to keep a competitive market to lower prices and make services maintain high standards.

IMO-

Tecmo Bowl.

  steuss

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Joined: 4/03/05
Posts: 106

 
11/03/08 12:06:14 PM#4

wow, it is clear you didn't even read my post.

  Thunderous

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Joined: 2/28/08
Posts: 1203

11/03/08 12:07:25 PM#5

By the way, I hope Obama and his Socialism stay as far away from the White Houst as possible.

Tecmo Bowl.

  Arawon

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Joined: 6/13/04
Posts: 1108

11/03/08 12:07:39 PM#6

Hey just confiscate the money from the "rich" to pay your subscription while your at it........it's only "fair".

  Thunderous

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Joined: 2/28/08
Posts: 1203

11/03/08 12:09:21 PM#7
Originally posted by steuss

wow, it is clear you didn't even read my post.


 

I read it and I agree for the most part, it's a funny observation that most of us never made. 

Tecmo Bowl.

  xbellx777

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Joined: 9/18/08
Posts: 731

11/03/08 12:10:58 PM#8

thunderous i agree with u 100%

  xaldraxius

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Joined: 10/07/05
Posts: 1287

11/03/08 12:12:03 PM#9

Vote for Change.

  xbellx777

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Joined: 9/18/08
Posts: 731

11/03/08 12:14:09 PM#10

yes vote to change our government from capitalism to socailism (SARCASM)

  Balkin31

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 193

11/03/08 12:14:17 PM#11

Get a job and pay for your own healthcare like the rest of us!!

  tillamook

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Joined: 9/14/05
Posts: 4812

11/03/08 12:15:09 PM#12

Wait! Didn’t McCain say on Larry King live a few days ago he didn’t think Obama was really a socialist? And it was some BS they were using to get people in an uproar? Lo you guys aren’t even following your own candidate


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  xbellx777

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Joined: 9/18/08
Posts: 731

11/03/08 12:17:23 PM#13

im following what obama is saying and what his plans are and not believing everything i see on tv

  tillamook

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11/03/08 12:20:02 PM#14

Hmmm McCain said it himself.

 

Larry King "Do you really think Obama is a socialist?"

McCain "No no I don't think he is?"


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  xbellx777

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Posts: 731

11/03/08 12:21:28 PM#15

well i think he is and i dont need someone to tell me how to think like you

  tillamook

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Posts: 4812

11/03/08 12:22:59 PM#16

lol you are wrong, do you believe in UFOs and government mind control too? XD

So I guess that makes Ronald Reagan a socialist, because he started the whole earned income credit thing back in the 80’s?


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  xaldraxius

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Joined: 10/07/05
Posts: 1287

11/03/08 12:23:21 PM#17


Originally posted by Balkin31
Get a job and pay for your own healthcare like the rest of us!!


Yeah!

Oh wait, unemployment is at such a high rate that many people can't find a job. Hmmmm...that is a pickle isn't it? Maybe if so many companies weren't sending all of their factories to China where the labor is cheaper we might not be in this recession. But hey, greed is it's own reward isn't it? Who cares about the country when we can squeeze out a few extra dollars by taking advantage of a less liberal economy. Of course those dollars aren't worth as much as they used to be...

Power to the proletariot!

  xbellx777

Novice Member

Joined: 9/18/08
Posts: 731

11/03/08 12:25:47 PM#18

no not at all i dont belive in cospiracies at all but you know obama has said he wants to redistribute the wealth? that means my paycheck will not all go to me but will also go to ppl who are to lazy to work ( which happens now but it will happen to a much higher degree if he gets elected, plus i get most of my taxes back anyways)

  Thunderous

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Joined: 2/28/08
Posts: 1203

11/03/08 12:29:19 PM#19
Originally posted by tillamook

Wait! Didn’t McCain say on Larry King live a few days ago he didn’t think Obama was really a socialist? And it was some BS they were using to get people in an uproar? Lo you guys aren’t even following your own candidate

Obama is NOT a Socialist?  Are you kidding me?

Socialism:  Economic system based on cooperation and not competition which utilizes central planning and redistribution.

Obama wishes to Socialize medicine.  Obama is going to tax those who make over $250,000/year and redistribute that moeny to those who make under a certain amount of money/year.

Furthermore, Obama is going to raise capital gains tax, which the economic history of Earth has told us will lower Gross Domestic Product and increase unemployment.  It is proven.  It isn't debatable.  Look it up yourself.

 

Think about this...  And I hope this sinks in...

When you take money from a person and redistribute it to another, there is no NEW money flowing into the economy.  It does not help the economy.  The only way to kickstart a slowing economy is to bring in NEW money to that economy from somewhere else.

Nearly all of the plans Obama has announced only serve to slow an already slowing American economy.  History and simple economics have proven this over hundreds of years.

 

However, Obama clearly has Socialistic beliefs and his plans for Healthcare and Tax Reform are certainly Socialism, by definition.  I could care less what McCain says.

Tecmo Bowl.

  tillamook

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Posts: 4812

11/03/08 12:31:10 PM#20
Originally posted by Thunderous
Originally posted by tillamook

Wait! Didn’t McCain say on Larry King live a few days ago he didn’t think Obama was really a socialist? And it was some BS they were using to get people in an uproar? Lo you guys aren’t even following your own candidate

Obama is NOT a Socialist?  Are you kidding me?

Socialism:  Economic system based on cooperation and not competition which utilizes central planning and redistribution.

Obama wishes to Socialize medicine.  Obama is going to tax those who make over $250,000/year and redistribute that moeny to those who make under a certain amount of money/year.

Furthermore, Obama is going to raise capital gains tax, which the economic history of Earth has told us will lower Gross Domestic Product and increase unemployment.  It is proven.  It isn't debatable.  Look it up yourself.

 

Think about this...  And I hope this sinks in...

When you take money from a person and redistribute it to another, there is no NEW money flowing into the economy.  It does not help the economy.  The only way to kickstart a slowing economy is to bring in NEW money to that economy from somewhere else.

Nearly all of the plans Obama has announced only serve to slow an already slowing American economy.  History and simple economics have proven this over hundreds of years.

 

However, Obama clearly has Socialistic beliefs and his plans for Healthcare and Tax Reform are certainly Socialism, by definition.  I could care less what McCain says.

 

Once again

 

"So I guess that makes Ronald Reagan a socialist, because he started the whole earned income credit thing back in the 80’s?"


SWG pre-cu vet, elder Jedi, elder BH -Bloodfin

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