Originally posted by admriker4

I just cancelled World of Warcraft.

The expansion got me thinking about how pointless the game really is. Its just a treadmill and I was the mouse being led around. I dont want to be forced to do another 500 quests, grind another 10 factions for rep, raid another 5 dungeons for 6 months, etc because I know in another 6 months they'll add another dungeon that makes all previous work obsolete.

Do people honestly find this enjoyable ? I guess they must if 10+ million play the game. They did manage to get 2 years from me as well. Not because the game is so good but because there simply isnt any other options available.

Why cant Blizz add some features that arent 100% focused on combat ? Why not make the game more appealing to the sandbox fans ? It wouldnt take much, just add a crafter class, housing, personal vendors, and crafter item buffs (maybe give food cooking to crafters only)

I remember my last day in WoW. I was watching players running around doing daily quests on sunwell isle. I kept thinking this is so stupid. This isnt content, its just cheese for the mice to chase around and find. I even asked in general chat if players were actually enjoying doing these mindless tasks (for some reason they do like it)

I hope Fallout 3 can keep me occupied until STO, Fallen Earth, or something else similiar launches. I dont want back into the theme park. Ive done all the rides, theyre boring

This is the reason i quit mmo's altogether.TBH the last 1 i played that was fun was AoC.

Currently playing FO3 and loving it.Not going back to mmo's ever unless i see FO online and its a great game and has a future.

MMO's have dropped the ball for thinking outside the box with the exception of EvE.They should look at FO3 to see how a good game is made.

Originally posted by IcoGames

Originally posted by admriker4 

its true what they say, slaves can actually learn to love their chains.

Im sorry but what possible fun is there in doing daily mindnumbing low-brow quests over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ???

These players just dont know any better and have learned to accept and even cherish utter garbage

 

That last part is fun given your history with dumpster diving. 

Anyway ... by your own admission you spent two years playing.  So were you forced into playing or are you some self-loathing idiot?

It wasnt that I loathed WoW the whole time. It was more like settling for it because there just isnt anything else to play. And I never played 2 years straight. WoW was always my filler / kill time MMO while waiting on something else.

Play LOTR for 4 months, back to WoW for 6 weeks....play EVE for 1 month, back to WoW for 2 months....try something new like Conan for a month or two, then back to WoW....try yet again a SWG free trial, and back to WoW....Play nothing and spend time on forums looking for new games and info on them, and back to WoW....Get really desperate and try something like Matrix, cancel and back to WoW....Pray for a beta invite to something, and back to WoW.....rinse and repeat. I cant find a home these days. I spent 5 years in Ultima, 3 years in SWG, and now I wander around like a nomad searching for something decent

MMO's have been my main form of entertainment for half of my life. I started way back when online play was just text and no graphics. Even before we had the world wide web, many of my friends and I played on the local intranet connection.

My other option which most americans tend to use is Television but it sucks these days. No more classic sitcoms like Seinfeld. No more sci-fi Star Trek (we had something like 20 straight years of a Trek show on tv until recently). No more 4400 show on USA network, Soprano's was cancelled....besides football on sunday I got no reason to even own a television anymore Just a bunch of junk reality shows which i absolutely despise.

Reading about The Old Republic has inspired a newfound dislike of WoW. I hate the fact that Bioware is making a WoW type clone with better stories. LA says theyve learned their lesson from NGE yet theyre making another version of it with Bioware. If they had truly learned their lesson we'd be seeing a new clean version of swg pre-cu.  200,000 players quit over the NGE but LA still thinks they can get the WoW crowd to come play star wars.

Originally posted by admriker4

Originally posted by IcoGames

Originally posted by admriker4 

its true what they say, slaves can actually learn to love their chains.

Im sorry but what possible fun is there in doing daily mindnumbing low-brow quests over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ???

These players just dont know any better and have learned to accept and even cherish utter garbage

 

That last part is fun given your history with dumpster diving. 

Anyway ... by your own admission you spent two years playing.  So were you forced into playing or are you some self-loathing idiot?

 

It wasnt that I loathed WoW the whole time. It was more like settling for it because there just isnt anything else to play. And I never played 2 years straight. WoW was always my filler / kill time MMO while waiting on something else.

Play LOTR for 4 months, back to WoW for 6 weeks....play EVE for 1 month, back to WoW for 2 months....try something new like Conan for a month or two, then back to WoW....try yet again a SWG free trial, and back to WoW....Play nothing and spend time on forums looking for new games and info on them, and back to WoW....Get really desperate and try something like Matrix, cancel and back to WoW....Pray for a beta invite to something, and back to WoW.....rinse and repeat. I cant find a home these days. I spent 5 years in Ultima, 3 years in SWG, and now I wander around like a nomad searching for something decent

Television sucks these days. No more classic sitcoms like Seinfeld. No more sci-fi Star Trek (we had something like 20 straight years of a Trek show on tv until recently). No more 4400 show on USA network, Soprano's was cancelled....besides football on sunday I got no reason to even own a television anymore Just a bunch of junk reality shows which i absolutely despise.

Reading about The Old Republic has inspired a newfound dislike of WoW. I hate the fact that Bioware is making a WoW type clone with better stories. LA says theyve learned their lesson from NGE yet theyre making another version of it with Bioware. If they had truly learned their lesson we'd be seeing a new clean version of swg pre-cu.  200,000 players quit over the NGE but LA still thinks they can get the WoW crowd to come play star wars.

Firstly, i will recomend some Tv shows for you, i got no idea if you have seen them, but if you have not, check em out

Californication-  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0904208/

True blood- http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=true+blood

Dexter- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0773262/

Entourage- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387199/

Sanctuary - (New sci-fi with amanda tapping from stargate, shot infront of a blue screen. The best and most buitiful sci-fi series ive seen in YEARS) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0965394/

Something there is bound to draw ur attention

As for games, seems like you have tried most games so il list some MMorpgs overlooked and some new awsome singleplayers wich can hold ur attention for some upcomming releases,

Pirates of the burning sea- EvE in the age of sails, not as complex, not as refined. But an awsome game none the less and is my new cup of tea in the world of mmos. they got a free trial going so deff should try it

Fallout 3 -  Singleplayer, bought it yesterday and played about 3 hours in and i'm blown away, Awsome Awsome Awsome

free beta for CoD5- flieplanet has free open beta for cod5, avaiable to all, if you like FPS try it. Cod4 in a WW2 setting!

All i can think of, hopefully you will find something of use, good luck in you'r endevours of game serching!:)

EDIT: forgot the best sitcom of today! The big bang theory, simply hilarious!- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898266/

I am starting to think that some people have no clue what " sandbox " means. I think the OP is one of them.

Originally posted by SlyLoK

I am starting to think that some people have no clue what " sandbox " means. I think the OP is one of them.

Either that or burning out hits some way harder than others.

But he's soo right about the TV lately and the attack of reality. They say something is wrong with us for seeking escapism in entertainment media, at least we know it's escapism. To me it's just creepy howmany people look for real people and real human interaction over a TV screen. 

I think I get what you saying OP, but it's not WoWs fault, it's a game first and knows it's limitations, nothing wrong with that. It's just a shame there isn't a sandbox of the same quality.

Originally posted by admriker4
 

just plain wrong...

and your example of Fallout 3 is also incorrect. Yes there are scripted quests but guess what, I dont have to do them. I have the OPTION to do some, skip them, etc. total freedom.

If you don't do any of the scripted events in fallout 3, all you can do is go to random places and kill random people.  Big freedom eh? Guess what, you don't have to quest in wow.  You don't have to do instances in wow.  You have total freedom.

And just like real life(which is what sandbox is supposed to simulate right?) the people that work harder get more shiny things. 

WoW gives you the same options as fallout 3.  There is no difference.

In EVE I can go forever without ever entering combat. I can run my own business literally in EVE. In WoW I can do nothing but combat and quests. the game's sole focus is repetitive killing. non-combat is a dirty term in WoW.

What are you doing when you run a business? Buying and selling items created and then divvied out at the rate designed by the company.  CCP designed it so  you can get so many materials over a certain time, in comparison to the amount needed to create stuff/use them.  This dictates the price.  When theres a boom in want it goes up.  But you still are going through the developer scripted gathering/requirement.

While you aren't killing anything in EVE, you are actually contributing to killing.  That's what a business does.  If someone goes and farms primals in wow, sells them, builds up a large amount of money and then proceeds to buyout the ah and raise the prices on items, increasing the economy they could.  But why would they?

See that's the issue here, all the sandbox features are present in wow.  There just is more to the game then that.  Theres quests, raiding, arenas, battlegrounds, dungeons.  People don't have to skim the bottom of the nearly empty barrel for the small features to make it their main focus.

If there was NO combat in EVE at all.  Can you honestly say there would be a demand for your business'?  A entire space game based around mining?  How long would that last.  What you fail to realize is that you are just filling the scripted role the developers wanted you to.

In SWG I  can decorate a house and label it a museum. Can I do that in WoW or other linear games ? Even the linear games that do eventually give in and add housing still manage to make it a controlled lame mess (see LOTR and its no label, no free placement housing)

But see, I can make a house in eq2, and decorate it, and make it look interesting, call it the grand arena masters house.  And then show it to people.  But eq2 is still not a sandbox game.  SWG had the same limitations, you can put in so many items, into pre designed rooms/areas.  And then call it a name.  You weren't actually doing anything that extravagent.

There is no comparison. sandbox games are virtual worlds where I can live and build anything I desire. Linear games like WoW are for people who want to be entertained and have short attention spans.

Heres where you need to close your mouth and never open it again.

Sandbox are not what you are making them out to be.  

You still are limited by what developers allow you to make and build, and add to places.  There is never going to be a sandbox like second life that wasn't just third life, if you catch my meaning. Developers still are controlling your experience and your progression as you go along their chain.

but instead of kill-loot-kill-loot-kill-loot-level, you get a sell items-buy items-sell items-buy items-sell items-buy house-sell items-buy equipment-sell items. 

You still are following a linear chain of progression.  You can argue "you can go about it any way you want."  Sure you can.  Just like how i can level in wow, by grinding, doing quests, doing instances in any combination.  Whereas you can earn money by trading items, hunting monsters, doing quests, doing instances.  You can argue that since you choose how you want to earn the money, and then choose how you want to spend it, it's more indepth.

Again.  You are wrong.  You are still going along the developers path.  They put in options to earn a certain amount of cash at a certain rate.  Then they add in a set of goals to work toward and for, which are priced at a certain amount.  So you want to start up your own shop?  How is that different then using a global auction house system.  IT makes them come to you, and it has your name on it.  Is that enough for you?  It's not enough for me to say that it's drastically better off.

There are no exceptions here.  Even sandbox oblivion, you are going through dungeons, fighting predesigned monsters, for predesigned loot, to level at a predesigned rate, while doing predesigned content. 

How would there ever be a sandbox game?  The answer is, there won't unless it was never a game in the beginning, but rather just a engine that is uploaded somewhere, where players have to create their own textures models, and gameplay mechanics, and then in a dynamic online system update and create the world and content to your desire at your whim of balance.

Otherwise it's always chasing a carrot on a string.

What can you do in EVE?

Earn money.

Earn items.

Fight people.

Fight npcs.

That's it.  There is nothing beyond this.  The difference is, it doesn't tell you how to do it off hand, so it hides the fact that, that's all you are doing.  You can craft items, you can gather materials, and you can sell them.  You can fight people, you can fight npcs. that's the extent of eve.  Everything you do is for these purposes.  

And nothing you do in eve, changes anything.  So what if your corp controls a area, you still are either fighting a player/npc, earning money/items.  If anything all your actions do is slow/speed the process for others.  You aren't changing the world.

Same with housing in SWG.  What are you doing with your houses?  Storage?  Just for Decoration? A shop?  What is beyond this?  nothing. 

What do you complain about in wow?  Doing the same quests over and over?  Doing the same instances over and over?  doing the same battlegrounds over and over?

At the end of the day, all you are doing in sandbox is, your characters fastest way to earn money over and over.  Fighting in certain areas over and over.  Doing some pve content over and over. 

Each with their own rewards for that genre.  For wow you get items, experience, and money.  In a sandbox you get ?exp? items and money.  You use that money to progress your character in both games, weither you get/buy a new sword.  Or you increase your houses size.

It's still a progression ladder, eventually in a sandbox, you'll have everything you can really buy, you will have the best crafted gear, and just like wow, you'll wind up just doing pvp and the like over and over.  If items drop then you just spend the money you earn buying new items, since you won't need it for anything else at this point.

Everything has a end, everything is guided by the developers.

Man, that was a bright post. Seriously that was blinding.

Anyway I played wow for about 2 months. Didn't take me nearly as long to realise the game was crap. The only MMO I have played for release and liked was Guild Wars. I guess the main reason I kept going back was the ability to log in and just create a full level 20 character with gear just like everyone else and pvp. No need to even do any of the story line, I could just go ahead and play it.

I did play through all three story lines, some were great, some were o.k. I tried some of the pvp in other games and none of it was the same. In WoW it is all about gear and there was almost no skill involved. I guess wow was a good thing because it made me realise how much I enjoy the skill versus gear aspect of GW.

To the OP if you are looking for a game that you can just pop on create a character and compete give it a try.

Goodluck to you either way.

Ya I'm really getting sick of this style of MMo also.. thinking about going back and trying some of those F2P games that were destinctly different =)...

Lunia was different for sure ... Arcade style MMO who know they exist.. Must try.. ignore graphics and What it seems like..

Originally posted by admriker4

Do people honestly find this enjoyable ? I guess they must if 10+ million play the game. They did manage to get 2 years from me as well. Not because the game is so good but because there simply isnt any other options available.

Why cant Blizz add some features that arent 100% focused on combat ? Why not make the game more appealing to the sandbox fans ? It wouldnt take much, just add a crafter class, housing, personal vendors, and crafter item buffs (maybe give food cooking to crafters only)

I hope Fallout 3 can keep me occupied until STO, Fallen Earth, or something else similiar launches. I dont want back into the theme park. Ive done all the rides, theyre boring

Very simple answer. There aren't enough of the sandbox fans to make a difference.

People do like hack-n-slash level up with cool loot. You said so yourself in your little survey.

And there are item buffs in the game. I don't see the point of personal vendors when you can do all of it on the AH. AH is just a more convenient, better implemented version.

WOW is pretty much the optimal game for a lot of people, and the numbers show it.

People need to mix the elements of a sandbox with the elements of a themepark game.  I'll use Asheron's Call for example. (Hell even CoH would work)

In Asheron's Call.. you can go out and hunt/kill whatever monster you see.  There aren't any 'quests makers' per se, but there are quests, as well as an over arcing story line that's be going on for the past 9 years.

Now, in WoW, there is a story line, however it is not really what the quests are about.  You go from one area, to the next, to the next, until you've finished all of the 'rides' and wait in a capital city to start raiding, or you grind faction.  There is no happy medium.

To the original poster:

Games are meant to be fun.  If you aren't having fun, quit.  I've quit several games, even though my friends have said "Can you come raid with us?".. I say "Nah, I don't have fun anymore".  You are your own person. 

Originally posted by ste2000

Of course ultimately there is no point in playing MMORPG, as there is no point playing games or watching TV or listening to the music or playing football.
They are all hobbies, and they are made to enjoy the moment.

Actually, I disagree with the majority of this statement. I hope you are being sarcastic.  Incase you aren't

TV Keeps you informed

Music can help you focus

Football is a good work out

Video games.. They encourage inactivity, destroy accountability, hurt social skills... can in fact, keep you LESS informed, use TOO many senses to help you focus on one task.. I mean.. comeon..

     Clone is probably not the best choice of words when referring to these other games.....I look at a game like LoTRO and it just felt like all they did was take Tolkiens world, add a couple minor things (ie deeds), then copy the rest of the game from things that were already in WoW.......When I played LOTRO it felt just like I was continuing in WoW and not actually playing a different game.......I dont think these otehr games are really "clones" but they dont do enough things different to make themselves unique either......

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by ste2000

Of course ultimately there is no point in playing MMORPG, as there is no point playing games or watching TV or listening to the music or playing football.
They are all hobbies, and they are made to enjoy the moment.

 

Actually, I disagree with the majority of this statement. I hope you are being sarcastic.  Incase you aren't

TV Keeps you informed

Music can help you focus

Football is a good work out

Video games.. They encourage inactivity, destroy accountability, hurt social skills... can in fact, keep you LESS informed, use TOO many senses to help you focus on one task.. I mean.. comeon..

LOL .. not when you are watching The Simpsons, LOst, Heroes, Friends or the hundreds of completely non-informative shows.

You my friend sound like you need to come join a lot of us who feel like you do in DarkFall this December! That's exactly how I started to feel about the current Crop of MMO's, EQ2, WOW, LOTRO, Tabula etc.   Darkfall will be a virtual community run by the players, not a virtual theme park for groups of friends, and no levels! :)

Originally posted by IAmMMO

You my friend sound like you need to come join a lot of us who feel like you do in DarkFall this December! That's exactly how I started to feel about the current Crop of MMO's, EQ2, WOW, LOTRO, Tabula etc.   Darkfall will be a virtual community run by the players, not a virtual theme park for groups of friends, and no levels! :)

Damn hippies!!