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  User Deleted
 
10/30/08 6:01:30 PM#1

 Why are they making this an MMO instead of a single player game (kotor 3)?

 

I'm curious to see what you all think the BioWare answer to this would be.  I'm not trying to praise or denounce this game; I'm just asking a simple question that I'd like to see this particular community's outlook on.

  Midnitte

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10/30/08 6:03:19 PM#2

They probably feel like they should bring KOTOR to the next level, though I want another single player KOTOR as well, KOTOR 2 did no justice to KOTOR 1.

  Abrahmm

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10/30/08 6:09:16 PM#3

I can tell you the number one reason. A KotOR MMO will make more money than KotOR 3.

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  Karahandras

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10/30/08 6:53:49 PM#4

You don't get monthly subs from a single player game

  Coralis

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10/30/08 6:57:03 PM#5

 An interesting question that every MMO dev-team should ask:   is the game fun , comes to my mind first

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10/30/08 7:23:52 PM#6
Originally posted by demalus

 Why are they making this an MMO instead of a single player game (kotor 3)?


 

Probably because LEC wants a SW MMO.  If LEC wanted a single player RPG, they'd make that instead.

Karahandras also has a very good point - MMOs yield monthly subs, single player RPGs usually don't.  Ka-ching!!

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10/30/08 9:54:48 PM#7
Originally posted by demalus

 Why are they making this an MMO instead of a single player game (kotor 3)?

 

I'm curious to see what you all think the BioWare answer to this would be.  I'm not trying to praise or denounce this game; I'm just asking a simple question that I'd like to see this particular community's outlook on.


 

In my opinion they have already answered this exact question in a recent interview. So, unless you want an answer from all 500+ folks working on it this question has been answered.

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10/30/08 10:22:04 PM#8
Originally posted by Karahandras

You don't get monthly subs from a single player game

 

  Forcan

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10/31/08 3:23:18 AM#9
Originally posted by MrArchy
Originally posted by demalus

 Why are they making this an MMO instead of a single player game (kotor 3)?


 

Probably because LEC wants a SW MMO.  If LEC wanted a single player RPG, they'd make that instead.

Karahandras also has a very good point - MMOs yield monthly subs, single player RPGs usually don't.  Ka-ching!!

 

This...

 

Basically, LEC feel that the Star Wars MMO that's on the market right now (SWG) wasn't the success they thought it should be, and with new series and things coming out, they would want to grab more attentions of the gamers. 

So they pick the studio that they think would deliver the success (since Bioware did made KOTOR great), so they are working to make sure this one is a "success".

 

Also, the subs. fee is a reason for it also.

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  Obee

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10/31/08 3:33:37 AM#10

There is a ton of money to be made on a decent Star Wars MMO.  Since there isn't a decent Star Wars MMO currently available, taken with the success of BioWare's KotOR, it makes sense that the folks at BioWare and LEC would want to try to make a ton of cash by making a decent Star Wars MMO.

At this point and time in the gaming market, MMORPGs can easily earn far more revenue than a single player game.  Both BioWare and LEC are in business to make money.  BioWare has a history of making money through making good games, while LEC has a history of making money by developing/publishing poor games with well known Lucas owned IPs.  Between the two companies and their divergent philosophies, there is a very good possibility that their upcoming Star Wars MMO will be a decent game.  Both companies would be much better off if the folks at LEC never commented on the game ever again, since the folks at the Lucas companies are good at promoting events, but horrible at promoting good games.

 

 

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10/31/08 9:25:06 AM#11

 No, they haven't answered that question without using vague buzz-phrases like "the next level".  If I'm incorrect, please let me know.

 

So, non of you can think of a non-monetary reason for this decision?

  musicmann

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10/31/08 9:31:57 AM#12

They already answered the question. They said this mmo will be KOTOR 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. The game has 12 full time writer's and more content than all Bioware games put togeither, plus their expansions.

while the second KOTOR left many questions unanswered. I think it would be best to let that story end where it ended, and just look forward to what this new mmo will bring.

 

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10/31/08 9:35:48 AM#13

 I don't think that answers the quesiton at all.  Amount of content does not constitute why a game is an MMO instead of a single-player game.

  achesoma

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10/31/08 12:45:12 PM#14
Originally posted by demalus

 No, they haven't answered that question without using vague buzz-phrases like "the next level".  If I'm incorrect, please let me know.

 

So, non of you can think of a non-monetary reason for this decision?


 

The only other non-monetary reason is that Bioware has been wanting to get into the MMO for several years now.  According to them, they have been studying other MMOs and the market.  They were just waiting for the right moment with the right title.  They wanted to take advantage of the SW IP since SOE failed with it.  They have been working on this game since December of 2005.  Can you remember what happened the previous month? 

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10/31/08 2:10:03 PM#15

 OK, you are giving pretty poor reasons.  It is also possible that I have phrased my question incorrectly.

Why should this game be an MMO instead of a single player game?  What does making it an MMO add?

 

Now, obviously MMOs make more money (which has interesting implications, no?), and they obviously wanted to make an MMO.  Those two reasons don't explain why this game is an MMO instead of a single player game.

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10/31/08 2:25:36 PM#16
Originally posted by demalus

 OK, you are giving pretty poor reasons.  It is also possible that I have phrased my question incorrectly.

Why should this game be an MMO instead of a single player game?  What does making it an MMO add?

 

Now, obviously MMOs make more money (which has interesting implications, no?), and they obviously wanted to make an MMO.  Those two reasons don't explain why this game is an MMO instead of a single player game.

 

Because it's THEIR game and they feel like making it a MMO instead of a single player game, how's that?

They don't need to answer this question because this is their choice, not yours or mine.

 

According to Bioware, they feel that the MMO genre is lacking good story-driven content (and no, the quests in many games, although has stories, means nothing in driving the story), hence they wish to make one.  Does this answer your question now?

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  musicmann

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10/31/08 2:26:38 PM#17
Originally posted by demalus

 OK, you are giving pretty poor reasons.  It is also possible that I have phrased my question incorrectly.

Why should this game be an MMO instead of a single player game?  What does making it an MMO add?

 

Now, obviously MMOs make more money (which has interesting implications, no?), and they obviously wanted to make an MMO.  Those two reasons don't explain why this game is an MMO instead of a single player game.


 

Dude, not to be rude or anything, but your question is pointless. The reason it is being made an mmo and not  KOTOR 3, is because that's what they want to do and they can.  Why sit around and rack your brain on this.

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10/31/08 2:29:32 PM#18
Originally posted by demalus

 OK, you are giving pretty poor reasons.  It is also possible that I have phrased my question incorrectly.

Why should this game be an MMO instead of a single player game?  What does making it an MMO add?

 

Now, obviously MMOs make more money (which has interesting implications, no?), and they obviously wanted to make an MMO.  Those two reasons don't explain why this game is an MMO instead of a single player game.

 

plain and simple, 4 reasons

a) because many people wanted a KOTOR MMO (it's been talked about since 2004)

b) because BioWare wanted to do an MMO

c) because SWG failed to draw in as many people as Lucas Arts thinks Star Wars is capable of drawing in, and they wanted another shot.

4) MMOs have a bigger draw over a longer period of time than single player games.


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  User Deleted
 
10/31/08 2:33:07 PM#19

 What I'm trying to get at is that this isn't really an MMO.  It's a single player game that's made to make some more money that borders on the side of consumer manipulation.  If you honestly thought I was really trying to ask that question, get off of your high and mighty horse.  Notice how not one person named ONE single MMO element.

  Terranah

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10/31/08 2:36:08 PM#20

That sell you the game box plus monthly subs.

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