Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Part of it I think stems from how the treated people and how they did buisness. The lied, lied, denied, lied and denied some more. They intentionaly did things that were a bit deceptive intentionaly. I mean they promoted and hyped DX10 for a good while and suddenly days before launch they said there would be no DX10. The problem here is they did it in enough time and in such a way they could say they never meant to decieve us but the problem is people can clearly see they did. They intetnionaly tried to decieve many over and over and over. This was a prime example of big buisness only carring about money and not giving a rats arse about there customer.

While I don't really want to see them fail I would smile if they did. Karma at work lol.

 

Enough time? Are you talking about DX10? If I'm not wrong they announced it like 2 or 3 days before launch. You call that "enough time"?

They knew DX10 was not going to be in lauch MONTHS before, but choose not to tell us so they could sell more pre-orders. Very dishonest way of doing business. But like you said, karma at work.

Karma is a bitter viscious mistress and she like to take along those that sell of their morals to gain a title among other things so there a few poeple here and over at the AOC forums and may be paddling up a well known creek one of these days :)

Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by gracefield

I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.

A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.

 

Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.

We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.

Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?

It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.

I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.

Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot...

What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to  come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income.

I'm sorry if you think that's 'dumbass logic'...

Originally posted by gracefield

Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by gracefield

I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.

A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.

 

Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.

We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.

Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?

It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.

I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.

 

Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot...

What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to  come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income.

I'm sorry if you think that's 'dumbass logic'...

Funcom only has 300 employees.  Most of them are probably typical office type people who will find other jobs (accontants, secretarys, human resources etc).  The server tech guys will also not have a problem finding a job.    Only the handful of devs will have a hard time finding something else.    EE probably also might want to leave this one off the ole resume'.

Originally posted by gracefield

Forgive me, it's late on a Saturday night and I've had a few jars, I don't mean to be rude, really, I don't, but somewhere, there's a village missing an idiot...

What I'm saying is that bad games are bad games - don't buy them - but have the common decency not to  come on here and revel in the idea that a large company might go out of business, leaving numerous families with no income.

I'm sorry if you think that's 'dumbass logic'...

Lol..

You make it sound like they have to live on the street with no food or shelter . You do know we are talking about Norway here, right? Like Azrile said above, most of them will find a new job and those that don't, will get handled by social security so we can all sleep our nights in peace knowing that "random ex-FC dev number 24" will have enough money to feed his starving baby.

If you want to see some real tragedy and families in real trouble, you should look somewhere else than in a Norwegian game development company. I suggest traveling and seeing the world outside your little bubble.

But if you still want to help, maybe you can start a "Feed starving ex-FC employees" fund? If you do that, I'll promise to donate 10 euros, maybe even more

Just like all those 100's of Vanguard haters on these forums said it was going to be gone after a few more months after release...they was right! oh wait...no they was idiots. Most people spewing forth this nonsense are likely teens who are just looking to rile people up.

It really doesn't take many people to keep running a game...DAOC and Anarchy Online are proof of that.

Originally posted by Noktaris

Just like all those 100's of Vanguard haters on these forums said it was going to be gone after a few more months after release...they was right! oh wait...no they was idiots. Most people spewing forth this nonsense are likely teens who are just looking to rile people up.

 

It really doesn't take many people to keep running a game...DAOC and Anarchy Online are proof of that.

I also believe AoC is not going to "die". Most likely scenario in my mind is where FC goes bankrupt, sells AoC, and some other company milks it 4-5 years as a niche game with a skeleton crew.

Originally posted by Noktaris

Just like all those 100's of Vanguard haters on these forums said it was going to be gone after a few more months after release...they was right! oh wait...no they was idiots. Most people spewing forth this nonsense are likely teens who are just looking to rile people up.

 

It really doesn't take many people to keep running a game...DAOC and Anarchy Online are proof of that.

There really is a big difference between DAOC, AO and vangaurd from games like WOW, LOTRO and EVE.

It's called a development team.

Yes, if you are happy paying $15/month for a game that never adds anything to the game, then I'm sure for the next few years there will be someone who keeps AOC online for you.

Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by gracefield

I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.

A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.

 

Haha, I've heard this funny argument couple of times before.

We should keep subscribing to AoC because if we don't, devs and their families will die of starvation? Omg I can see this image of a dev holding a dead baby in his hands.

Using this dumbass logic we should give money to EVERYONE. Every crappy MMO ever produced had many devs with families behind it. What about them?

It really sucks for FC devs going down with the ship, nobody here wants them to suffer, but that's how the system works. Companies who put out bad products will go out of business. Supply and demand. Simple as that. Otherwise we as customers would get crap like AoC at launch every time.

I am guessing you are really young and don't understand how real world works. I cannot blame you, your intension are good but we are not living in a perfect world where everyone is happy and nobody is fired.

You missed his point entirely... perhaps English isn't your first language. He wasn't saying that people should support bad products just because there are families who will suffer if we don't. He just feels that the level of manic glee expressed on this forum for this inevitable suffering (as a result of Funcom's potential collapse) is a little inappropriate.

Myself I just find it creepy... the hugely disproportionate rage that gamers seem to vent when something like this happens (just like the SWG debacle) is pretty ridiculous, as though Funcom employees had broken into your house and eaten your babies rather than just lying about how broken their computer game was going to be on release.

Get some perspective. You're not saving the world here.

Originally posted by gracefield

I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.

A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.

Anyone else find this reminiscent  of the scene in 'Clerks' where they are discussing "the innocent contractors who were killed when the rebels blew up the uncompleted Death Star". I think the contractor who chimed in at the end had a valid point.

More than one MMORPG.com member / user worked for FC on AO and than AOC and quit early on because of how the show was being run.

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by gracefield

I don't know now this got so far off beam, but the point I was trying to make was simply that all these people who rant on forums about wanting to see companies go bust, sometimes forget that they have crossed from games into RL and that real families will suffer when companies go bust.

A bad game is a bad game, I know that, and no-one should be expected to pay for rubbish. I just think that delighting in the notion of someone else's financial hardship is a bit much.

 

Anyone else find this reminiscent  of the scene in 'Clerks' where they are discussing "the innocent contractors who were killed when the rebels blew up the uncompleted Death Star". I think the contractor who chimed in at the end had a valid point.

More than one MMORPG.com member / user worked for FC on AO and than AOC and quit early on because of how the show was being run.

Actually I was thinking of a scene from the West Wing where the President was told that a certain building was being bombed at night so at to limit the loss of life.  He said "tell that to the janitors working third shift".

In any event, I really think the only people who will have a hard time getting a job are the developers.  The server stuff was actually done well (no major downtimes etc).   And I think most of us can agree it would be a blessing to gamers everywhere if the developers of AOC find a new line of work.

Originally posted by Azrile

 

Actually I was thinking of a scene from the West Wing where the President was told that a certain building was being bombed at night so at to limit the loss of life.  He said "tell that to the janitors working third shift".

In any event, I really think the only people who will have a hard time getting a job are the developers.  The server stuff was actually done well (no major downtimes etc).   And I think most of us can agree it would be a blessing to gamers everywhere if the developers of AOC find a new line of work.

They would do well in marketing...

They did so well in uber-hyping AoC before release and slathering all the Forum sites with marketing fans. You don't have to know much to be in advertising and you don't have to actually produce anything.

Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Part of it I think stems from how the treated people and how they did buisness. The lied, lied, denied, lied and denied some more. They intentionaly did things that were a bit deceptive intentionaly. I mean they promoted and hyped DX10 for a good while and suddenly days before launch they said there would be no DX10. The problem here is they did it in enough time and in such a way they could say they never meant to decieve us but the problem is people can clearly see they did. They intetnionaly tried to decieve many over and over and over. This was a prime example of big buisness only carring about money and not giving a rats arse about there customer.

While I don't really want to see them fail I would smile if they did. Karma at work lol.

 

Enough time? Are you talking about DX10? If I'm not wrong they announced it like 2 or 3 days before launch. You call that "enough time"?

They knew DX10 was not going to be in lauch MONTHS before, but choose not to tell us so they could sell more pre-orders. Very dishonest way of doing business. But like you said, karma at work.

I agree they were being dishonest lol don't get me wrong on that. I was merely saying they attempted to go the plausible deniability route. This was in fact very dishonest but it was done in an attempt to come out of it without looking dishonest. This was in deed very shady and most of us see it for what it was.

I am in no way claiming it was right in fact I was stating the opposite.

The sky isn't "falling", it FELL months ago.  Age of Conan had its change to make a mark and it missed horribly.