Originally posted by CobraSolidus

Originally posted by Manestream

Originally posted by DrSpanky

Well, I think the game is dull, but that's me. I could care less if the game got a 10/10 or a 1/10...even if it was a game I liked because in the end, the only opinion  about a game that matters is mine.

 

Well said. Though thesedays i do wait for player reviews to come out now about games. A 4 person applauding the game and 40 cursing the game says to me loud and clearly, to stay away from it, at this moment in time, take another look 6-12mths down the line, if its still got the same feedback from whatever players are left (or low server populations then that also says the same thing, stay away from it.

 

Yes make sure we all stay away from the game because ManeStream has consolidated the number of negative MMO posts versus the number of possitive MMO posts. I challenge you ManeStream, round up a list over all people that have played AoC after 17th of Sep and see how many that are willing to paint you that doom Picaso you so badly crave. I am very sure you by fare will get most + reviews. Finally when you run your 4 vs 40 thing, does Lumache, Orzo, Cuda69 or any of those other 20 MMORPG personalities which that crazy AoC hater post count as one poster or as +20? If not, I think you need to reconsidder your method. In my opinion, the best thing to do, is to find people that currently play the game and get their opinion based on real play. It's just going to be another opinion, but it is ten times better than what you suggest.

hmmm, yes but were in my post did i say this was the only site i look up information about the game? I actually go to 2 other places besides here, i also speak to people who are playing the game (only 2 are left playing it, but only very rarely) and they have both said not to get it yet. Just using 1 information site is stupid as yes, you can only get a slight picture of the game and yes there are idiots out there that like to create umpteen accounts to spam bad stuff on the same forum, why i dont know, for me 1 is enough. This is for AoC.

As far as warhammer goes, everyone is saying to go for the US version, its running good, its got good support, and the game is doing well, unfortunatly, the EU version is a very very poor job and is a failure. LOL but that has come as no surprise to me anyways. I have 4 friends in the game (there was 9 but 5 have left) 2 are leaving once their gametime has run out, 1 is undecided what he is going to do, and the other is going to see how he can get onto the US servers instead.

The information is there that can give you a damn good idea of how games are and how they are being run, i am sorry but at a 4-1 ratio (or worse) of poor feedback you have to go with that. I bought 2 or 3 games myself and didnt listen to poor feedback and wish i had, nowe before i purchase a game i look for information, i aint going to be screwed over any bloody more by companies that want to make a buck on a substandard game that doesnt give what they had offered (vanguard was the last one and really did it for me) as half the stuff in the manual hadent even been implemented into the game and half of what was didnt work or was bugged. 3out of 5 quests were broken/bugged too and i really felt as if i had been con'ed into purchasing that one, i had been warned prier to my purchase and i just didnt listen, now i do and if games are not at least 70/30 for it i wont bother, i wont disguard it permantly i will just hunt out info 6-12 mths down the line, thats more than enough time for it to improve, if it hasnt then it gets disguarded permantly.

That is why i am still playing WoW, old game=yes, boring game i would have to say yes, community i would have to say poor attitudes, friends i have and find i have to say good, i have met several really good people there, but only about 5 are left and 1 (possible 2) of these may be leaving for warhammer (US side if they can, see above). At least we still stay in contact via MSN for news on mmo's they are playing.

So please again, tell me where in my 1st statement i said i only look here? Were also did i tell you to stay away from the game, i did say I, and not you, i also said wait 6-12mths as well and then hunt out feedback, but you neglected to read that bit also.

PezzBomb, the new Patch with Ymirs content get easily a 9/10 from me. The rest of the game is still 8/10 for me, but as I said the new content is 9/10. Great work from Funcoms side.

I just started AoC and give it a 8/10 so fare.

Pezz, your review is getting old. Perhaps you should make another one? Have you been to Ymirs Pass?

Originally posted by Transporter

Pezz, your review is getting old. Perhaps you should make another one? Have you been to Ymirs Pass?

I am not posting in these forums any more. I'm over in AoC's forum most of the time.

Latest highlights though: I just crafted myself a new helm with a purple horn arrangement. Look like a punker lol. Kind of cool.

I have been over in Ymirs Pass.  FC really just made a good game better in that area. So unbelivably well made.

Originally posted by PezzBomb

 

I am not posting in these forums any more. I'm over in AoC's forum most of the time.

 

Well that's a blatant lie if i ever read one.

Ok, who dig this old flame war thread up?

Originally posted by ScamMan

I just started AoC and give it a 8/10 so fare.

Really? After a month and a half of slamming WAR ( I checked your post history), now you are drinking the AoC Kool-Aid? You spam the WAR boards with the putrid nerd reject rhetoric that has shaped your life as if you opion in this world means anything .  You are yet another shill being paid to spam these forums with absolute garbage.

Did I mention that you have a screen name of "ScamMan".  What a pathetic human being.

 A 10/10? The only features they had that set it apart from WoW never made it to launch. The epic 100vs100 battles aren't possible, in PvP wasn't even in at release. 

PvP, city building, drunken brawling, spell weaving, were all lies.

8 directional combat was also taken out before the WoW kiddie beta testers couldn't handle something that was actually complex. Every zone is instanced and capped at 50 players. The road in each zone is linear, you can't climb those mountains that they keep showing you standing on in the videos, end game is almost identical to EQ and WoW. (it was old in EQ guys) and finally, the forums are a police state where you can't even report bugs/the developers and mods are probably the worst I've ever seen in a game. 

Originally posted by SignusM

 A 10/10? The only features they had that set it apart from WoW never made it to launch. The epic 100vs100 battles aren't possible, in PvP wasn't even in at release. 

PvP, city building, drunken brawling, spell weaving, were all lies.

8 directional combat was also taken out before the WoW kiddie beta testers couldn't handle something that was actually complex. Every zone is instanced and capped at 50 players. The road in each zone is linear, you can't climb those mountains that they keep showing you standing on in the videos, end game is almost identical to EQ and WoW. (it was old in EQ guys) and finally, the forums are a police state where you can't even report bugs/the developers and mods are probably the worst I've ever seen in a game. 

Just to let you know,  (seems like you have not played the game) you can have more than 50 ppl per zone (I did post video proof before) Spell Weaving is in (bugged to start, but in and pretty good in some situations now) I was there when guild city was built :) I can climb many mountains right to the top. PvP?

Is this another 5 mins of play 5 months ago who didn't get the memo about cut features prior to release?

Dis-information at it's finest..

And NO imo the game is not a 10/10, but at least the votes on this site put it above the poor review of the game. 

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by SignusM

 A 10/10? The only features they had that set it apart from WoW never made it to launch. The epic 100vs100 battles aren't possible, in PvP wasn't even in at release. 

PvP, city building, drunken brawling, spell weaving, were all lies.

8 directional combat was also taken out before the WoW kiddie beta testers couldn't handle something that was actually complex. Every zone is instanced and capped at 50 players. The road in each zone is linear, you can't climb those mountains that they keep showing you standing on in the videos, end game is almost identical to EQ and WoW. (it was old in EQ guys) and finally, the forums are a police state where you can't even report bugs/the developers and mods are probably the worst I've ever seen in a game. 

 

Just to let you know,  (seems like you have not played the game) you can have more than 50 ppl per zone (I did post video proof before) Spell Weaving is in (bugged to start, but in and pretty good in some situations now) I was there when guild city was built :) I can climb many mountains right to the top. PvP?

Is this another 5 mins of play 5 months ago who didn't get the memo about cut features prior to release?

Dis-information at it's finest..

And NO imo the game is not a 10/10, but at least the votes on this site put it above the poor review of the game. 

What SignusM says makes sense actually.

100vs100 - lol

PvP - Nothing like they promised. Imo boring button smashing with little or no skill required.

city building - Cities are boring dead places. Good indicator of how unfinished AoC is. Building them is superboring grind.

drunken brawling - Didn't make it in launch and never will. They scrapped the whole idea.

spell weaving - Total joke. Useless in pvp and almost useless and boring in pve.

I recommend everyone to read the Eurogamer review. It's couple of months old but still spot on and they gave AoC 6/10.

Originally posted by Scaredgirl

 

 

I recommend everyone to read the Eurogamer review. It's couple of months old but still spot on and they gave AoC 6/10.

Yes I recommend everyone read the NEW EUROGAMER ARTICLE:

"Crushing your enemies and driving them before you is superb fun in Age of Conan. With a little more work, PVP could easily be what redeems Age of Conan in gamers' eyes."

All 3 pages of it:  http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=310223 

Again 5 mins of play 5 months ago is nothing to bring to the table and holds little weight these days, you seem a very confused person, one might think MPD?...

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 Again 5 mins of play 5 months ago is nothing to bring to the table and holds little weight these days ...

That '5 mins 5 months ago', sound bite you love throwing around is super dismissive. (Even if Craig Morrison likes to use it as well)

Many of us played to end game and have seen all the patch notes, we know where the game stands, it is more stable, and some of the missing content has been added. But. it hasn't changed as radically as you would like to suggest..

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 Again 5 mins of play 5 months ago is nothing to bring to the table and holds little weight these days ...

 

That '5 mins 5 months ago', sound bite you love throwing around is super dismissive. (Even if Craig Morrison likes to use it as well)

Many of us played to end game and have seen all the patch notes, we know where the game stands, it is more stable, and some of the missing content has been added. But. it hasn't changed as radically as you would like to suggest..

When was the last time you played? August? Sure the game has changed, yes not as radically as you think, that I think! Simple fact is that changes have been implemented, the biggest free update ever just went in and several essential updates are imminent. Those people with a couple hundred posts with nothing good to say about AoC have to wake up and eat the cornflakes and at least acknowledge that the game is going in the right direction and tangible evidence is in game right now, instead of spewing the same stuff over and over. There is a difference from seeing patch notes and playing - ultimately I don't care if people who hate the game come back, there is a factual difference in the approach that information is talked about from those still playing. I don't need to convince anyone, it's the haters that need to convince new people not to bother. Where as I can say play the game it speaks for itself, whatever you feeling on the game either way is ok, but I can recommend it, just like with any other product I like and feel ok with that.

About respect. I can honestly respect your decision to be cautious and the game might not be exactly what you like. Thats alright, nothing wrong with that. There are many of us out there that do enjoy the game though and play regularly. It's obvious for those players to see the differences from day 1 to present some massive differences that have happened, but then you need to be specific in order to get a proper reply.

Maybe Craig read some comments on here - or maybe it is just the general conclusion that seems to hold weight in 99% of one line AoC is shit statements and so wrong for basing that assumption 6 months ago on the game where as it is widely accepted in the community (the same one your active in) that it has changed for the better. Amongst all the hate, AoC ruined my life, AoC gave me impotence, AoC broke me and my girlfriend up, AoC made me do drugs and whatever crappy end of the earth comments people want to bring up it's just a video game, not the saviour of the universe, it had a rough launch and now it's getting better and that is something some people who rather not admit to because AoC some how impaired their judgement from their experience with the game and turned them into a hate parade half a year on saying the same tired responses. It's all around us here, out dated, out of fashion, and some are in need of help..

Simple fact is the hype is over, the dust has settled, the game is not a 10/10 never will be and any other game out there should never get a 10 either. What ever level you put AoC at, it is getting better and that is what upsets some here so much.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 Again 5 mins of play 5 months ago is nothing to bring to the table and holds little weight these days ...

 

That '5 mins 5 months ago', sound bite you love throwing around is super dismissive. (Even if Craig Morrison likes to use it as well)

Many of us played to end game and have seen all the patch notes, we know where the game stands, it is more stable, and some of the missing content has been added. But. it hasn't changed as radically as you would like to suggest..

 

When was the last time you played? August? Sure the game has changed, yes not as radically as you think, that I think! Simple fact is that changes have been implemented, the biggest free update ever just went in and several essential updates are imminent. Those people with a couple hundred posts with nothing good to say about AoC have to wake up and eat the cornflakes and at least acknowledge that the game is going in the right direction and tangible evidence is in game right now, instead of spewing the same stuff over and over. There is a difference from seeing patch notes and playing - ultimately I don't care if people who hate the game come back, there is a factual difference in the approach that information is talked about from those still playing. I don't need to convince anyone, it's the haters that need to convince new people not to bother. Where as I can say play the game it speaks for itself, whatever you feeling on the game either way is ok, but I can recommend it, just like with any other product I like and feel ok with that.

About respect. I can honestly respect your decision to be cautious and the game might not be exactly what you like. Thats alright, nothing wrong with that. There are many of us out there that do enjoy the game though and play regularly. It's obvious for those players to see the differences from day 1 to present some massive differences that have happened, but then you need to be specific in order to get a proper reply.

Maybe Craig read some comments on here - or maybe it is just the general conclusion that seems to hold weight in 99% of one line AoC is shit statements and so wrong for basing that assumption 6 months ago on the game where as it is widely accepted in the community (the same one your active in) that it has changed for the better. Amongst all the hate, AoC ruined my life, AoC gave me impotence, AoC broke me and my girlfriend up, AoC made me do drugs and whatever crappy end of the earth comments people want to bring up it's just a video game, not the saviour of the universe, it had a rough launch and now it's getting better and that is something some people who rather not admit to because AoC some how impaired their judgement from their experience with the game and turned them into a hate parade half a year on saying the same tired responses. It's all around us here, out dated, out of fashion, and some are in need of help..

Simple fact is the hype is over, the dust has settled, the game is not a 10/10 never will be and any other game out there should never get a 10 either. What ever level you put AoC at, it is getting better and that is what upsets some here so much.

This wall of text seems to say otherwise.

I thought I had been paying attention pretty well, I don't think I have ever seen a single one of those statements made here.

Try laying off the hyperbole if you want to be taken seriously. 5mins/5months thing is a perfect example of that

I think a lot of the perpetually regurgitated backlash you see here on these forums is directly caused by a certain poster(s) that members feel is coming here to do 'viral marketing' (their words, not mine). 

People tend to 'fight fire with fire'. If you want these forums to be a less polarized place maybe you can use your IN with MMORPG.com and ask the mods to close out the many obvious multi-account-agenda-zealots who are basically making a mockery of this forums intended function.

I am sure you are aware of whom I am refering to. If these people were permanently removed from the boards, this would instantly become a much gentler, kinder place.

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Originally posted by Unfinished

 

I think a lot of the perpetually regurgitated backlash you see here on these forums is directly caused by a certain poster(s) that members feel is coming here to do 'viral marketing' (their words, not mine). 

People tend to 'fight fire with fire'. If you want these forums to be a less polarized place maybe you can use your IN with MMORPG.com and ask the mods to close out the many obvious multi-account-agenda-zealots who are basically making a mockery of this forums intended function.

I am sure you are aware of whom I am refering to. If these people were permanently removed from the boards, this would instantly become a much gentler, kinder place.

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I would encourage you to do the same, i have already emailed community@mmorpg.com a few times with very thorough examples and evidence with yet they have acted on, supplemented by further PM's from people pointing out certain things. Game conversation aside, this is screwing these forums up to no end and those people know who they are. It eschews the real context of topics when 20% of the posts in them are from the same person under different names. Such as this thread gives such extremes both ways.

Btw those statements are extreme sarcasm, but it's true I don't need to convince anyone, it's the opinion I have from my own concurrent experiences in game. Take a look at Straddens post here:  www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/212780 you can just imagine the types of posts to follow if someting like that was posted here.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 Yes I recommend everyone read the NEW EUROGAMER ARTICLE:

"Crushing your enemies and driving them before you is superb fun in Age of Conan. With a little more work, PVP could easily be what redeems Age of Conan in gamers' eyes."

All 3 pages of it:  http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=310223 

Again 5 mins of play 5 months ago is nothing to bring to the table and holds little weight these days, you seem a very confused person, one might think MPD?...

This article you talk about is only about pvp and it was actually written by the same guy. Here is what he says in the end:

"As we approach the half-year point, Conan's PVP systems remain far from perfect, and some features (like Drunken Brawling, a just-for-fun PVP mode which would allow players of all levels to compete with one another on equal standing) haven't made it in as yet."

"Yet many of the improvements required are more basic - more variety in the mini-games, a rethink of some World PVP consequences, and a further round of bug fixes on Sieges would all do wonders for the game."

So he's saying FC still has a lot of work to do regarding pvp. Personally the lack of meaningful endgame pvp made me quit the game.

What I was talking about earlier was the Eurogamer Age of Conan re-review (like I said, written by the same guy). You can find it here:
www.eurogamer.net/article.php

He gave AoC 6/10 and it's a good review imo. And what I've seen here on the forums, most people agree.

Most people voted it over a 7 here:

And it has bee rising the past few weeks. What does that tell you.

Metacritic gives it 8/10. Pick your favourite media review and go with that - what ever makes the reader happy.

These are facts and not broad sweeping statements that are not accurate -  hence the guy who wrote the Eurogamer review failed to research properly that Drunken Brawling was canned, finito, gone... end of story.

All I see is people clinging on to outdated information that barely has any reference any more. Even the review here was wrote at a time before genuine game improving features and additions were added in.

And I am sorry but I hold the opinion that it is wrong for so many games on the list here to recieve higher scores like Last Chaos - it is just simply WRONG and that is what more people complained about rather than the score.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Metacritic gives it 8/10. Pick your favourite media review and go with that - what ever makes the reader happy.

These are facts and not broad sweeping statements that are not accurate -  hence the guy who wrote the Eurogamer review failed to research properly that Drunken Brawling was canned, finito, gone... end of story.

All I see is people clinging on to outdated information that barely has any reference any more. Even the review here was wrote at a time before genuine game improving features and additions were added in.

You talk about outdated information. Well, 95% of those metacritic reviews you talked about were made a long long time ago, most of them just after launch by reviewers who hadn't even finished Tortage. How does that give a good information about the situation right now?

It is a known fact that most people first like AoC but once they reach the higher levels they get bored and quit. This is the reason AoC got so good reviews after launch. It's also the reason why 85-90% of players quit the game after a couple of months. AoC is an ok game for a month or two but doesn't have that magic that keeps you coming online day after day.

I never trust user reviews like what they have on this site. They can be biased, made by shills or trolls. I believe Eurogamer Age of Conan re-review is the most recent review made by a respectable gaming site, and like I said they gave AoC 6/10.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Unfinished

 

I think a lot of the perpetually regurgitated backlash you see here on these forums is directly caused by a certain poster(s) that members feel is coming here to do 'viral marketing' (their words, not mine). 

People tend to 'fight fire with fire'. If you want these forums to be a less polarized place maybe you can use your IN with MMORPG.com and ask the mods to close out the many obvious multi-account-agenda-zealots who are basically making a mockery of this forums intended function.

I am sure you are aware of whom I am refering to. If these people were permanently removed from the boards, this would instantly become a much gentler, kinder place.

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I would encourage you to do the same, i have already emailed community@mmorpg.com a few times with very thorough examples and evidence with yet they have acted on, supplemented by further PM's from people pointing out certain things. Game conversation aside, this is screwing these forums up to no end and those people know who they are. It eschews the real context of topics when 20% of the posts in them are from the same person under different names. Such as this thread gives such extremes both ways.

Btw those statements are extreme sarcasm, but it's true I don't need to convince anyone, it's the opinion I have from my own concurrent experiences in game. Take a look at Straddens post here:  www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/212780 you can just imagine the types of posts to follow if someting like that was posted here.

Many of the users here have done just that, I personally have sent in atleast 4 e-mails in the past 2 months, some directly to Mods I have coressponded with. It seems maybe the staff don't have the proper tools to verify that the accounts are all originating from a single source. It's unfortunate, it hurts the community here as well the credibility and relavance of MMORPG.com as an entity.

A troll thread is a troll thread,  .... taking a pro or con stance matters not when folks are basically posting nonsensical rubbish (this OP) and 'nanny nanny boo-boo' to bait replies.

Folks have talked about some of the things posted here as bening 'viral marketting', it may or may not be. But the root effect is obvious. Walking into a church and loudly proclaiming "There is no God, Santa Claus told me so!" will ellicit a ton of responses  .. it's automatic.

Either way the conversation that follows is pointless, believers will believe, others will call them fools, the world keeps turning and a real discussion is once again drowned out by zealots and their screams.

I don't have to hate on the Age of Conan, I have a crystal ball,  it works perfectly because it sees backwards and history repeats itself. FunCom's attitude toward players and it's uneven policies, combined with their shoddy Customer Service turn every fan against them at some point ... I have watched it happen over and over and over during  the last 7 years.

Call it a 'water is wet, the sky is blue' thing.