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10/29/08 9:02:12 AM#61
Originally posted by mijan999
I think these two sentences are much better than the whole two pages of what Jedi Jeff wrote.
NIce writing skills, they should hire you as a reviewer on this site. ------------------------------
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10/29/08 9:52:03 AM#62
Originally posted by ardohain
this is correct. funcom never expected to be top dog in subscriptions. they were quite comfortable with the niche they would appeal to. i think they unfortunately cut an even thinner slice of pie than they intended.
funcom didn't try to appeal to a niche, personally I think that was a huge mistake. They tried to be everything to everyone, a raid pve endgame at the same time as gear doesn't matter pvp end game. I really don't understand how they didn't take on board how these 2 things don't work together. Of course they have realised that now and are going to make the game more itemcentric. Of course like the patch 3 combat changes the people left are the ones that like the non itemcentric game changeing it is risky to their current player base.. |
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10/29/08 10:10:37 AM#63
I don't think game should be more then 7.5 rated( definitely nor 6, though).And thats not based on game performances , which i have almost zero problems with, other then occasional lag spikes. But i had same spikes in other MMO's(EQ, EQ2 ...).Some are to be blamed on ISP to. Game is decent right now, i like it, but with dumbed down crafting and harvesting (idiotic like in WoW pretty much), i am not sure how much of long term playtime value will have for me.Leveling curve is to fast and i don't like that,.But i don't see why people are complaining about it since i leveled on same pace when i wasted my money for month in WoW. On the other side , gear stats being minimal ensure that you win by using your skills , and not some "overpowered " armor sets. I can see why so many young people is upset about it , since they learned to rely on extra stats and not their skills for being successful .Having to do more with combat , then spamming "magic" 3 button combo has something with it to. As for PvP part(other then dueling with friends), i am hoping to get to it after 3.0.So far i was not interested because of huge number of juveniles in it. But that's problem with most of the MMO's since DAoC(last true PvP, imho). In addition to some good players , PvP tends to attract lot of hyperactive kids today. Running in circles like madman and ganking lowbies doesn't constitutes RvR. Still , it is interesting to see how this review showed up in same time when lot of Warhammer free month subscriptions are up for renew and they are losing population in numbers. Does that mean that we can expect another very low review for AoC and/or Warhammer , when WoW expansion hits the market?
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10/29/08 1:59:40 PM#64
Originally posted by Malickie I'm basing that on the reviewers own admission when replying about his review. He said himself he was harsh on them because of the launch of the game, IMO that's not an objective stance to take when reviewing a game (months later). His score on a 1-10 ratio is fine, I've never said otherwise, it's his comments and attitude I have a problem with (Neanderthal). The second issue I have taken up with this review is the fact that at launch they gave it a decent score, now they lower it (after improvements have been made) that makes no sense to me.Where did the good score come from, considering they had such a horrible launch?
I sure wish I had seen ANYTHING about the game sucking as badly as it did at launch. The review here sang its praises. Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. |
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10/30/08 6:23:31 AM#65
Originally posted by orzo I'm basing that on the reviewers own admission when replying about his review. He said himself he was harsh on them because of the launch of the game, IMO that's not an objective stance to take when reviewing a game (months later). His score on a 1-10 ratio is fine, I've never said otherwise, it's his comments and attitude I have a problem with (Neanderthal). The second issue I have taken up with this review is the fact that at launch they gave it a decent score, now they lower it (after improvements have been made) that makes no sense to me.Where did the good score come from, considering they had such a horrible launch?
I think the explanation for the second issue is pretty simple. The initial reviews were wrong, they rated the game too high, and were most likely based off a very limited understanding of the game and its content (or lack thereof). People played the first 20 levels and wrote a review based off that. But as everyone knows by now, the first 20 levels share nothing in common with the rest of the game, quality wise. Now that people can write reviews based off a total experience, the rating is pushed down to more reasonable levels. So whether there may or may not have been improvements since release (the argument about whether any of these changes even had a noticible impact on the games quality is outside the scope of this post), it would make sense the score would be lowered. In other words, had there been a more accurate review at release, it would have rated the game a 3/10 or 4/10. The latest review with improvements rates it a 6/10. So the true rating has improved, it just hasn't improved from the 'hype' rating given the game at release (which was largely inaccurate and didn't recognize any of the games many problems at the time). Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence. |
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Distopia
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Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/30/08 6:34:31 AM#66
Originally posted by Grunties
Yeah, and to be fair it wasn't only this site who did that. Just about every site did, the average score was around an 8, that's the only reason I bought it actually (never followed the game). Most feedback even here at release was on the positive side, it took a little while for the pot to boil over.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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11/01/08 1:45:45 AM#67
Originally posted by MoLoK_
Wrong.
"Compete with WoW" doesnt have to mean "getting 12 million subs". It can simply mean "the subscribers coming to AoC will be taken from WoW player base".
Funcom stated that they were indeed going after Wow's subscribers. Thats why so many features are so strikingly similar in AoC compared to WoW. Funcoms idea with AoC was something like this:
"Lets make as many features in AoC similar to WoW as possible. With one exception - fighting. That way we will give all the WoW-refugees an easy transition over to AoC."
I call bullshit on that comment. Show me a link to where you got that. Also, every mmo is competing with each other, it doenst mean the developer is out to kill a specific MMO. YOur leap in logic fails. Show me where, they specifically said they were making a "WOW KILLER". Of course they are competing with WOW, WOW has most of the gamers, every MMO is competing with WOW, that doesnt mean Stargate is a WOW killer, thats just stupid. |
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11/01/08 1:48:48 AM#68
Originally posted by MoLoK_
For the last time. Everyone who followed the making of AoC should know that Funcom were after wow-subs. That is why they didnt make a true next gen game. Funcom chasing wow-subs does not mean that they tried to kill wow, they didnt have enough talent or money to try that...
Every MMO is after WOW subs. Duh. Now you contradict yourself, my previous reply to your post you stand firm by implying AOC was going to a WOW killer. |
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11/01/08 3:48:57 AM#69
Originally posted by Unfinished
Funny thing is I have actually done what you suggested. The site is still in "beta" so to speak since my friend and I (yes only 2 people) just started to build it about a week and ahalf ago. For all those intrested check out www.8bit-allstars.com On topic: Patch 3.0 has a bug that some, consider game breaking. Luckily, the fix for it is being tested on test live at the moment. Once it hits live, patch 3.0 will have everything it was suppose to and make AoC better. Another "problem" is that some classes have been dumbed down some. This is only an issue if the players only use skills that were debuffs of different levels. I do believe; however, that FC should add more 4 button combos (combo start + 3) back into the game for all classes. Other than that I like the difference in combat. Edit: Anyone intrested in helping with the site should e-mail me at xpiher@gmail.com
Currently playing Rift |
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11/02/08 5:18:21 PM#70
Originally posted by lugal
For the last time. Everyone who followed the making of AoC should know that Funcom were after wow-subs. That is why they didnt make a true next gen game. Funcom chasing wow-subs does not mean that they tried to kill wow, they didnt have enough talent or money to try that...
Every MMO is after WOW subs. Duh. Now you contradict yourself, my previous reply to your post you stand firm by implying AOC was going to a WOW killer.
Nah. Its just you who dont get it. And I will not watch the hype videos or read the hype interviews again just do dig up that quote for you. And really, just logging in and playing some AoC proves me right. Think and you will get it. |
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11/02/08 6:25:20 PM#71
Originally posted by MoLoK_
Every MMO is after WOW subs. Duh. Now you contradict yourself, my previous reply to your post you stand firm by implying AOC was going to a WOW killer.
Nah. Its just you who dont get it. And I will not watch the hype videos or read the hype interviews again just do dig up that quote for you. And really, just logging in and playing some AoC proves me right. Think and you will get it.
I do think and have played AoC myself. And they are 2 different games emphasizing different things and targeting different groups. I just think you are a baldfaced liar. Making up stuff as you go to prove your bias as fact. If you can quickly generate a comment like you did, then one can resonably believe you would know where you got and can go get the link even quicker. So, you lie and make up things, kudos to you. |
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11/03/08 5:31:59 AM#72
Sigh....article is...let's say that anyone who didn't play AOC up to lvl 50 and had considerable PVP experience can't judge it. Sounds like impressions from another newbie. The author didn't play it long/deep enough it seems. Assasin is as capable vs any class as any other.Armor IS importans. All classes are well balanced. Any class can beat other, it's all up to player. I don't get it. What the hell is he talking about? Social...something? Emotions? Community ? Why should it be so important if at all? About WOW/other games, blah blah... I can't, won't and could never play WOW so i can't say if it's better or worse so it's not alternative. The best thing in AOC is combat and PVP mechanics. I spent a lot of time fighting people in duels just because of how fun it is, provided both - you and your opponent are experienced PVPers. PVE is among best among MMOs and it's the only MMO with acceptable graphics\animation\sound around and of course - mature content - fighting vivid cartoonish "characters" made of boxes isn't my thing. |
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11/03/08 11:11:49 AM#73
i played beta for about 4 months. then test live, when they announced test live was the retail code, i LOL. no way was going to buy the to buy the game. i tried to warn the community about no endgame and the not being close to finish. i got flammed. oh well, thin k i got the last laugh a month later seeing the people who flammed me saying the same thing...except they spent 6o0 dollars, hahaha. |
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11/03/08 11:29:32 AM#74
I payed for this beta for about 4 months. "A new kind of Vaporware"
Score 1/10
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11/04/08 12:51:22 PM#75
disagree with the review and reviewer. IMHO current aoc players are way bellow the homo habilis, since if they had some hability they would have found the "cancel" button by now.
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arkady09
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Joined: 8/16/08
The clearest way into the universe is through a forest wilderness. -- John Muir |
11/04/08 5:36:05 PM#76
Originally posted by BearShammy
OMG you are right. I did not notice that first. It's 6 weeks since patch 2.0 came out, and here you sit end of October making up a review out of thin air based. MMORPG are you FaCking insane you can't do that!!! MMORPG and poor Stradden this just have to be so embarrasing.
About as embarrassing as losing 94% of your companies stock price after 4 months into the release of your GROUNDBREAKING MMO game? I think that aobut sums that up.
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11/05/08 5:44:51 AM#77
Originally posted by Paasikivi
lol best analogy yet
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11/21/08 11:06:56 AM#78
Originally posted by medafor You played beta for 4 months just to realize it's not your game? No wonder forums are full of ... these days. "They just keep coming " :) You get flamed because there are people who can't see what your point is. I spent 20$ to buy disk+1month. Why "endgame" is critical to this MMO? AOC is the game you play from start to finish - until there's plot, locations, characters and quests. They'll end anyway so there's always gonna be "edngame". If i stop playing once i reach it - it's no different than with any other game of such type. Unless you can loose your equipment/money, can control/own structures/territory - there's always gonna be "ENDgame". There are endless games like EVE, but it's totaly different because their "content" - economy/politics etc is created by people themselves. |
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