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10/27/08 6:37:11 AM#21
Originally posted by Thenarius
Did you know that Warhammer was made with less than one third the budget of WoW with 1 less year of production? Yet, I find WoW craptastic. How do you explain this? ----------------------------- Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies. Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either. |
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Deathstrike2
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Joined: 2/04/06
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Martin Luther King, Jr. |
10/27/08 6:40:00 AM#22
Originally posted by DuraheLL Am I hearing echoes? Blizzard never did battleground better than Arenanet, and by the looks of it they won't do RvR better than Mythic. I thought my point was clear enough
I don't know what you are hearing, but I'll tell you what I'm hearing. I'm hearing one person's opinion which happens to be different than 10 MILLION other players. Of course, I'm sure it's easier for some people to believe they are right and the whole world is wrong. How's that for clarity? LMAO!
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ronan32
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Joined: 8/19/05
I will never play an mmorpg with Microtransactions |
10/27/08 7:08:46 AM#23
Originally posted by Deathstrike2
Honestly, if that were true, people wouldn't be leaving WAR to go back to WoW (same with any other game they've been accused of copying). They didn't get 10 million players by accident. Give credit where credit is due. they didnt get 10 million players over night either. |
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10/27/08 7:12:37 AM#24
Originally posted by Deathstrike2
Sure I give them credit, hell I even had fun in WoW in the days. WoW is a game now called ----> Been there and done that in some other game.. Ok they got 10 millions subscribers, it took them 4 years to build that base of subscribers, it didnt happen overnight or in 1 month. So I give credit where credit is do for being around for 4 years.
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10/27/08 7:16:22 AM#25
Originally posted by Sailormoontw
I'm falling. I'm falling. I'm falling. I'm falling. I'm falling. Please educate me. What are the features Blizzard takes from WAR in the latest patch. Name at least one, I want to have a good laugh. |
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10/27/08 7:24:39 AM#26
Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS Life time of a game doesn't mean they will inevitably have a large subscriber base. UO has been around for a long time and has many features that people on this site seem to want, but has it reached 10m subs? SWG has been around 5 years and peaked at a few hundred thousand. I'm sure there are more that could be cited, but it's early and I think those two illustrate the point. There is more to a success story then longevity. Don't get me wrong. It seems a very vocal part of the MMORPG.com community is not WoW's target audience. However, based on the statement, one could assume that if Warhammer were around four years it would have 10m subs and there really seems to be a lot more to it then that. Regardless, I am optimistic for WAR and the more successful WAR becomes, the more likely Blizzard will evolve their game to compete. -mklinic "There's a point I think we're missing. |
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10/27/08 7:25:45 AM#27
What does Microsoft, Google, Wal Mart, Blizzard, McDonalds, the United States have in common? They are too successful. You can be successful, but if you're too successful, you attract haters. |
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10/27/08 7:27:04 AM#28
Originally posted by Steelrose
I'm falling. I'm falling. I'm falling. I'm falling. I'm falling. Please educate me. What are the features Blizzard takes from WAR in the latest patch. Name at least one, I want to have a good laugh.
How about for starters... 1. WoW --> Achievements system = WAR --> Tome of Knowledge Its fairly obvious and only a blind fan of WoW would say that Blizzard came up with this idea. Lotro had this idea first, so giving them credit there. Nothing that WoW does is original, I hate to say. They just try to make it better and enjoyable, however they fail when it comes to anything PvP. Imagine WoW with Battlekeeps and a RvR system, that would be hilarous, especially the way there game is PvE centralized. |
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10/27/08 7:29:25 AM#29
1. WoW --> Achievements system = WAR --> Tome of Knowledge
WoW --> Achievements system = WAR --> Tome of Knowledge -> = SWG -> Badge (and now Collection) System -mklinic "There's a point I think we're missing. |
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10/27/08 7:29:35 AM#30
Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS
How about for starters... 1. WoW --> Achievements system = WAR --> Tome of Knowledge Its fairly obvious and only a blind fan of WoW would say that Blizzard came up with this idea. Lotro had this idea first, so giving them credit there. Nothing that WoW does is original, I hate to say. They just try to make it better and enjoyable, however they fail when it comes to anything PvP. Imagine WoW with Battlekeeps and a RvR system, that would be hilarous, especially the way there game is PvE centralized.
Achievements system was done in Lotro as you said a year and half ago. In lotro it was a deeds system. So the idea is not taken from WAR but from Lotro. Let's see other features ... |
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10/27/08 7:37:50 AM#31
Originally posted by HiGHPLaiNS
How about for starters... 1. WoW --> Achievements system = WAR --> Tome of Knowledge Its fairly obvious and only a blind fan of WoW would say that Blizzard came up with this idea. Lotro had this idea first, so giving them credit there. Nothing that WoW does is original, I hate to say. They just try to make it better and enjoyable, however they fail when it comes to anything PvP. Imagine WoW with Battlekeeps and a RvR system, that would be hilarous, especially the way there game is PvE centralized.
Wait, so how did they copy this from WAR when LOTRO and so did it first? I can name countless things in WAR that other games did first. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets to about 99% of the game.
Daoc for one did keep sieging 8 years ago, and from what I hear they actually did it better than WAR back then. (funny since it's the same team, but then Keeps in this game were an afterthought really since they didn't start adding them till after the outburst last november when people said ORvR was highly dissatisfactory) ToK= basically achievements system frommany other games + bestiary which is in many other games + stat gathering which is in even more countless games.
Etc Etc. You can trace most of every current games back to other games really.
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talismen351
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Joined: 11/01/07
"Easy" only equals "better" for crack addicts and MMORPG developers. |
10/27/08 7:42:44 AM#32
Originally posted by Xtort
Someone translate this to me. I haven't seen such a terrible message for a long time (besides the obvious trolls) in any forums.
Impossible to translate. WarOnCrack was obviously doin some crack when he wrote this. And showing off his american geography hard at work. As the only Robin of Locksley I can think of is Robin Hood...which is not Canadian, but England...far far away from Canada.
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10/27/08 8:22:50 AM#33
Originally posted by Thenarius
I agree. First off the Tome of Knowledge in WAR isn't new. LOTRO had the Deed log and we can go back all the way to EQ1. Every MMO has his form of progression log. LOTRO went quite a bit further with the Deed log, then WAR came with the ToK and now Blizzard patched in their version. Problem with WAR atm and why it's really losing many subs is because this game is more Scenarios Online then that this game has anything what DAoC had. Performance is so bad, that the game can't handle more then 2 full warbands on the RvR lake, before turning it into a slide show with warping and flying people all over the place. Ghosting images of players and NPC's everywhere. And horrible casting delays. And even worse... lagging the whole server for everyone when a largescale RvR is going on (even noticable in scenarios who become more laggy). Their whole netcode is screwed up and for Mythic's sake I hope they get it sorted sooner then later. Cheers |
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naldric
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Joined: 10/01/02
If anything is worth doing, do it with all your heart. (The Dhammapada, Buddha) |
10/27/08 11:20:25 AM#34
oh come on.... LOTR didnt invent anything, they just took it from the badge system in City of Heroes.... i guess we will get pretty far in time continuing like this haha |
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10/27/08 12:55:33 PM#35
Originally posted by naldric
Yes that's right, I completely forgot about the CoH. And definetly there was something like this in AC2. Well that's what Im talking about. Blizzard is not stealing any ideas from WAR. They see what is popular and might improve their game and they will do it. Noone claims blizzard is doing games with original content (let's be honest, not even polished, ...their marketing is fantastic tho) |
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10/27/08 1:24:35 PM#36
Not one of these types of threads again... World of Warcraft is a game that takes idea's from other games period. There is nothing original about World of Warcraft. There is even talk of them implementing a Public Quest system now which WAR came out with. They even stated in interviews that they have gamers trying different mmorpg's and taking the good ideas and implementing into their game. In the real world we call people like this Biters, but hey, they are making a profift, so who gives a shit. More money in their pocket. Simple and to the truth, if your a Trek fan, Blizzard is the BORG of mmorpgs! They assimilate and add to their collective and call it something else. For originality, I give World of Warcraft a low 10 out of a 100, but grading on the fun factor people are looking for in a mmorpg now, I would say a 90. Me, the game has gone to shit since the burning crusade, resilence add to gear / weapons, open world pvp sucks and the arena's killed the game for me. WoW is crap fest now of over powered players which makes there arena's garbage and bg's just torture to play. Unless you play wow, just for the PvE instances, dance in front of your friends naked, get your haircut in game and spam selling gold for $$$. |
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WarOnCrack
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Joined: 10/26/08
Hunt you down with no mercy, Hunt you down all nightmare long. |
10/28/08 3:07:42 PM#37
Originally posted by Xtort
Someone translate this to me. I haven't seen such a terrible message for a long time (besides the obvious trolls) in any forums.
Ok... I was a little tired when I read this thread, and it ennerved me so that I lost a bit of grammer. Basically it is supposed to be a pun about a Canadian Robin Hood who takes from WoW and gives to War. Blizzard is a big company and so is EA, therein lies the fundamental problem of Robin Hood taking from big and giving to big. I did go a bit overboard making fun of his grammer with my own shitty response. That help a little? Chaos Skullthrone |
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10/28/08 3:15:20 PM#38
Ok let's get this straight.
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10/28/08 3:28:00 PM#39
Racial hate's a big no-no when it comes to MMO's. |
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10/28/08 4:17:43 PM#40
Originally posted by ste2000
Some people just don't get that part. People keep blaming the failures of so many companies on the success of one.
The way people around here talk you would think Blizzard walked into the design studios of other companies and told them what they can and cannot do.
P.S. To the original poster.... Umm what exaclty are the features of WoWs latest patch that are directly taken from Warhammer? The book of achievements is very much inspired by LOTRO book of deeds, just as Warhammers tome of knowledge is. Other than that, I don't see anything, but I could be missing all these things you say are there. Care to list them? |
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