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  ZtyX

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Joined: 12/09/05
Posts: 422

 
OP  10/26/08 6:53:30 AM#1

It has been a common misconception of the truth that the lawsuit won by mr. Virncent Pourrieux earlier this year meant anything for the problems between Np3Cube and mr. Vinctent Pourrieusx

 

The truth is that the lawsuit was insignificant. I am really sad to see so many forum members use this court decision as their argument for making Np3Cube look bad on Dark and Light project. I refer to my other posts for my take on this situation.

 

Now to the decision and what I think REALLY happened with mr. Vinscent Porurrieux and those promotional videos in China.

 

We know that the real lawsuit is finished and the verdict will be here in a couple of days.

That lawsuit is VWORLD sueing Farlan on the grounds of software and technology counterfeit, non-respect of the right to being credited and paternity, unfair competition and parasitism.

The counter suit was about damage to NPCube's reputation.

I don't believe Np3Cube should have won the lawsuit. Because their reputation was damaged because a key programmer left them with a messy, unfinished, code. We have already heard the truth about Mr. Vincefnt Paourieux's coding skills dating back to Methuselah.

But, you cannot convict a man for leaving the company and being a messy coder.

 

Np3Cube hired Mr. Vindcent Pourieex to work with them because he knew how to work with the only technology available at that moment in time that could make their project as good as they wanted it to be. And they didn't know he was such a sloppy coder.

 

Back on topic.

This is what I think happened and how it came to be that the official press release said:

"The Court also ruled that the Mafate game engine was making use of the V-world technology, rebranded VWorldTerrain in 2004, and not of a « SCAPER technology»"

 

SHORT VERSION:

 

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED

The case did not discuss the EMPLOYMENT and RESIGNATION of PIX and the PATERNITY of the technology used in Mafate.

Tthe pictures you see on mr. Vincrent Praiuex's website are OLD screenshots.


Mr. Vincrnt Pourrieux has these screenshots from WHEN HE WORKED THERE! He PUT them on his site for promotion of VWORLD!

Then he USED those screenshots in the COURT!

These screenshots were ALSO on NP3cube computers! They were good! And so they ALSO USED THEM AGAIN in CHINA for PROMOTION!

 

END OF SHORT VERSION

 

It really comes down to the lazyness of not using new screenshots/video clips for a promotional video.

The real issue was not debated. Just briefly mentioned by the court because Mr. Vincrent Praiuxs's lawyer was more persuasive.

 

I think Mr. Vincrnt Praieux is manipulating everybody. Including the French court!

 

I hope that in the future we shall stop referring to this lawsuit as any type of defining proof. Instead we should focus on the coming verdict.

 

I hope Mr. Vincent Pourriux has not succeeded in manipulating the court on this issue.

After all.. It makes no sense that a programmer working for a company with a technology he brought with him and got paid for can suddenly leave the company and demand royalty fee and lots of money.

Imagine if some Microsoft programmers started to demand the same thing. .. Or in other companies. .. When would you ever risk to hire a person and buy the licence to a technology then?

  Raltar

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Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 843

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10/27/08 12:02:44 AM#2

TL:DR

I'll keep asking you this question until you anwser it, real short and simple:

Even if Pix is satan himself, Vworld was just asking to be stolen and you have all the evidence to prove it, how does that erase all the other problems with the game? How does that erase the fact that nobody else at the company could program their way out of a cardboard box? How does that forgive the fact that they stole from their customers and charged money from people who had no desire to play? How does that change the way they lied to and mistreated every single paying customer in every way they could come up with?

Even if Pix doesn't give a flying rat's hindquarters about MMORPGs and even if he destroyed the game by leaving the company, that doesn't change the fact that the company itself was corrupt and mistreated its customers. Even if the game had been great there would still be legions of people unwilling to play it because of the mistreatment they had to suffer at the hands of Farlan and NPCube. All the begging, pleading, harassing and trolling you do on these forums won't change that fact.

And in five more days a judge will hand down the verdict that will be the final nail in the coffin of this game.

Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain

  GrayGhost79

Novice Member

Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4888

10/27/08 1:11:02 AM#3
Originally posted by ZtyX

It has been a common misconception of the truth that the lawsuit won by mr. Virncent Pourrieux earlier this year meant anything for the problems between Np3Cube and mr. Vinctent Pourrieusx

 

The truth is that the lawsuit was insignificant. I am really sad to see so many forum members use this court decision as their argument for making Np3Cube look bad on Dark and Light project. I refer to my other posts for my take on this situation.

 

Now to the decision and what I think REALLY happened with mr. Vinscent Porurrieux and those promotional videos in China.

 

We know that the real lawsuit is finished and the verdict will be here in a couple of days.

That lawsuit is VWORLD sueing Farlan on the grounds of software and technology counterfeit, non-respect of the right to being credited and paternity, unfair competition and parasitism.

The counter suit was about damage to NPCube's reputation.

I don't believe Np3Cube should have won the lawsuit. Because their reputation was damaged because a key programmer left them with a messy, unfinished, code. We have already heard the truth about Mr. Vincefnt Paourieux's coding skills dating back to Methuselah.

But, you cannot convict a man for leaving the company and being a messy coder.

 

Np3Cube hired Mr. Vindcent Pourieex to work with them because he knew how to work with the only technology available at that moment in time that could make their project as good as they wanted it to be. And they didn't know he was such a sloppy coder.

 

Back on topic.

This is what I think happened and how it came to be that the official press release said:

"The Court also ruled that the Mafate game engine was making use of the V-world technology, rebranded VWorldTerrain in 2004, and not of a « SCAPER technology»"

 

SHORT VERSION:

 

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED

The case did not discuss the EMPLOYMENT and RESIGNATION of PIX and the PATERNITY of the technology used in Mafate.

Tthe pictures you see on mr. Vincrent Praiuex's website are OLD screenshots.


Mr. Vincrnt Pourrieux has these screenshots from WHEN HE WORKED THERE! He PUT them on his site for promotion of VWORLD!

Then he USED those screenshots in the COURT!

These screenshots were ALSO on NP3cube computers! They were good! And so they ALSO USED THEM AGAIN in CHINA for PROMOTION!

 

END OF SHORT VERSION

 

It really comes down to the lazyness of not using new screenshots/video clips for a promotional video.

The real issue was not debated. Just briefly mentioned by the court because Mr. Vincrent Praiuxs's lawyer was more persuasive.

 

I think Mr. Vincrnt Praieux is manipulating everybody. Including the French court!

 

I hope that in the future we shall stop referring to this lawsuit as any type of defining proof. Instead we should focus on the coming verdict.

 

I hope Mr. Vincent Pourriux has not succeeded in manipulating the court on this issue.

After all.. It makes no sense that a programmer working for a company with a technology he brought with him and got paid for can suddenly leave the company and demand royalty fee and lots of money.

Imagine if some Microsoft programmers started to demand the same thing. .. Or in other companies. .. When would you ever risk to hire a person and buy the licence to a technology then?


 

Honestly the case in essence was about slander and I would imagine that it encompassed calling him a thief (Not the exact same Wording) as well as other things Pix was saying. Here is the problem with what you have said. If it was found already that Pix was not slandering NPCubes reputation then the things he was saying had to have some truth to them.

I mean here is the definition of slander

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.

This is basicaly what Pix was accused of. Having been found innocent of this guess what.... It means he could prove what he was saying in that specific courts eye's.

I mean you do remember this correct?

César Jacquet on darkandlight.com wrote a few months ago:

Vincent Pourieux and VWorld pour out false and truncated information on the on-line game forums and the players community deserves that this shall be addressed.

First of all, it must reminded that it is for Justice and Justice only to reach a verdict on the on-going Court cases. All speculation on the part of Pourieux/VWorld as of today is purely hypothetical.

We commit ourselves to publishing the decisions when they will be rendered by the competent Courts and the players community will form its own opinion at this occasion.
[...]
César Jacquet,
NP3,
Farlan Entertainment

 

He was being sued for slander. Read again what slander is then read this again then tell me the courts decision in favor of Pix over this issue has no bearring.

He was found innocent of Slander which means what he was saying was True and he could prove it.

You have to know this no one can be this..... I don't even have a word for it.

  Cholayna

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/05/05
Posts: 1618

10/27/08 1:25:23 AM#4
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by ZtyX


 

Honestly the case in essence was about slander and I would imagine that it encompassed calling him a thief (Not the exact same Wording) as well as other things Pix was saying. Here is the problem with what you have said. If it was found already that Pix was not slandering NPCubes reputation then the things he was saying had to have some truth to them.

I mean here is the definition of slander

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.

This is basicaly what Pix was accused of. Having been found innocent of this guess what.... It means he could prove what he was saying in that specific courts eye's.

I mean you do remember this correct?

César Jacquet on darkandlight.com wrote a few months ago:

Vincent Pourieux and VWorld pour out false and truncated information on the on-line game forums and the players community deserves that this shall be addressed.

First of all, it must reminded that it is for Justice and Justice only to reach a verdict on the on-going Court cases. All speculation on the part of Pourieux/VWorld as of today is purely hypothetical.

We commit ourselves to publishing the decisions when they will be rendered by the competent Courts and the players community will form its own opinion at this occasion.
[...]
César Jacquet,
NP3,
Farlan Entertainment

 

He was being sued for slander. Read again what slander is then read this again then tell me the courts decision in favor of Pix over this issue has no bearring.

He was found innocent of Slander which means what he was saying was True and he could prove it.

You have to know this no one can be this..... I don't even have a word for it.


 

LOL Awesome Grayghost!!!!  Right on!

Then again, Zytx's constant twisting of the the ""truth"to fit his needs is very well known on this board.

No amount of black and white facts, base intelligence, logic, common sense, nor even any court of law finding will sway his ridiculous posts.

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4888

10/27/08 1:30:24 AM#5
Originally posted by Cholayna
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by ZtyX


 

Honestly the case in essence was about slander and I would imagine that it encompassed calling him a thief (Not the exact same Wording) as well as other things Pix was saying. Here is the problem with what you have said. If it was found already that Pix was not slandering NPCubes reputation then the things he was saying had to have some truth to them.

I mean here is the definition of slander

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.

This is basicaly what Pix was accused of. Having been found innocent of this guess what.... It means he could prove what he was saying in that specific courts eye's.

I mean you do remember this correct?

César Jacquet on darkandlight.com wrote a few months ago:

Vincent Pourieux and VWorld pour out false and truncated information on the on-line game forums and the players community deserves that this shall be addressed.

First of all, it must reminded that it is for Justice and Justice only to reach a verdict on the on-going Court cases. All speculation on the part of Pourieux/VWorld as of today is purely hypothetical.

We commit ourselves to publishing the decisions when they will be rendered by the competent Courts and the players community will form its own opinion at this occasion.
[...]
César Jacquet,
NP3,
Farlan Entertainment

 

He was being sued for slander. Read again what slander is then read this again then tell me the courts decision in favor of Pix over this issue has no bearring.

He was found innocent of Slander which means what he was saying was True and he could prove it.

You have to know this no one can be this..... I don't even have a word for it.


 

LOL Awesome Grayghost!!!!  Right on!

Then again, Zytx's constant twisting of the the ""truth"to fit his needs is very well known on this board.

No amount of black and white facts, base intelligence, logic, common sense, nor even any court of law finding will sway his ridiculous posts.


 

lol ok, I really don't have much interest in DnL I did at one point but when I came to check the game out I saw all this going on and I got mildly interested in the case and pop in once a blue moon to see if anything happend yet. When I read this post I could not help replying. I swear i have never seen this much blatent self imposed ingnorance in my life, it almost gave me an aneurysm.

I'll be back around the 30th/31st to see what the verdict is and I wish you guys luck well Pix anyways. I hope that if DnL does go down you all find a game that you enjoy ^^.

  Zorbane

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Joined: 12/12/05
Posts: 532

10/27/08 2:16:00 AM#6

mmorpg.com needs a facepalm emoticon.

 

I guess this will do.

 

  bratisla

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Joined: 10/17/08
Posts: 17

10/27/08 3:37:09 AM#7

Ztyx,

 

You're not French, so if you want to understand the court decision, you have to have learned French as foreign language ...

Except you don't, since you say only utter BS about the court decision.

I'm French, and I read the court decision. And I say, you didn't understand ANYTHING and you spew FALSE and SLANDEROUS nonsense. Once again.

So, I will make it short :

1) the court judged the accusation of NPCube (NOT Pourieux) about the failure of the joint venture in China by Pourieux, his parasitism in the partenship between the Reunion University and the failure in the development of Dark and Light

2) the court judged that the three points were NON RELEVANT, and that NPCube shall pay 50000€ to Pourieux. So Pourieux is NOT RESPONSIBLE of :

- DnL failure

- the failed partnership in China

3) ON TOP OF THAT, the court recognised that DnL used VWorld technology. 

4) writing diffamatory allegations on a forum, either on someone or a justice decision, is delictual - and french courts do not like it AT ALL.

Source : the court decision, freely available at the Tribunal de Commerce de Clermont Ferrand. You write a nice letter to the "greffe", asking to get the court decision for this case, and you join an envelope with a stamp so that they can send you back the paper. Oh, and you learn french. 

 

Now, let's prove now that you are also a technical moron. Always a pleasure to bring back your nose in the mud you created.

If I get it right, you are  saying that Pourieux took the promotional video made by NPCube for China, managed to create algorithms which are so clever they are able to EXPAND the video  in a logical fashion so that everyone believes it was his work ? Wow, Pourieux should publish/copyright these algorithms, because it's a really impressive work even for scientists ...

Or maybe  ? Or maybe Pourieux created the video with VWorld, and then NPCube cropped it to get rid of the VWorld logo and claim it's their own ?

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10/27/08 4:19:06 AM#8
Originally posted by bratisla

Ztyx,

 

You're not French, so if you want to understand the court decision, you have to have learned French as foreign language ...

Except you don't, since you say only utter BS about the court decision.

I'm French, and I read the court decision. And I say, you didn't understand ANYTHING and you spew FALSE and SLANDEROUS nonsense. Once again.

So, I will make it short :

1) the court judged the accusation of NPCube (NOT Pourieux) about the failure of the joint venture in China by Pourieux, his parasitism in the partenship between the Reunion University and the failure in the development of Dark and Light

2) the court judged that the three points were NON RELEVANT, and that NPCube shall pay 50000€ to Pourieux. So Pourieux is NOT RESPONSIBLE of :

- DnL failure

- the failed partnership in China

3) ON TOP OF THAT, the court recognised that DnL used VWorld technology. 

4) writing diffamatory allegations on a forum, either on someone or a justice decision, is delictual - and french courts do not like it AT ALL.

Source : the court decision, freely available at the Tribunal de Commerce de Clermont Ferrand. You write a nice letter to the "greffe", asking to get the court decision for this case, and you join an envelope with a stamp so that they can send you back the paper. Oh, and you learn french. 

 

Now, let's prove now that you are also a technical moron. Always a pleasure to bring back your nose in the mud you created.

If I get it right, you are  saying that Pourieux took the promotional video made by NPCube for China, managed to create algorithms which are so clever they are able to EXPAND the video  in a logical fashion so that everyone believes it was his work ? Wow, Pourieux should publish/copyright these algorithms, because it's a really impressive work even for scientists ...

Or maybe  ? Or maybe Pourieux created the video with VWorld, and then NPCube cropped it to get rid of the VWorld logo and claim it's their own ?

 

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10/27/08 5:22:25 AM#9

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  Death1942

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10/27/08 5:27:05 AM#10

lol same

 

anyway.  i havent really followed this too closely but how did this end up in a French court?

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10/27/08 1:16:47 PM#11
Originally posted by Death1942

lol same

 

anyway.  i havent really followed this too closely but how did this end up in a French court?


 

The game was developed in Europe and most of the people involved with VWorld are french. I guess its just where the lawsuit was filed.

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10/28/08 10:56:59 PM#12

Folks, folks, lawsuits, Pix, blah, blah, blah.... WHO CARES! Does it all really change the fact that the game was a massive POS that lost the great majority of it player population within 30 days of going live but continued to charge some of them after they had cancelled their account???

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10/29/08 1:33:02 AM#13
Originally posted by kakasaki

Folks, folks, lawsuits, Pix, blah, blah, blah.... WHO CARES! Does it all really change the fact that the game was a massive POS that lost the great majority of it player population within 30 days of going live but continued to charge some of them after they had cancelled their account???


 

Thats exactly what I keep asking Zytx. It seems he doesn't want to anwser me because he dissapears for several days every time I ask it.

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11/15/08 1:00:55 PM#14

The op kind of hit on what I was saying in the other thread, without new development , or screenshots of Vworld, there really isn't anything connecting Pix to the technology after he left the Company he help create.

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11/15/08 2:27:29 PM#15
Originally posted by solareus

The op kind of hit on what I was saying in the other thread, without new development , or screenshots of Vworld, there really isn't anything connecting Pix to the technology after he left the Company he help create.


 

So I guess that means when a person turns 18 and moves out of their parents house, they cease to be affiliated with their parents because they no longer have daily contact with them? Or that because nobody has made a Dungeon Siege game in a few years nobody owns the rights to it?

Pix created Vworld. It doesn't matter when he did it or how long ago. He did it. And he owns all legal rights to the technology. End of story. Nothing you say can change that.

And if you are just going to keep repeating the same arguements over and over again then I'm just going to keep making the same counter arguements in reply:

Even if Pix is satan himself, Vworld was just asking to be stolen and you have all the evidence to prove it, how does that erase all the other problems with the game? How does that erase the fact that nobody else at the company could program their way out of a cardboard box? How does that forgive the fact that they stole from their customers and charged money from people who had no desire to play? How does that change the way they lied to and mistreated every single paying customer in every way they could come up with?

Even if Pix doesn't give a flying rat's hindquarters about MMORPGs and even if he destroyed the game by leaving the company, that doesn't change the fact that the company itself was corrupt and mistreated its customers. Even if the game had been great there would still be legions of people unwilling to play it because of the mistreatment they had to suffer at the hands of Farlan and NPCube. All the begging, pleading, harassing and trolling you do on these forums won't change that fact.

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  User Deleted
11/15/08 4:02:34 PM#16

Out of curiosity, how does anyone know Pix didn't take the money after he left ? How do you know he wasn't the soul demiser of the game ?  Think it is funny how Pix played the crowed, pushing hard to make himself the victim,. even though he "founded"  DnL , yet he is exempted from that some how, it is truly amazing to watch ix fool people, though maybe he isn't. It is very interesting none the less . How does Pix make a living if all he does is this court case ?

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11/15/08 8:24:25 PM#17

As near as I can tell VWorld is an LLC Design Studio which employs three principal people:

Vincent Pourieux [CEO]

Jean-Francois Lévigne [Data Base and Cartography Manager]

Florence Lévêque [VP Marketing and Business Development]

They offer a couple of products; (I think).

The Enigma 1 and 1.5 entertainment CD ROMs

The vieWTerra system (which may still be in development)

They offer VWorld 3D terrain engine for licensing, though the only game or user they list on their site is (suprisingly), DnL.

They also developed a video game, (Speed Demons), about 10 years ago, though I doubt it is still in production.

I believe there was an update in October announcing that vieWTerra finished.

There is no price listing for any of these items that I could find, but Mr. Pourieux reads these forums and posts here, so perhaps he could fill you in better than I.

Their website is: 

http://www.vworld.fr/Gb/GB.htm

The website for vieWTerra is:

http://www.monde3d.com/

[Note that you must register there before you have access to the site]

Whether or not VWorld Studios is a full time or a part time operation I have no idea.

 

 

  User Deleted
11/15/08 9:39:08 PM#18

what does this say ?

Juillet 2004, démission d'une partie du staff de NP Cube (Jean-François Levigne, Vincent Pelisson et Vincent Pourieux, ayant fondé la société VWORLD, succédant à la société CPU Software)

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11/15/08 9:50:45 PM#19
Originally posted by solareus

Out of curiosity, how does anyone know Pix didn't take the money after he left ?


 

We don't know. But it doesn't matter because you still can't anwser this question:

Even if Pix is satan himself, Vworld was just asking to be stolen and you have all the evidence to prove it, how does that erase all the other problems with the game? How does that erase the fact that nobody else at the company could program their way out of a cardboard box? How does that forgive the fact that they stole from their customers and charged money from people who had no desire to play? How does that change the way they lied to and mistreated every single paying customer in every way they could come up with?

Seriously, either anwser that question or nothing you have to say about Pix matters. The guy could be Hitler for all I care, it still doesn't make DnL a good game.

Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain

  User Deleted
11/15/08 9:55:18 PM#20
Originally posted by Raltar
Originally posted by solareus

Out of curiosity, how does anyone know Pix didn't take the money after he left ?


 

We don't know. But it doesn't matter because you still can't anwser this question:

Even if Pix is satan himself, Vworld was just asking to be stolen and you have all the evidence to prove it, how does that erase all the other problems with the game? How does that erase the fact that nobody else at the company could program their way out of a cardboard box? How does that forgive the fact that they stole from their customers and charged money from people who had no desire to play? How does that change the way they lied to and mistreated every single paying customer in every way they could come up with?

Seriously, either anwser that question or nothing you have to say about Pix matters. The guy could be Hitler for all I care, it still doesn't make DnL a good game.

Yes , that is what I'm saying, what if pix had no clue how to do game coding ?

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