LOL, you just contradicted yourself; you say you don't care about revenue but then go on to say you can predict the kind of support you can get based on financial health! Duh, revenue is going to predict financial health better than subscriber numbers.

Are you trying so hard this is what you had to come up with? Did this really need explaining? 

After a certain number of subscribers financial health is all but guaranteed, that's why it's interesting to see. You still can't predict revenue though.

Actualy, accounts created will tell you a lot more. Boxes sold numbers from EA (or any publisher) is the number of boxes they shipped to stores, since the publisher sells to stores not consumers. Accounts created tells you how many boxes were bought, loaded onto a PC and used to play the game.

While I agree Boxes sold to retailers is a useless statistic for us there's also numbers given out of actual boxes sold of a game (far as I remember at least, you could be right here). In that sense Accounts created "would" be more usefull than the other number however it still doesn't strictly represent boxes sold (preorders who didn't buy among others and Mark himself mentioned that CC fraud when buying online was a huge part of the gold sellers as well who would also be counted into this)

games seem to be more about subscriber numbers than actually being a good game..i have heard people say they wouldnt play a game unless it had over a million people playing it. I would be surprised if a linear, dull, unexciting game like war would draw a million subs.

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Xenosaiyan

750K subscribers no one has ever reached that either but there's more and more mmoers these days

 

750k accounts created actually. Which , by now probably will at least be 750k sold, however that still doesn't mean there's 750k subs, it's actually very unlikely unless they got somewhere near or over a million sold by now. (considering players who cancel)

while you are in the mood to "consider" please take the time to "consider" the following groups of WAR players.
 

* The WAR players who cancel and return

* The WAR players who just bought the game

* The WAR players who stay and get their friends to start playing

* The WAR players who had to wait to buy a Time Card and let their sub momentarily lapse

And finally please conisder you dont play the game, nor do you have any insider info.  Since I play the game I can tell you my server has maintained its player pop quite nicely even after the server cap increase.

Originally posted by ronan32

games seem to be more about subscriber numbers than actually being a good game..i have heard people say they wouldnt play a game unless it had over a million people playing it. I would be surprised if a linear, dull, unexciting game like war would draw a million subs.

they are actually about "both."   They may "seem" that way to you -- but rest assured they are about both.
 

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Xenosaiyan

750K subscribers no one has ever reached that either but there's more and more mmoers these days

 

750k accounts created actually. Which , by now probably will at least be 750k sold, however that still doesn't mean there's 750k subs, it's actually very unlikely unless they got somewhere near or over a million sold by now. (considering players who cancel)

while you are in the mood to "consider" please take the time to "consider" the following groups of WAR players.
 

* The WAR players who cancel and return

* The WAR players who just bought the game

* The WAR players who stay and get their friends to start playing

* The WAR players who had to wait to buy a Time Card and let their sub momentarily lapse

And finally please conisder you dont play the game, nor do you have any insider info.  Since I play the game I can tell you my server has maintained its player pop quite nicely even after the server cap increase.

Um, I'm basing what I say on the numbers we have been given. It's an assumption. I think I was pretty clear on that? I know you love to get all defensive and everything but there is nothing wrong with what i said.

Your first group doesn't even matter since it doesn't create any new accounts. The 2-3 would be new players to the game which would indicate the possible 1 million + accounts however we haven't heard anything about that(nor did I discount that that happened actually if you bothered to comprehend what I said). What does 4 even have to do with the numbers I'm talking about? 

Is there something difficult with the english language that you maybe aren't understanding correctly? I did say "unless" in there didn't I? I believe that's called a conditional or something like that? 

My argument was that 750k accounts created does not necessarily equal 750k subscribers and given that someone will *always* not like the game 100% retention is pure nonsense so that statement is perfectly correct.
 

When you catch me stating "facts" that are wrong come knocking at my door but don't come to me with this crap about how I can't know what I'm talking about when all that i talk about is based on actual things we know.

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Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Xenosaiyan

750K subscribers no one has ever reached that either but there's more and more mmoers these days

 

750k accounts created actually. Which , by now probably will at least be 750k sold, however that still doesn't mean there's 750k subs, it's actually very unlikely unless they got somewhere near or over a million sold by now. (considering players who cancel)

while you are in the mood to "consider" please take the time to "consider" the following groups of WAR players.
 

* The WAR players who cancel and return

* The WAR players who just bought the game

* The WAR players who stay and get their friends to start playing

* The WAR players who had to wait to buy a Time Card and let their sub momentarily lapse

And finally please conisder you dont play the game, nor do you have any insider info.  Since I play the game I can tell you my server has maintained its player pop quite nicely even after the server cap increase.

 

Um, I'm basing what I say on the numbers we have been given. It's an assumption. I think I was pretty clear on that? I know you love to get all defensive and everything but there is nothing wrong with what i said.

 

Your first group doesn't even matter since it doesn't create any new accounts. The 2-3 would be new players to the game which would indicate the possible 1 million + accounts however we haven't heard anything about that(nor did I discount that that happened actually if you bothered to comprehend what I said). What does 4 even have to do with the numbers I'm talking about? 

 

Is there something difficult with the english language that you maybe aren't understanding correctly? I did say "unless" in there didn't I? I believe that's called a conditional or something like that? 

My argument was that 750k accounts created does not necessarily equal 750k subscribers and given that someone will *always* not like the game 100% retention is pure nonsense so that statement is perfectly correct.
 

When you catch me stating "facts" that are wrong come knocking at my door but don't come to me with this crap about how I can't know what I'm talking about when all that i talk about is based on actual things we know.

 

 

 

 

"Um, I'm basing what I say on the numbers we have been given. It's an assumption. I think I was pretty clear on that? I know you love to get all defensive and everything but there is nothing wrong with what i said. "

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

"Your first group doesn't even matter since it doesn't create any new accounts. The 2-3 would be new players to the game which would indicate the possible 1 million + accounts however we haven't heard anything about that(nor did I discount that that happened actually if you bothered to comprehend what I said). What does 4 even have to do with the numbers I'm talking about?"

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ?  Also, Mythic does not have to announce its total accounts -- Altough at some point soon  they may.  Until then you are once again throwing up your assumptions.  And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs.  So the fact I make a vaild point that a certain portion of lost accounts will resub is as valid as it gets.

"Is there something difficult with the english language that you maybe aren't understanding correctly? I did say "unless" in there didn't I? I believe that's called a conditional or something like that?"

I can only hope to one day command a mastery of the English language on the same level as you -- especially when it comes to using rhetorical questions in a desperate attempt to try and make yourself look smarter then you really are.

"My argument was that 750k accounts created does not necessarily equal 750k subscribers and given that someone will *always* not like the game 100% retention is pure nonsense so that statement is perfectly correct."
 

I couldnt agree with you more here, since you obviously are here for one reason and one reason alone -- to argue.  So, yes, you argue just to argue.  100% agreement here.

"When you catch me stating "facts" that are wrong come knocking at my door but don't come to me with this crap about how I can't know what I'm talking about when all that i talk about is based on actual things we know. "

I think it is clear that what little you do know is taken and twisted and manipulated to serve your "arguments."

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

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Originally posted by TheBrewer
I dont care why it matters??? I dont see why fanbois care how many subs the game gets?? Sub numbers doesnt show how good or bad a game is. Look at WOW, pretty bad game all those subscribers.
Low sub numbers doesnt make it a bad game. Eve online has a fraction of Wows subs yet its 10 time sbetter a game.... so who cares
 

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rofl, plz do wake up

We have or should I say had an alliance of around 400-500 people on Phoenix Throne (one of the higher pop servers). More than half of those people have not re subscribed or have canceled their subscriptions, already and more are saying they are going to cancel depending on which is first...Warhammers big patch or WOTLK expansion. Seeing as how WOTLK comes out first those folks will be leaving soon.

We were old school DAOC'ers and had high hopes for Warhammer but we'll check it out in a year or so when it's more complete. We're not going to pay to beta test a game that should have been polished and finished from day one. We understand bugs and fixes needed, tweaks here and there at release but the game is broken as is and doesn't deliver what was originally offered.

We're not the only alliance out there like this, a lot of the servers are empting out hince why they are having to offer free transfers off ghost town servers. That alone is a really bad sign of how things went the first month for Warhammer. Free transfers, mergers are a first sign of big trouble in numbers, just it's came a little over a month for a brand new game that was suppose to be a WoW killer.

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

That is yet another (but who is counting) rhetorical question you should be asking yourself.  Also, maybe you should try hanging out on the forums of the game you do play.  Assuming your game is fun enough to tear you away from trolling for attention here. 
 

Originally posted by Tayah

We have or should I say had an alliance of around 400-500 people on Phoenix Throne (one of the higher pop servers). More than half of those people have not re subscribed or have canceled their subscriptions, already and more are saying they are going to cancel depending on which is first...Warhammers big patch or WOTLK expansion. Seeing as how WOTLK comes out first those folks will be leaving soon.

We were old school DAOC'ers and had high hopes for Warhammer but we'll check it out in a year or so when it's more complete. We're not going to pay to beta test a game that should have been polished and finished from day one. We understand bugs and fixes needed, tweaks here and there at release but the game is broken as is and doesn't deliver what was originally offered.

Broken how?  WAR is arguably the best release of an MMO ever.  There are no major CTD problems, no major game breaking bugs, no server crashes.  The only game I can think of that came even close to as flawless a launch as WAR was LOTRO.  I was around for WoWs release and remember the Authenticztion server crashes and long line to get online.  Say what you want about gameplay, thats opinion.  But don't lie about the game being broken.

We're not the only alliance out there like this, a lot of the servers are empting out hince why they are having to offer free transfers off ghost town servers. That alone is a really bad sign of how things went the first month for Warhammer. Free transfers, mergers are a first sign of big trouble in numbers, just it's came a little over a month for a brand new game that was suppose to be a WoW killer.

Funny, you would think that lossing an alliance that large would be noticable and yet, Pheonix Throne is still Full capacity every night. 

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

That is yet another (but who is counting) rhetorical question you should be asking yourself.  Also, maybe you should try hanging out on the forums of the game you do play.  Assuming your game is fun enough to tear you away from trolling for attention here. 
 

Thank you for not providing any real substance to any questions I've asked about your trolling me.

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

That is yet another (but who is counting) rhetorical question you should be asking yourself.  Also, maybe you should try hanging out on the forums of the game you do play.  Assuming your game is fun enough to tear you away from trolling for attention here. 
 

 

Thank you for not providing any real substance to any questions I've asked about your trolling me.

your welcome.  And if you want some answers you might want to scale back on the rhetoric.
 

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

That is yet another (but who is counting) rhetorical question you should be asking yourself.  Also, maybe you should try hanging out on the forums of the game you do play.  Assuming your game is fun enough to tear you away from trolling for attention here. 
 

 

Thank you for not providing any real substance to any questions I've asked about your trolling me.

your welcome.  And if you want some answers you might want to scale back on the rhetoric.
 

pheace I advise you just give up. This guy just trolls and flames anyone who doesnt like War. He never has any substance and always assumes he wins. I havent seem him win one yet though.
 

Originally posted by berniebear

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

That is yet another (but who is counting) rhetorical question you should be asking yourself.  Also, maybe you should try hanging out on the forums of the game you do play.  Assuming your game is fun enough to tear you away from trolling for attention here. 
 

 

Thank you for not providing any real substance to any questions I've asked about your trolling me.

your welcome.  And if you want some answers you might want to scale back on the rhetoric.
 

pheace I advise you just give up. This guy just trolls and flames anyone who doesnt like War. He never has any substance and always assumes he wins. I havent seem him win one yet though.
 

best advice I heard in a while.  I would like to add after the "give up," part -- "go back to your great game and play that."  Somehow I guess it cant be too fun, since you and others are always on here talking smack and spreading lies about a game you dont even play.  Since I only frequent these forums (because I actually PLAY war) I am not sure it is I who is trolling and flaming.  But believe what you want if it helps you sleep at night. 
 

statistics is bs.  take the class the teacher will tell you himself mine did

I guess about 750k of the 1 million just pay for a sub and don't use it then. They may have sold a million copies but any suggestion that a million people are playing this thing is rediculous. The game is dying fast.

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by berniebear

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

That is yet another (but who is counting) rhetorical question you should be asking yourself.  Also, maybe you should try hanging out on the forums of the game you do play.  Assuming your game is fun enough to tear you away from trolling for attention here. 
 

 

Thank you for not providing any real substance to any questions I've asked about your trolling me.

your welcome.  And if you want some answers you might want to scale back on the rhetoric.
 

pheace I advise you just give up. This guy just trolls and flames anyone who doesnt like War. He never has any substance and always assumes he wins. I havent seem him win one yet though.
 

best advice I heard in a while.  I would like to add after the "give up," part -- "go back to your great game and play that."  Somehow I guess it cant be too fun, since you and others are always on here talking smack and spreading lies about a game you dont even play.  Since I only frequent these forums (because I actually PLAY war) I am not sure it is I who is trolling and flaming.  But believe what you want if it helps you sleep at night. 
 

Ummm.. yea, because ANYTHING you do or dnt do affects my sleep at night?? Was that a really bad joek or were you serious I couldnt tell.
 

Point is you may be the biggest fanboy on the forums and anywho who doesnt like the game you just tear into. Your no different then that brew guy, your the opposite side of the coin, he's the ying your yang, he's neo your smith... I think you get my point.

Originally posted by berniebear

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by berniebear

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Show me where in anything you wrote you made it clear what you said was an assumption.  As far as I am concerned you are speaking as if you have insider info from EQ/Mythic.  Also, please dont talk out of both sides of your mouth -- on the one hand you claim you are basing what you say on numbers you are given but then in the next breath say you are making an assumption.  The second part is true, you are making an assumption because Mythic hasnt said anything else about accounts or subs other then the original 750k account created comment.  You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right ?

 

Um what? I have based my arguments on the numbers given and made an assumption from that. Is this really that difficult for you or are you just digging and digging here?

 

Have you found anything wrong with what I said by the way? What are you arguing exactly? All I saw you mention was that I made up stuff? Where? What are you talking about?

 

It doesnt matter, why ?-- because you said so ? 

 

Another nobrainer. because that first group already created their accounts therefor their numbers are already counted into the one we have, cancelled or not.

 

And the first group does matter since people like you are contantly on here saying the game is losing subs. 

 

I didn't say any such thing. Is spreading lies really the best you can do or do you again just fail reading comprehension? I have argued that accounts created is all that was ever released and that 100% retention rate doesn't exist with MMO's. 

The other argument I made was that the OP was a liar which is obvious since A) We've seen no source here or anywhere else on any forums. and B) They are impossible since the requirements to fit a subscriber as posted in his OP make it impossible for a million subs to exist at this point since as MJ said, there simply weren't a million accounts created a month ago so therefor there can't be a million people out of their free month at this point in time. 

 

Rest of the post was just too sad to answer really. Is there anything beyond petty arguments to what you're doing right now?

That is yet another (but who is counting) rhetorical question you should be asking yourself.  Also, maybe you should try hanging out on the forums of the game you do play.  Assuming your game is fun enough to tear you away from trolling for attention here. 
 

 

Thank you for not providing any real substance to any questions I've asked about your trolling me.

your welcome.  And if you want some answers you might want to scale back on the rhetoric.
 

pheace I advise you just give up. This guy just trolls and flames anyone who doesnt like War. He never has any substance and always assumes he wins. I havent seem him win one yet though.
 

best advice I heard in a while.  I would like to add after the "give up," part -- "go back to your great game and play that."  Somehow I guess it cant be too fun, since you and others are always on here talking smack and spreading lies about a game you dont even play.  Since I only frequent these forums (because I actually PLAY war) I am not sure it is I who is trolling and flaming.  But believe what you want if it helps you sleep at night. 
 

Ummm.. yea, because ANYTHING you do or dnt do affects my sleep at night?? Was that a really bad joek or were you serious I couldnt tell.
 

Point is you may be the biggest fanboy on the forums and anywho who doesnt like the game you just tear into. Your no different then that brew guy, your the opposite side of the coin, he's the ying your yang, he's neo your smith... I think you get my point.

 

whatever floats your boat.  Hopefully you find something better to do with your time someday other then going to a message board of a game you dont even play.