Why does this game need to be SWGv2.0? WHY?

It seems that there's been a lot of sh** thrown around (both here and at the official forums) at Bioware about -not- making a SWG-esque sandbox.

I ask you this, why? Why do you hold this attitude of self-entitlement? Why do YOU deserve a game? Did SOE shaft you so badly that you can play no other game and you feel the need to bitch and moan until you get what you want? 

And, did you honestly expect the King of D20-esque Single Player RPGs to come out with a sandbox? Seriously, did you expect that?

We just want it to be, because does the world really need another wow clone that does so little right? 

Do you really want to pay for another game of solo quest grinding for like 60-100 hours and then your only options are to raid or make a new character?

It's not a WoW clone.  It's a Bioware clone.  I'm willing to bet Bioware has a bigger fanbase then SWG.

So... 4-8 hours of questing and pointless ugly side quests?

I guess it beats dancing in a cantina for 4 to 8 hours.

Some will enjoy Bioware's stories and ideas.  Others will not enjoy them.  I am pretty confident that trying to change them will not happen though.  They have made many games before this MMO and aren't likely to change the way they make games for a few who complain.

So what is this your "I Told you so" post, because some had hopes that this game would be thier savior? Because some people are tired of the same rehashed sh*t thats being put out there as MMOs like WAR and AOC.

that people were hoping that a great game maker like Bioware would sell out and truely make an innovative game?  And thats the problem you "Its not SWG 2.0" idiots don't see ... is it didn't have to be SWG 2.0 it just had to be DIFFERENT than the bullsh*t WOW wannabes that are out there right now.

Originally posted by Ravanos

So what is this your "I Told you so" post, because some had hopes that this game would be thier savior? Because some people are tired of the same rehashed sh*t thats being put out there as MMOs like WAR and AOC.

that people were hoping that a great game maker like Bioware would sell out and truely make an innovative game?  And thats the problem you "Its not SWG 2.0" idiots don't see ... is it didn't have to be SWG 2.0 it just had to be DIFFERENT than the bullsh*t WOW wannabes that are out there right now.

 

How do you know it wont be different?  We know it wont be a sandbox, but it will deffinatly be more like KOTOR then it will be like World of Warcraft.

Originally posted by star.buck

Why does this game need to be SWGv2.0? WHY?

I am a ex SWG player but don't want Bioware's Tor to be a SWGv2.0, I know and I bet allot of other Bioware game gamers know what Bioware is good at, have they ever created a sandbox single player game, well not as far I see a sandbox game they havn't, so it's kinda inlogical to even asume SWTOR would be anything like SWG

It seems that there's been a lot of sh** thrown around (both here and at the official forums) at Bioware about -not- making a SWG-esque sandbox.

Probably by people that are totally unaware of what Bioware is really good at, they are story tellers, there own words

I ask you this, why? Why do you hold this attitude of self-entitlement?

Okay with this you must mean that very small minority that often can be very loud about their dislike of SOE/SWG

Why do YOU deserve a game? Did SOE shaft you so badly that you can play no other game and you feel the need to bitch and moan until you get what you want? 

Well, doesn't this go for about any type of gamer regardless what type of game in what type of genre? doesn't every gamer feels he deserves to have that ONE game he/she will truly love playing? I really hope anyone into games will find THAT game to love playing, but also hope people can have realistic views on what to expect from what and who.

And, did you honestly expect the King of D20-esque Single Player RPGs to come out with a sandbox? Seriously, did you expect that?

Short anwers NOPE

I don't think we wanted SWG 2.0 but we did want something different.  Antoher MMO clone set in the Star Wars theme is just sad to us...

I would ask you why be offended that we wanted more from this game??

When they said this game was being developed by Bioware all of us were excited, because Bioware has a rep for being innovative, this game described by them is not innovative and will simply be more of the same old thing (with a great story)  in a Star Wars skin....

Is that good enough??

Not for me it isn't.....

Originally posted by Balkin31

I don't think we wanted SWG 2.0 but we did want something different.  Antoher MMO clone set in the Star Wars theme is just sad to us...

I would ask you why be offended that we wanted more from this game??

 

When they said this game was being developed by Bioware all of us were excited, because Bioware has a rep for being innovative, this game described by them is not innovative and will simply be more of the same old thing (with a great story)  in a Star Wars skin....

Is that good enough??

Not for me it isn't.....

I don't believe there has ever been an MMO with a great story.  Blizzard develops games that are about collecting loot and sometimes interacting with others while doing it.  That is their primary focus. 

I've never seen Bioware as an innovative developer.  They have made many RPGs that I enjoy and I know what to expect from them generally.  Thats a good story and well developed NPC characters.  Lots of choices that lead down a path of good or evil with the possability to switch sides.

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by star.buck

Why does this game need to be SWGv2.0? WHY?

I am a ex SWG player but don't want Bioware's Tor to be a SWGv2.0, I know and I bet allot of other Bioware game gamers know what Bioware is good at, have they ever created a sandbox single player game, well not as far I see a sandbox game they havn't, so it's kinda inlogical to even asume SWTOR would be anything like SWG

It seems that there's been a lot of sh** thrown around (both here and at the official forums) at Bioware about -not- making a SWG-esque sandbox.

Probably by people that are totally unaware of what Bioware is really good at, they are story tellers, there own words

I ask you this, why? Why do you hold this attitude of self-entitlement?

Okay with this you must mean that very small minority that often can be very loud about their dislike of SOE/SWG

Why do YOU deserve a game? Did SOE shaft you so badly that you can play no other game and you feel the need to bitch and moan until you get what you want? 

Well, doesn't this go for about any type of gamer regardless what type of game in what type of genre? doesn't every gamer feels he deserves to have that ONE game he/she will truly love playing? I really hope anyone into games will find THAT game to love playing, but also hope people can have realistic views on what to expect from what and who.

And, did you honestly expect the King of D20-esque Single Player RPGs to come out with a sandbox? Seriously, did you expect that?

Short anwers NOPE

 

Bah, so the sh** storm just seems to be coming from the vocal minority, I guess I should've expected that....

*is a sociology major, and should know that the loudest whiners are typically the smallest in numbers; it's been that way for a long while*

@ Ravanos

This is definitely not an 'I told you so' post. If it was, I would've said 'I told you so' somewhere in it. I simply do not understand why people still insist on this game being their 'savior'.

Bioware is bringing a new element to the MMO-genre that (at least in the 7 years I've been playing MMOs) I haven't seen - story? I know a lot of people are already bitching about immersion, but isn't this immersion? That alone screams that it won't be 'the same rehashed sh*t'.

And I completely disagree with your opinion and thinking that Bioware somehow is a sellout. It seems from what we know, that they're following at least some elements of the standard MMO formula, with a lovely dash of Bioware inginuity. Granted, in 5 months I could be eating these words, but for now, I think it's safe to assume that we won't be getting the same-old-same-old. And hey, if we do, as long as it's fun...

/shrug

Originally posted by star.buck

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by star.buck

Why does this game need to be SWGv2.0? WHY?

I am a ex SWG player but don't want Bioware's Tor to be a SWGv2.0, I know and I bet allot of other Bioware game gamers know what Bioware is good at, have they ever created a sandbox single player game, well not as far I see a sandbox game they havn't, so it's kinda inlogical to even asume SWTOR would be anything like SWG

It seems that there's been a lot of sh** thrown around (both here and at the official forums) at Bioware about -not- making a SWG-esque sandbox.

Probably by people that are totally unaware of what Bioware is really good at, they are story tellers, there own words

I ask you this, why? Why do you hold this attitude of self-entitlement?

Okay with this you must mean that very small minority that often can be very loud about their dislike of SOE/SWG

Why do YOU deserve a game? Did SOE shaft you so badly that you can play no other game and you feel the need to bitch and moan until you get what you want? 

Well, doesn't this go for about any type of gamer regardless what type of game in what type of genre? doesn't every gamer feels he deserves to have that ONE game he/she will truly love playing? I really hope anyone into games will find THAT game to love playing, but also hope people can have realistic views on what to expect from what and who.

And, did you honestly expect the King of D20-esque Single Player RPGs to come out with a sandbox? Seriously, did you expect that?

Short anwers NOPE

 

Bah, so the sh** storm just seems to be coming from the vocal minority, I guess I should've expected that....

*is a sociology major, and should know that the loudest whiners are typically the smallest in numbers; it's been that way for a long while*

@ Ravanos

This is definitely not an 'I told you so' post. If it was, I would've said 'I told you so' somewhere in it. I simply do not understand why people still insist on this game being their 'savior'.

Bioware is bringing a new element to the MMO-genre that (at least in the 7 years I've been playing MMOs) I haven't seen - story? I know a lot of people are already bitching about immersion, but isn't this immersion? That alone screams that it won't be 'the same rehashed sh*t'.

And I completely disagree with your opinion and thinking that Bioware somehow is a sellout. It seems from what we know, that they're following at least some elements of the standard MMO formula, with a lovely dash of Bioware inginuity. Granted, in 5 months I could be eating these words, but for now, I think it's safe to assume that we won't be getting the same-old-same-old. And hey, if we do, as long as it's fun...

/shrug

 

 

Meh those on Forums are a very small percentage of any games player base. I will point out that it was a universal dissapointment when SWG went from Sandbox to NGE. As for the Story aspect yes that will be unique if Citedal of Sorcery is for some reason scrapped which has been in development for awhile. 

In any case it's far to early to tell or make any assumptions as for what it will bring. Being a themepark  I could say it's safe to say it will be bringing more of the same but it's to early for me to say that as it is to early for you to say the opposite.

In any case I am just a bit dissapointed that LA went this route after how they tried to blame SOE for NGE and now they are going even farther. So I can say with confidence that LA is to blame for NGE. Unless many including myself have misjuged what SW:TOR will be like. So only time will tell and I will visit this forum and there website in around 6 months for an update.

Originally posted by Flyte27

 

I don't believe there has ever been an MMO with a great story.  Blizzard develops games that are about collecting loot and sometimes interacting with others while doing it.  That is their primary focus. 

I've never seen Bioware as an innovative developer.  They have made many RPGs that I enjoy and I know what to expect from them generally.  Thats a good story and well developed NPC characters.  Lots of choices that lead down a path of good or evil with the possability to switch sides.

Exactly. WOW essentially is a diablo MMO focusing on cool combat, loot  and power gaming (although the art style is different).

TOR will be story focused. There is NO story focused MMO on teh market right now. I am glad to see that they are doing something new.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Flyte27

 

I don't believe there has ever been an MMO with a great story.  Blizzard develops games that are about collecting loot and sometimes interacting with others while doing it.  That is their primary focus. 

I've never seen Bioware as an innovative developer.  They have made many RPGs that I enjoy and I know what to expect from them generally.  Thats a good story and well developed NPC characters.  Lots of choices that lead down a path of good or evil with the possability to switch sides.

 

Exactly. WOW essentially is a diablo MMO focusing on cool combat, loot  and power gaming (although the art style is different).

TOR will be story focused. There is NO story focused MMO on teh market right now. I am glad to see that they are doing something new.

I agree and I'm taking that form the 1up article where they said WoW is mostly about getting a lot of loot and repeating the same instances/monsters over and over again for loot.  It typical Bioware fashion they would like to make the game focused more on story then loot and to remove doing the same instance or killing the same mob over and over again.
 

Originally posted by Balkin31

I don't think we wanted SWG 2.0 but we did want something different.  Antoher MMO clone set in the Star Wars theme is just sad to us...

I would ask you why be offended that we wanted more from this game??

 

When they said this game was being developed by Bioware all of us were excited, because Bioware has a rep for being innovative, this game described by them is not innovative and will simply be more of the same old thing (with a great story)  in a Star Wars skin....

Is that good enough??

Not for me it isn't.....

I greatly admire BioWare as a company, but I would never call them innovative.  Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect... it's the same game over and over.  BioWare is an epic game developer because, like Blizzard, they pay extra special attention to the QUALITY of their work.  You'll never see BioWare pull an NGE.  It just won't happen, BioWare has a reputation to uphold.

If you go and play Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, or Mass Effect (and soon Dragon Age), I think you'll get more of an idea of what to expect from The Old Republic.  Granted, this will be slightly different by virtue of being an MMO, but the overall philosophy is the same.

I wouldn't want BioWare to do a sandbox style game because that's not what they're good at.  Maybe you'll get your sandbox from Bethesda Game Studios, they're masters of the sandbox.  But not BioWare.  And if you've followed this game at all in the last few years you'd already know that one of the first things out of BioWare's mouth was that it would not be sandbox.

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by star.buck

Why does this game need to be SWGv2.0? WHY?

I am a ex SWG player but don't want Bioware's Tor to be a SWGv2.0, I know and I bet allot of other Bioware game gamers know what Bioware is good at, have they ever created a sandbox single player game, well not as far I see a sandbox game they havn't, so it's kinda inlogical to even asume SWTOR would be anything like SWG

It seems that there's been a lot of sh** thrown around (both here and at the official forums) at Bioware about -not- making a SWG-esque sandbox.

Probably by people that are totally unaware of what Bioware is really good at, they are story tellers, there own words

I ask you this, why? Why do you hold this attitude of self-entitlement?

Okay with this you must mean that very small minority that often can be very loud about their dislike of SOE/SWG

Why do YOU deserve a game? Did SOE shaft you so badly that you can play no other game and you feel the need to bitch and moan until you get what you want? 

Well, doesn't this go for about any type of gamer regardless what type of game in what type of genre? doesn't every gamer feels he deserves to have that ONE game he/she will truly love playing? I really hope anyone into games will find THAT game to love playing, but also hope people can have realistic views on what to expect from what and who.

And, did you honestly expect the King of D20-esque Single Player RPGs to come out with a sandbox? Seriously, did you expect that?

Short anwers NOPE

 

Reklaw answered well enough, I'll second him/her on this one.  I'm a Pre-CU Vet who also played NWN and NWN2, as well as the KotORs and I cannot see The Old Republic being anything like SWG nor would I want it to be.  Yes, I would like nothing more than to have Pre-NGE SWG back, but I also want to see what Bioware can do with the IP.
 

Originally posted by Balkin31

I don't think we wanted SWG 2.0 but we did want something different.  Antoher MMO clone set in the Star Wars theme is just sad to us...

I would ask you why be offended that we wanted more from this game??

 

When they said this game was being developed by Bioware all of us were excited, because Bioware has a rep for being innovative, this game described by them is not innovative and will simply be more of the same old thing (with a great story)  in a Star Wars skin....

Is that good enough??

Not for me it isn't.....

so your way is better and you are lauding it over everyone? Right?

SWG is by far the best MMO to ever come out.

Originally posted by Drakxii

We just want it to be, because does the world really need another wow clone that does so little right? 

 

Do you really want to pay for another game of solo quest grinding for like 60-100 hours and then your only options are to raid or make a new character?

What this guy said.

And why are people getting so excited like no mmo has ever had story in it.  I guess people don't read the quests in mmo's, but there is plenty of story out there. 

SWG even had decision trees in some of their quests so Bioware doing it isn't 'revolutionary' at all.  Ofcourse, Bioware may do it better...but that would be evolutionary not revolutionary.

The same blabla as Age of Conan .... You're a hero ... story driven .... bla bla bla ...

Half the AoC players i spoke told me that questing for them in AoC is pressing 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 The only reason they love the main story line quests is for the stat-rewards.

Half the kotor /ME players i spoke told me the same ... they read the first few quests ... then just start randomly clickingas it gets to dreadfull to read.

I think only few people have the interest or attention span to read the quest text, all the rest doesn't care and only wants to kill, loot and socialise. Preferably in the way they choose.  A "day-in-the-life-of" so to speak.

This game whill hold it subscribers for maximum a few months, story telling gets old fast. While an open world might maybe attract less people, those will stay for years, and they will tell and create their own stories.