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  iamspamicus

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10/22/08 9:46:32 AM#21

It's too bad they didn't get the people who did the art for the Force Unleashed 360 game. I just rented that last night and  the character designs are  really  cool. I would have loved to run around looking as bad ass as the apprentice.

I think in the end it's all about how fun the game is. I have played plenty of f2p pretty  MMOs that  had horrible gameplay. I think I would have more fun if it were not so great looking but fun to play.

  charlizd

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10/22/08 9:47:20 AM#22

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

  Fadedbomb

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OP  10/22/08 9:48:49 AM#23
Originally posted by iamspamicus

It's too bad they didn't get the people who did the art for the Force Unleashed 360 game. I just rented that last night and  the character designs are  really  cool. I would have loved to run around looking as bad ass as the apprentice.

I think in the end it's all about how fun the game is. I have played plenty of f2p pretty  MMOs that  had horrible gameplay. I think I would have more fun if it were not so great looking but fun to play.

 

I agree, they did very well with the graphical art and style of Force Unleashed. In "some" places it felt kind of weird, but overall they did fine.

SW:TOR looks like a really bad saturday mourning Anime. It looks more like Electric-Plumbers: Online, rather than anything remotely resembling Star Wars.

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  Fadedbomb

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OP  10/22/08 9:50:42 AM#24
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact

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  Terranah

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10/22/08 9:52:25 AM#25

I'd have to see more screenshots to really feel comfortable with my conclusion, but based on what I have seen so far I would say I am not liking the graphics.  They appear to be going with a more stylized approach, but then even for stylized I don't find them particularly appealing.  At this point, SWG graphical style looks better...

 

On the other hand, if this is what i have to look at to have good framerates, so be it.  Performance and gameplay will trump graphics, and the graphics while unappealing to me personally are not a deal breaker.

  singsofdeath

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10/22/08 9:54:26 AM#26
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact

 

Ever considered that they do not build this game just for those?

 

Seriously, many SWG Vet's seem to think BioWare is there to please only them. That's a little weird to think, don't you agree?

 

Edit: @Terranah: As i said earlier, I personally so far have a big problem with the Lightsabers. The character models are...meh so far. Nothing big, nothing too bad. The backgrounds and the rest of the art seem to be perfectly fine in my eyes. But as you said, in no way is anything I have seen so far a dealbraker.

  CujoSWAoA

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10/22/08 9:55:11 AM#27

The original Trilogy of Star Wars is dead.

Now everything is stylized cartoon sh**.

  Fadedbomb

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OP  10/22/08 9:56:31 AM#28
Originally posted by Terranah

I'd have to see more screenshots to really feel comfortable with my conclusion, but based on what I have seen so far I would say I am not liking the graphics.  They appear to be going with a more stylized approach, but then even for stylized I don't find them particularly appealing.  At this point, SWG graphical style looks better...

 

On the other hand, if this is what i have to look at to have good framerates, so be it.  Performance and gameplay will trump graphics, and the graphics while unappealing to me personally are not a deal breaker.

 

More screenies 4 you:

and one more:

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  Burnthebed

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10/22/08 9:58:29 AM#29
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact


 

Wait, George Lucas? I didn't know you post here!!!!

Oh wait, you're not George Lucas? Then why should anyone listen to what YOU think Star Wars should look like?

Also, please follow this link and tell me how THAT screen looks anything like Tabula Rasa now.

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/016/016535/img_2115414.html

That is from 2004 when the game was in ALPHA testing, but then again you were there so you know that right?

 

The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.

  Fadedbomb

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OP  10/22/08 9:58:50 AM#30
Originally posted by singsofdeath
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact

 

Ever considered that they do not build this game just for those?

 

Seriously, many SWG Vet's seem to think BioWare is there to please only them. That's a little weird to think, don't you agree?

 

Edit: @Terranah: As i said earlier, I personally so far have a big problem with the Lightsabers. The character models are...meh so far. Nothing big, nothing too bad. The backgrounds and the rest of the art seem to be perfectly fine in my eyes. But as you said, in no way is anything I have seen so far a dealbraker.

 

My Apologies singsofdeath, I'm just outright pissed off with how cartoony and Anime'ish this looks. I'm not going to jump to conclussions just yet, but if they don't do anything drastic before launch, they have officially killed the Star Wars Genre in terms of gaming.

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  charlizd

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10/22/08 9:58:54 AM#31
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact

 

Again you are making assumptions and am telling me of what i am or i am not? how in the hell do you not know i am that i am a Star wars fan? and that i have not been following the franchise for over 10 years? and how does this give you any more credibility because you have, so you are telling me that becuase you class yourself ans a star wars geek you have more rights than me as to how the series and game should be? you my friend need to take a look at yourself and get off your high horse, you , and i dont care how long youhave been following Star Wars franchise have no more right than any other person out there to anything other than your opinion, and please dont judge what i am without knowing me to begin with.

  Darkened

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10/22/08 10:01:18 AM#32
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

 

You obviously didn't alpha test Tabula Rasa. The overall graphical art style remained the absolute same. The only thing that changed between alpha and launch about the graphics were the "enhancements", aka: Anti-Aliasing, Vsync, shader enhancements, and shadows. Oh, and btw I didn't keep up with the alpha "screenshots", because I was too busy ACTUALLY testing it and immersed within them, rather than sitting on a website looking at several month old screenshots.

 

No, it didn't. The entire engine was scrapped and massively overhauled during the initial stages of pre-production, they decided it didn't fit the vision they had for the style of game.

They then implemented the current system, try finding some screens of what TR originally was going to look like and then tell me the game remained "absolutely the same" in terms of graphics, from alpha to launch.

You were never involved in the alpha or any early stages of testing, that much is blatently obvious to those of us that were.

  Fadedbomb

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OP  10/22/08 10:02:30 AM#33
Originally posted by charlizd
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact

 

Again you are making assumptions and am telling me of what i am or i am not? how in the hell do you not know i am that i am a Star wars fan? and that i have not been following the franchise for over 10 years? and how does this give you any more credibility because you have, so you are telling me that becuase you class yourself ans a star wars geek you have more rights than me as to how the series and game should be? you my friend need to take a look at yourself and get off your high horse, you , and i dont care how long youhave been following Star Wars franchise have no more right than any other person out there to anything other than your opinion, and please dont judge what i am without knowing me to begin with.

 

I've not made a single assumption about you. Any Star Wars fan could tell by how your defending Bioware's chosen art-style that your not a "Star Wars" individual, and I'm also not making assumptions by the fact I know the general age of the Star Wars franchise's player base is something around the 30s range, of whom are not particular fans of a company taking a realistically based genre and spinning it into that of a WoW copycat.

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  Fadedbomb

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OP  10/22/08 10:03:44 AM#34
Originally posted by Burnthebed
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact


 

Wait, George Lucas? I didn't know you post here!!!!

Oh wait, you're not George Lucas? Then why should anyone listen to what YOU think Star Wars should look like?

Also, please follow this link and tell me how THAT screen looks anything like Tabula Rasa now.

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/016/016535/img_2115414.html

That is from 2004 when the game was in ALPHA testing, but then again you were there so you know that right?

 

 

Sorry, I was making a bad joke about Tabula Rasa. What I was trying to get across is that they remained with their art-style from alpha to launch, ie: complete horse crap. Then again I was intending for it to be a really bad joke, I thought you'd get it....my bad :)!

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  Burnthebed

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10/22/08 10:04:35 AM#35
Originally posted by Darkened
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

 

You obviously didn't alpha test Tabula Rasa. The overall graphical art style remained the absolute same. The only thing that changed between alpha and launch about the graphics were the "enhancements", aka: Anti-Aliasing, Vsync, shader enhancements, and shadows. Oh, and btw I didn't keep up with the alpha "screenshots", because I was too busy ACTUALLY testing it and immersed within them, rather than sitting on a website looking at several month old screenshots.

 

No, it didn't. The entire engine was scrapped and massively overhauled during the initial stages of pre-production, they decided it didn't fit the vision they had for the style of game.

They then implemented the current system, try finding some screens of what TR originally was going to look like and then tell me the game remained "absolutely the same" in terms of graphics, from alpha to launch.

You were never involved in the alpha or any early stages of testing, that much is blatently obvious to those of us that were.


 

Thank God someone else remembers what Tabula Rasa was before it became what it is =P

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  purpose

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10/22/08 10:04:46 AM#36

I personally dont care if these screens are fresh from current builds or just eye candy, All i care about is that bioware does a good job and gives back an swg that will develop at the very least a community like precu. I  thought about it all day yesterday during the press conf release that I was listening to. I accept this the kotor era and everyone is gonna be running around lightsaber happy, I accept the fact jedi probably wont be earned but just clicky, all i care about is that we have mass amount of profession to choose from, detail character creation, and community that rocks old school. Went a little off topic a bit  but anyway who cares about graphics from what Ive gathered over the course of time and data that been release from steam from time to time is the majory of ppl havent updated there graphic card is a long time specially in the time frame max to play wow a recommend but this just an observation ive notice this doesnt include everyone. But graphic really dont matter

  singsofdeath

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10/22/08 10:06:47 AM#37
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by singsofdeath
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact

 

Ever considered that they do not build this game just for those?

 

Seriously, many SWG Vet's seem to think BioWare is there to please only them. That's a little weird to think, don't you agree?

 

Edit: @Terranah: As i said earlier, I personally so far have a big problem with the Lightsabers. The character models are...meh so far. Nothing big, nothing too bad. The backgrounds and the rest of the art seem to be perfectly fine in my eyes. But as you said, in no way is anything I have seen so far a dealbraker.

 

My Apologies singsofdeath, I'm just outright pissed off with how cartoony and Anime'ish this looks. I'm not going to jump to conclussions just yet, but if they don't do anything drastic before launch, they have officially killed the Star Wars Genre in terms of gaming.

Apologies are not necessary. I know how hotblooded things can get when one is a fan.

 

I really like Star Wars. And I am looking forward to this, despite the graphics so far. For the most part, that is because I believe in BioWare to deliver a quality game.

 

I just hope people keep an open mind to this, especially when the announcement is only a day old.

 

  ElRenmazuo

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10/22/08 10:07:08 AM#38

Even if the graphics look like that I realy hope they get the animations right.  For instance when running I want to feel like my characters feet are hitting the ground and the ground reacting the right way depending on what type it is.  Also I want  the sounds to be accurate too. 

And other things such as putting away weapons such as light sabers on my hip.  Or grabbing them with force before a fight.

  Bigdavo

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10/22/08 10:07:38 AM#39

The screenshots are pre-alpha and the game only got announced 2 days ago you miserable dolt! Yet here you are bitching, my goodness, I think this forum will soon see the worst of the Ex-AoC/Ex-WAR crowd.

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  Burnthebed

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10/22/08 10:07:55 AM#40
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Burnthebed
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by charlizd

Why do ppl think because they dont like something that every 1 else should accept there opinion? Maybe others like the Artstyle OP and they dont want it changed, maybe ppl like how the new series looks, why is it because you dont ike it does it have to be changed? i know this is what in your opinion should be changed but you are coming across as if you are the higher voice that should be listened to.

Maybe base your argument off of your opinion instead of making assumptions as to what everyone else wants and likes.

 

I don't have to simply because you've already made the point that your not a StarWars fan, nor have you been following the franchise of games and books for over 10years. I'm sorry that you like the Anime Art-Style they are going with, but quite frankly it just is NOT Star Wars, and they will fail horribly trying to attain the NGE-Refugees from SWG.

 

-Fact


 

Wait, George Lucas? I didn't know you post here!!!!

Oh wait, you're not George Lucas? Then why should anyone listen to what YOU think Star Wars should look like?

Also, please follow this link and tell me how THAT screen looks anything like Tabula Rasa now.

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/016/016535/img_2115414.html

That is from 2004 when the game was in ALPHA testing, but then again you were there so you know that right?

 

 

Sorry, I was making a bad joke about Tabula Rasa. What I was trying to get across is that they remained with their art-style from alpha to launch, ie: complete horse crap. Then again I was intending for it to be a really bad joke, I thought you'd get it....my bad :)!


 

Eh, no worries, sorry I didn't catch on.

Here is my advice, and of course take it with a grain of salt because who the hell am I right? But yeah, my advice is to just hang back for a while and let them hesh out what their vision is of the game, and eventually you will know whether or not to play it. Though I personally think those current screens are far below what I'd like for the game (I'd personally like something more akin to Force unleashed...realistic) I'm gonna wait to pass judgement till it is closer to release.

Though I can understand why you're upset, seeing as we've all been waiting on this announcement for like 2+ years and when it came it's, well,  "Eh"

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