http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/palin_gay_marriage

Palin wants a ban on gay marriage at the federal level.  Is it really that big a deal?  Why do conservatives have to stick their nose in everyone else's business with their moral bullshit?  They talk about small government, but when it comes to morals, they want to build a police force like in the middle east to make sure people arent holding hands in public.

Mind your own F'ing business.

If gay people wanna get married then you have to let them.   They deserve the rights of liberty and the pursuit of happiness as much as anyone else.  I just do not understand why this is even an issue, why there is even a question, why there are STILL people with a hair up their ass about gay people and why they get a voice.

Not to mention that marriage between straight people is a big enough joke as it is.  But maybe that's their plan and it starts with banning gay marriage.  Make marriage so serious it can't possibly be a joke. 

Maybe people like Palin would make laws requiring men to marry any woman they impregnate, make anyone trying to get a divorce face jail time for violating "moral" laws.  ...Devices which monitor brain activity for thoughts of infidently to issue stiff fines.  ...like a band that goes around your head with a tiny beeper-sized printer attached to it to spit out "naughty tickets" right  there.  Oh and it could light up all day so everyone would know that you thought about having sex with not-your-wife, so you could be judged... OH how conservatives LOVE to judge.

Maybe people like Palin are just bat-shit crazy and they have no business in America's government.  The republican party will never get any respect with people like her in it.

Palin = Female Bush.

So the nonsensical 'defense of marriage act' would be replaced with the new 'really strong defense of marriage act?' 

Well, apparently the new strategy is to energize the very base McCain did the worst with in 2000, while alienating the people that McCain did successfully win in 2000. 

Desperation tactics indeed.  Fortunately our future President, Obama, doesn't appear to have any intention of doing anything like this, so between that and the (it's looking hopeful) defeat of the California amendment, we'll be good.  Obviously no way Bush is getting something this big passed before he passes out of office.

Well to be fair Obama has policies that piss me off  too.  He wants more gun control, favors affirmative action, opposes nuclear power- but at least I understand his logic for those policies even if I disagree with them.  "Defense of Marriage" though is just straight up BS.

Last time I checked, Palin isn't running for President.  McCain is.  McCain is opposed to a federal ban on gay marriage and thinks its up to the states.  This is the stance I agree with.  I don't want someone from Vermont or Alaska legislating whats best here in California.

Originally posted by declaredemer

Palin = Female Bush.

That's funny, but not for the reason you thought.

Originally posted by Cleffy

Last time I checked, Palin isn't running for President.  McCain is.  McCain is opposed to a federal ban on gay marriage and thinks its up to the states.  This is the stance I agree with.  I don't want someone from Vermont or Alaska legislating whats best here in California.

No, Palin's running for vice president, on the ticket with a presidential candidate who is 72 years old and has a history of melanoma, therefore has higher than average possiblity of being asked to assume the office.

Also, she apparently is in disagreement with the top of the ticket on this matter.

Since no one has EVER propoosed that various religious bodies be compelled to bless any marriage at all, that only the state's role in marriage is at stake here, religious objections are utterly moot.

Totally religious gay marriages have taken place for decades in this country.

Palin has a fundamental belief that marriage is a special relationship to be shared between teenagers who are about to become parents thru natural childbirth.

Gays can't qualify for that......

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by declaredemer

Palin = Female Bush.

That's funny, but not for the reason you thought.

lol.. ya I thought the same thing

The United States is still stuck in the stoneage as far as gay marriage is concerned.

Originally posted by Gameloading

The United States is still stuck in the stoneage as far as gay marriage is concerned.

And many several other issues.

Last time I checked, the US Constitution didn't authorize the Federal Government to involve itself in things like marriage licenses and who can obtain one. So, if Palin and her ilk want to create some sort of federal-level moratorium on issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples, they're going to need to get a constitutional amendment passed. Chances of that happening? Slim to none.

Originally posted by Tuor7

Last time I checked, the US Constitution didn't authorize the Federal Government to involve itself in things like marriage licenses and who can obtain one. So, if Palin and her ilk want to create some sort of federal-level moratorium on issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples, they're going to need to get a constitutional amendment passed. Chances of that happening? Slim to none.

Yeah just like the Constitution doesn't allow the federal government to force individuals ot provide abortions and morning after pills yet that is what they do. 

Some how it has become illegal to refuse to sell the morning after pill if your personal beliefs are against abortion. 

One of the first bills Obama wants to pass is to make Abortion not only completely legal but to strip states of all laws they currently have in place.  Including laws about parental notification and bans on which trimester an abortion can be performed.  He also wants to make it a tax subsidized procedure for low income individuals. 

So that means that even if I am against abortion my tax dollars will be going to support it.  Which is a complete crock of BS and might just lead to another Civil War. Between the issue of Abortion and Gun Control, Obama could be the next President to fracture the Union. 

That's just another of the plethora of reasons I have for not voting for Obama. OTOH, I'll not be voting for McCain, either.

More generally, this usurption of power by the federal government has been going on for a long, long time. It is, sadly, foolish for us to hope that this trend will reverse itself... ever.

People have such short memories, and when you start going between multiple generations, it's much worse: we don't even realize how far things have gone because we're so absorbed with the way things are *now*.

At any rate, the various trends driving us along are there to be seen by those who want to look. And for those who don't, there's no point in trying to force them to look at something they don't want to see.

Obama is doing you a favor by helping women get abortions.  You're a conservative, you understand fiscal responsibility?  How many more welfare babies do you really want in and out of the system? 

I just dont think people really care enough about fetuses and guns to start a civil war.  And if thats the case- you can keep take half of the union.  Keep it and get the hell away from me. Enjoy conservativeland where people reproduce in a lab because sex is illegal, as is everything else that brings any form of joy to an individual's life- including having to give up your dreams because you got knocked up at 15 and the law says you gotta pop that bastard out.

Originally posted by wonderwhoits

Obama is doing you a favor by helping women get abortions.  Your a conservative, you understand fiscal reponsibility?  How many more welfare babies do you really want in and out of the system? 

There shouldn't be a welfare system.  That is irresponsible in the first place.  The Federal Government has no right to provide all of these social programs. 

I just dont think people really care enough about fetuses and guns to start a civil war.  And if thats the case- you can keep take half of the union, keep it and get the hell away from me and enjoy conservative land where people reproduce in a lab because sex is illegal, as is everything else that brings any form of joy to an individual's life- including having to give up your dreams because you got knocked up at 15 and the law says you gotta pop that bastard out.

 What a moronic straw man arguement.  If you can't have an abortion to quickly get out of your mistake and the government isn't going to pay for your mistake then guess what?   Less girls will make that mistake.  Teen pregnancy was a lot less of an issue before abortion became legal.  How can people not see that it is the epitome of do as I say and not as I do.  Oh you shouldn't have underage sex but if you do there are no consequences because your pal the Tax payer will take care of it for you.  It is a pathetic system that doesn't even resemble the great Nation we once were. 

Palin also said the polar bears can evolve if their ice melts too.

Look on the bright side, you've had one retard in office for 8 years, so what could possibly go wrong if you get another (assuming McCain dies and she takes over).

Same sex marriage seems to me to be one of those things that would be unconstitutional to ban on any level.

It would be like banning marriage between black people, unequal treatment under law.

Then of course there are those people that get pissy if you call it marriage and demand for it to be called civil unions, but I say drop marriage entirely and everyone gets civil unions.

I wonder if either extreme side would be ok with civil unions?

My take on the whole thing.

If you see marriage as a religious ceremony I can see why you would be against a gay couple taking what is your religious ceremony and twisting it. We have religious freedom so I don’t think you should be allowed to force a religion to do something it doesn't want to. That being said I don’t think the government should be in the business of issuing marriage licenses. They should only offer civil union licenses and the church should offer marriage licenses. This way under the law a gay couple is seen the same but you are not taking away religious freedom of others.