When I was playing my first char in Destruction, we always notice that  bright wizard is always on top of the dmg chart in every SC.. ok.. fine.. 1 Bright Wizard.. won't change the whole game.

Now, I hv my 2nd character in destruction and I am at 18 now. I hv not won a single SC for more than 2 days of play time. I believe that the Order of our server already knows the ridiculous DPS of BW. In every SC, there are 4-5 BW joining! We try hard to do anything we can do.. Charge in .... focus killing the BW.... whatever we do.. all failed! They simply DOT all of us while running around and kill any of us easily in less than 5 seconds. 

Now I really don't wanna join the SC.. Going in means nothing but being killed and killed again. It is simply ridiculous to use 3 instant cast DOT to kill anybody easily. 

sorry but this sounds like just another whine.  when you start saying they can kill everyone with 3 DoTs you invalidate your argument.  BWs are nukers, they give up everything for damage, and do well.

order has a lot of nukers because they have almost no tanks, and destro has lots of tanks.  tanks make a much bigger difference later in the game.

if you are dying to 3 BW DoTs... you need to work on something... anything.  maybe stop going into fights with 5-7x wounds debuff on from deaths.  or just make a sorc and see how much you like being a nuker, they kill themselves a lot.

Destruction complaining Order is overpowered?

I played a BW in beta (which isn't a full perspective of the game, I know, but it's a glimpse).  Destro has tanks like crazy.  I could kill a tank solo maybe, but even if I've got a healer or two, I can't take an equal number of tanks..

Originally posted by tool089

Destruction complaining Order is overpowered?

I played a BW in beta (which isn't a full perspective of the game, I know, but it's a glimpse).  Destro has tanks like crazy.  I could kill a tank solo maybe, but even if I've got a healer or two, I can't take an equal number of tanks..

I tell you what, I have one on one soloed the hell out of every BW I have come across, and if you are telling me that you single handedly took a tank out with a BW, then he/she must of been AFK at the keyboard, a suck ass tank or very...very...very new at the game.

hmm.. I am not complaining about a single BW dps. But a team of 3 or more BW doing DOT Spamming. I am a healer myself. Our healer and I try hard to keep our tank or dps survive.. However, we can't. In every SC, they simply spam their DOT to anyone they meet. No matter how we heal, we can't keep anyone getting spammed DOT alive. Our team has been retrying the SC for more than 10 times.  What we can do is give up at last. So if there is any solution to their DOT spam, please post here. We would be really appreciate it.

(We also hv the BW counterpart SOC, 2-3 per SC, they can't even comparre with any BW  due to the cast time they hv. )

I really have no reason to lie, but if someone wants to say I am whatever. But

 My wife has been thinking about playing WaR with me. Now she was an avid WoW player so shes not hardly total noob to mmorpgs. Anyhow she was trying it out and checking to see if it runs alright on her computer (It doesnt :( )

 Anyway I had her queue up, and she asked what spells to use. I told her she only needed 3 buttons. As I explained them

First one was Boiling Blood (Single target dot)

Second one was Ignite (Single target dot)

Final one was Detonate (AE dot)

Never playing WaR ever before, on a machine that ran it like total and utter crap. My wife got second place in overall damage, 3 in kills. After it was over we decided it was too laggy and we have to get her better system (Been couple years).

 I play bright wizard, its a great class but truthfully i've played others. It is pure god mode. I'm not talking one on one since this is a group RvR game. I played my white lion and I couldn't walk 5 feet without having a bright wizard in my face cause everyone sees/hears how they do.

 The class is fine but that immolation tree is hugely overpowered. She wasn't even using playing with fire either.

 I don't care to call my own class out and say sure we need a nerf in this area. Every range class complains about their damage, compared to that of a bright wizard. I mean come on, i'm hardly the greatest player but I haven't "Never" once I hit T2 up got below 3rd in damage just using 3 dots. I get my fair share of killing blows with that damage also.

 Like I said its not the Bright WIzards thats broke its the immolation tree. So when they do nerf my Bright Wizard I am not going to be upset. Because I already know they are overpowered, I know they are due for a nerf, and I know the other two trees both do great damage also. Finally, I will know the class i'm playing is same RDPS class everyone is rerolling to as flavor of the month.

Sorry but noone should walk into this game and just get number 2 in damage, huge renown, etc etc  not knowing what any of the buttons do but 3. and getting tops 5 FPS

glad to see a BW telling the truth.. :)

dude i play a mar and i rolled every BW i saw with ease t1 t2 higher up tiers 3 and 4 you need to make sure you have good ele resist and will own BW 1v1 give him a healer and me not have one sucks. dont get me wrong BW are strong but with my 45% resist to ele there not that bad. get your resist up all i gotta say

As a general rule with most MMOs (and especially this one) I stop reading after I see anyone mention "1v1".

Ive been playing a BW since release and although we deal damage, there are also alot destro healers that counteract our dps.  Plus tanks are all over us asap and i seldom last more then 10 seconds with 3 people on me. I think the OP should create one and get a feel for how tough it is for a BW in pvp.

Originally posted by joeyfishcake

I really have no reason to lie, but if someone wants to say I am whatever. But

 My wife has been thinking about playing WaR with me. Now she was an avid WoW player so shes not hardly total noob to mmorpgs. Anyhow she was trying it out and checking to see if it runs alright on her computer (It doesnt :( )

 Anyway I had her queue up, and she asked what spells to use. I told her she only needed 3 buttons. As I explained them

 

First one was Boiling Blood (Single target dot)

 

Second one was Ignite (Single target dot)

Final one was Detonate (AE dot)

 

Never playing WaR ever before, on a machine that ran it like total and utter crap. My wife got second place in overall damage, 3 in kills. After it was over we decided it was too laggy and we have to get her better system (Been couple years).

 I play bright wizard, its a great class but truthfully i've played others. It is pure god mode. I'm not talking one on one since this is a group RvR game. I played my white lion and I couldn't walk 5 feet without having a bright wizard in my face cause everyone sees/hears how they do.

 The class is fine but that immolation tree is hugely overpowered. She wasn't even using playing with fire either.

 I don't care to call my own class out and say sure we need a nerf in this area. Every range class complains about their damage, compared to that of a bright wizard. I mean come on, i'm hardly the greatest player but I haven't "Never" once I hit T2 up got below 3rd in damage just using 3 dots. I get my fair share of killing blows with that damage also.

 Like I said its not the Bright WIzards thats broke its the immolation tree. So when they do nerf my Bright Wizard I am not going to be upset. Because I already know they are overpowered, I know they are due for a nerf, and I know the other two trees both do great damage also. Finally, I will know the class i'm playing is same RDPS class everyone is rerolling to as flavor of the month.

 

Sorry but noone should walk into this game and just get number 2 in damage, huge renown, etc etc  not knowing what any of the buttons do but 3. and getting tops 5 FPS

 

 

QFT. and any of the BW that come here and they say how hard they have it and how they die etc etc.. are poor players bc,  like  the above quoted player stated anyone with a little common sense and three buttons can do well.. if you did not do well  as a BW then you are a very poor player. hands down

Originally posted by tool089

Destruction complaining Order is overpowered?

I played a BW in beta (which isn't a full perspective of the game, I know, but it's a glimpse).  Destro has tanks like crazy.  I could kill a tank solo maybe, but even if I've got a healer or two, I can't take an equal number of tanks..

OK In almost all classes , order has the benifit of stronger classes.  RP>Zeal, SW>BO, BW > sorc

However, its such a minor effect. PS i seen  a magus on top meters (me), and a sorc (my bro). Maybe order just has higher class players.... nahh BW Do more damage its quite clear... but so what.

Destruction Marauder and Witch Elf is better, and Sorceror is better at AE damage, I would say Shaman is better than Archamge ( I play both Shaman and Archmage ). And I think Black Orc is better than Swordmaster too.

Fix BW's?!?!?! What a laugh. Sounds like you ran into a GROUP of BWs that know how to play well together. How do you "fix" that?!?!?

Oooooh but it gets better as you get higher levels......my menace right now are groups of MAGUS that work together.....they use the good ol" "tractor beam and AOE spam" trick with each one cycling through (since it's like 30 sec timer)....now that SUCKS if your a tank! haha You better have some folks to "silence" them or it's going to be a very no-fun, long day for you. haha

But as has been hashed and rehashed and thrown up and re-eaten and debated and stomped on and re-addressed and over and over and over.....this is NOT a 1-vs-1 game. Each class has it's mirror and past that it has some classes it does better over versus others but the idea is to work as a team that knows how to play off their own strengths and weaknesses to make the OVERALL outcome in your favor. Crazy talk!?!?!? I know.... know....that might require some difficult math for the kiddies.

Maruder is not the equal to WE they are the equal to whitelions.

WE and WH are the pairing.

BWs are more than fine.  Like someone else said....role on to a decent level and youll see.  Also the mirror class can also do just as well if played right.

If you are talking about imbalances i recommend lookin at WE vs WH.  I think the WE is not OP at all...just so im clear...WE is NOT OP....but WH need to be brought up to their level.

And Shaman > AM but not by all that much.

BWs and Sorcereses can do amazing things if played right, but also have huge downsides.

While your at it, might as well remind everyone how OPed Iron Breakers are too. It's funny really, that more than 60-70% of the current players play Destruction, yet Order is OPed. Ya ya, Order looks blah and boring, so who cares if they are underpopulated on a majority of the servers. Thats no reason to give them incentive to gain popularity, right?

Look at it this way folks. Scenarios are controlled RvR environments, as in 6 vs. 6, 12 vs. 12, or 18 vs. 18 and so on. I just got done doing T2 Temple Scenario playing my Warrior Priest and I have to admit, we did win about 25-30 scenarios in a row. But guess what, when I first started playing about a week or two ago, I noticed Order wasn't doing good at all in scenarios, or open RvR objectives or zone control.

Don't know what to tell ya folks. If Destruction is that underpowered, than perhaps they shouldn't own in 70% of the servers due to population zergs.

Welcome to alternative game balancing. The new anti zerg MMO.

With a few exceptions each class has its identical counterpart, the BW counterpart is the Sorcerer, if the sorcerer you play with are not getting the same amount of damage as the BW, then odds are there not speced for max dps, or it could be there gear sucks... Gear and Weapons play a big part in this game..

It's funny because Destruction players say IB's are OP, and Order players say Black Orcs are OP.... around and around it goes.... 

Biggest problem I have with the game is the lack of tanks and healers on the order side, when I do scenarios were lucky if we get 1 or 2 healers or tanks in the group, 90% of the group is DPS'ers...  This is only getting worse, seems nobody wants to play tanks or healers on the Order side..

Originally posted by monoth

With a few exceptions each class has its identical counterpart, the BW counterpart is the Sorcerer, if the sorcerer you play with are not getting the same amount of damage as the BW, then odds are there not speced for max dps, or it could be there gear sucks... Gear and Weapons play a big part in this game..

It's funny because Destruction players say IB's are OP, and Order players say Black Orcs are OP.... around and around it goes.... 

Biggest problem I have with the game is the lack of tanks and healers on the order side, when I do scenarios were lucky if we get 1 or 2 healers or tanks in the group, 90% of the group is DPS'ers...  This is only getting worse, seems nobody wants to play tanks or healers on the Order side..

Yeah but they are not identical they are similar.

I find it funny that most people fail to realize how op SW are. fight with or agist some good ones they tank like gods as long as spec right (they are often not).

Depends on the server I guess. My usual problem in T4 is that there are too many healers.