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Just hoping they learned their lesson. |
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10/21/08 1:50:27 PM#2
That's very bad news if you ask me. Virtual items should not be considered real world goods, it will have all sorts of negative implications for gamers. If the two youths involved were "coercing" the victim they should have been prosecuted for either making threats of violence or some other charge. |
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10/21/08 1:53:51 PM#3
reminds me of long ago, when i was evil and i would trick players of UO into giving me their house deeds because I could "dupe them using linux", as I ran away laughing to the bank. Wonder how many years in prison I would have gotten back in the day, because it took players months to save up for these house deeds and I got about 5 of them doing this. |
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10/21/08 2:00:27 PM#4
Wow. What a terrible idea. Virtual goods should NOT and NEVER be considered real. |
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Forcan
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Joined: 1/08/07
Nov. 15th 2005 |
10/21/08 2:07:14 PM#5
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No other countries better follow this trend, or all MMO players are screwed.
Once the government decided that virtual goods are real, then they can TAX it... And if they scale the tax based on the level your characters? or the value of the in-game good? Be prepare to pay a hefty sum as a raider due to having multiple sets of gears for raiding, and all the new gears you get will be taxed as well...
Now, this will also bring up problems where do you get tax reduction when you sell the item to the NPC vendor, or when you break it down into components to make new items... It'll be very bad for gamers in general. Current MMO: Eden Eternal, Divina (TW Ver.), World of Tanks. Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P) |
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talismen351
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Joined: 11/01/07
"Easy" only equals "better" for crack addicts and MMORPG developers. |
10/21/08 2:10:57 PM#6
Perhaps the charges were more about the fact that the kids 'bullied' the other kid. I doubt the court even cared about the 'virtual items'. My bet it was more to smarten the two bullies up.
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10/21/08 2:11:06 PM#7
Originally posted by mrguy123
It isn't really about what they stole. The verdict was a punishment against the act of stealing itself. In that light, the consequence was quite merciful in my eyes. Blessings, Check out my blog! http://jesuspwns.wordpress.com/ |
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10/21/08 2:55:30 PM#8
Originally posted by MarleVVLL
It isn't really about what they stole. The verdict was a punishment against the act of stealing itself. In that light, the consequence was quite merciful in my eyes. Blessings,
Well the problem is in a lot of people's view taking items from others is part of the game, even if it resolves around scamming or cheating somebody. If I were to take your money in a game of monopoly then should I be prosecuted knowing that it's all going back in the box at the end of the game anyway? Most people would find concept of prosecuting someone for this quite ridiculous. It could be argued that it is cheating, depending on the game, but it certainly is not a crime. If however I was to say "give me your money or I'm going to smash you in face with a cricket bat in real life" and It could reasonably assumed that it was possible for me carry out my threat then this would be possibly an actually real crime. That is what those people should have charged with. If they knew the victim in real life and actually threatened him with physical violence then that is probably an offense in it's own right. They should not charge people with offenses for non real world items, it sets a dangerous precendent. When you are paying capital gains tax for your ingame items you will realise why people are so against this. |
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10/21/08 2:58:19 PM#9
Originally posted by talismen351
Yeah this is what it sounded like to me. They didn't really care about whether the items were virtual or not, but that there was indeed a "theft" at all. They only got community service anyways, so it's not like it's a big deal. I doubt such a minor case will be setting precedents for the rest of the world. |
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10/21/08 2:59:23 PM#10
Originally posted by talismen351
That's possible. Quite frankly, if they were my kids (not that I have or want them) and they did this, community service would be the least of their worries. I would start by deleting their accounts. |
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10/21/08 3:02:19 PM#11
Originally posted by Blodpls
It doesn't all go back in the box at the end of the game, though. Runescape is a persistent world like any other, and these kids knowingly tricked a third into giving them extremely valuable items that they will be able to use forever. The sad part is that now there's no way to give these items back (unless Jagex already has, though I doubt it) since open trade was removed at the beginning of this year. The kids received community service, but knowing the Runescape community I would be willing to bet they are still snickering about it to this day, and telling themselves it was totally worth it. |
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10/21/08 3:05:50 PM#12
Originally posted by Aethios
It doesn't all go back in the box at the end of the game, though. Runescape is a persistent world like any other, and these kids knowingly tricked a third into giving them extremely valuable items that they will be able to use forever. The sad part is that now there's no way to give these items back (unless Jagex already has, though I doubt it) since open trade was removed at the beginning of this year. The kids received community service, but knowing the Runescape community I would be willing to bet they are still snickering about it to this day, and telling themselves it was totally worth it.
Well it does "go back in the box" when the game ends. It's no different than me being charged with kidnaping somebodys imaginary friend. |
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10/21/08 3:40:32 PM#13
Wow, ridiculous. What would someone do if they played EVE in a country where virtual goods are considered real goods? It's legal within the game mechanics to steal from someone in that game.
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10/21/08 3:50:19 PM#14
TOS for virtually every MMOish thing(including secondlife which feigns real ownership with real money) puts legal ownership in the hands of the developers. Basically a trial that should have never happened except on grounds of coercian and bullying. |
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10/21/08 3:59:31 PM#15
just to clarify this (im dutch) the court ruled that there was indeed a case of stealing 'real goods' PLUS abusing the kid who owned the goods. The judge said that the runescape goods represent real value and, for that reason, can be stolen. |
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10/21/08 4:21:30 PM#16
What next, will they charge you with murder for killing someone's character in PvP? Games played:
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10/21/08 4:23:47 PM#17
Horrible .. It's a game.. they scammed some kid.. If they threatened him in real life.. that's different.. but.. if not.. So?? It's a GD game. The items only have entertainment value. He cannot legaly sell them (he can sell the time.. I guess.. but since he's not employable..) They only "stole" his time.. much like this story did. Can I, now, have them prosecuted? Currently playing Real Life.. http://i36.tinypic.com/2uyod3k.gif For all your stalking needs.. |
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10/21/08 4:26:04 PM#18
Originally posted by pixeldogmeat
LoL house deeds were easy as hell to save up for, the hard part is being able to find the plot big enough for you to place them in. |
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10/21/08 4:42:43 PM#19
thats so halirious lmfao, i seriously cant stop laughing at those two. i hope they take some pictures of them and post them so i can laugh even more. sorry i got no pitty for a bunch of idiots stealing someone elses hard work. if its ok to run around and scam virtual items of players who've worked months for them, than its ok for china to steal the plans to basically everything its ever produced. but its not ok for either. i'm glad atleast one of them got punished for it though.  |
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10/21/08 4:55:17 PM#20
Originally posted by 3on1
Is there not politcal uproar about this in Holland? It makes a mockery of the law. |
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