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10/21/08 8:20:05 AM#21
Originally posted by Kaulaote
Please try not to talk about things you don't understand. Someone might actually believe you. Yes, Guild Wars is heavily instanced game. But it's a TOTALLY different game from AoC. In Guild Wars pvp and pve worlds are seperated. I play GW and I never even go pve side. Only noobs and 100% pve players do that. I just do the 4vs4, 8vs8 or 12vs12 minigames like most other players. Instancing in not a problem in this minigames environment. AoC on the other hand is about OPEN WORLD pvp so instances are REALLY bad.
You should take your own advice then. Your point explains nothing. Why does an instanced world affect Open PvP? And how does this affect PvE servers which work EXACTLY like GW servers?...except better as you CAN meet up with others in the outer world. AoC also has PvP mini-games on the PvE servers. My argument is that "instancing" does not equal a bad game...i.e: Look at GW as that example.. Guild Wars has the advantage of insta levels to 20 for PvP. This is good. But, I miss the point of your ignorant argument...care to elaborate?
Thank you
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silverreign
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IT''S AN MMO, NOT A CONSOLE! IT''S NOT MEANT TO BE SOLO''ED! |
10/21/08 9:11:41 AM#22
Originally posted by Kaulaote
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Have you even played GW? Do you know even know how it works? PvE in GW is crap and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the success of GW. People play GW because of the PvP, and in pvp it does not matter if it's instanced or not because there is NO OPEN WORLD PVP. How can you not understand this? Some people don't even consider GW a MMORPG based on the fact how the game is built. There will be open world pvp in GW2 which comes out next year, but before that , GW and AoC have very little in common. In AoC is someone kills you 2 times, you can use a carebear tactic and switch instance. Yep, that's some awesome pvp right there. It's really painful to try to find your enemies when there are multiple instances. You never know in what instance he is, and when you do find him, he'll just switch again. And minigames in AoC are a joke. Sieges have potential but need a LOT of work to make them more fun. I mean a year at least. Personally I believe it cannot be fixed. I can't wait for GW2 to comes out. No more speculation what the best pvp game is. That is the day from which on you will never see me here again. You can have this forum and all the interesting discussions, I'm out there trying to get to that top-10
awesome. we all look forward to "never seeing you here again".
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10/21/08 9:12:58 AM#23
Originally posted by Kaulaote
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Have you even played GW? Do you know even know how it works? Sorry...have only played it 3 years...so please explain it to me... PvE in GW is crap and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the success of GW. People play GW because of the PvP, and in pvp it does not matter if it's instanced or not because there is NO OPEN WORLD PVP. How can you not understand this? I will assume you have data to back this up. That NO ONE PvE's, even though it is the BEST way to get skill captures, titles, and has a great story. But, please, show me where this data exists of yours about NO ONE playing PvE. Also, I never stated it had Open World PvP, so why argue this point? Some people don't even consider GW a MMORPG based on the fact how the game is built. There will be open world pvp in GW2 which comes out next year, but before that , GW and AoC have very little in common. I still beg to differ, but really this was NOT the point of my post. My point was how well a game with instancing can do on the market and that it has nothing to do with AoC's success or failure...YOU have lost the point of this discussion. In AoC is someone kills you 2 times, you can use a carebear tactic and switch instance. Yep, that's some awesome pvp right there. It's really painful to try to find your enemies when there are multiple instances. You never know in what instance he is, and when you do find him, he'll just switch again. This mechanic exists for one reason...Spawn camping. Do you call camping someone who has just died and rezzed and then killing them while their health is down a GOOD PvP mechanic? Then by all means, turn off the ability to let someone leave an instance with a lowbie ganker who has nothing better to do than res camp...Stupid. And you are telling me that entering a mini game is a better PvP mechanic?And minigames in AoC are a joke. Sieges have potential but need a LOT of work to make them more fun. I mean a year at least. Personally I believe it cannot be fixed. Shows how much you know. They have been fixed for almost 2 months now. YOU are the one arguing something you do not understand. As to minigames being a joke...care to explain HOW? How is a minigame in AoC any different than GW. Let me see if you even know? I can't wait for GW2 to comes out. No more speculation what the best pvp game is. That is the day from which on you will never see me here again. You can have this forum and all the interesting discussions, I'm out there trying to get to that top-10 I also am interested in GW2, as it will be an awesome game. I think you are arguing with the wrong person here, as I prefer GW to AoC. But, I also can see the similarities, and closing your eyes to it is silly. The fact you pushed the argument into the PvP arena when I was discussing instances is also ridiculous. Try to stay on subject here...ok? |
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10/21/08 11:18:35 AM#24
I love the game, and looking forward, like a kid for cristmas, for every patch. In my world this is the best mmo game. Will never go back to WOW. (Played it for 4 years) |
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10/21/08 11:36:07 AM#25
Originally posted by Ronmel
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10/21/08 12:27:26 PM#26
Originally posted by courtsdad
Yip ...another "supporter appearing with a low post count "... lol Viral Marketing strikes again...lol "after the time of dice came the day of mice " |
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10/21/08 12:42:46 PM#27
I expect I have a low post count also, but I like AoC as well. Infact I'm a bit annoyed the combat is due for a 'revamp', ie-dumbing down, as I like it just the way it is. btw. This forum with Posts:2,302,833 and Members:933,944 amounts to just over 2 posts per member on average, so there must be a awful lot of low posters here. |
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10/21/08 12:56:05 PM#28
Originally posted by Darkjinxter
Don't take it personally Dark I don't have an issue with people who have a low post count ....that would be ridiculous I have an issue with the surreptitious behavior pattern we are seeing on the AOC forums here where people only logon to post positive spin about AOC...as if it's going to counter the negativity ,This is encouraged from certain Mod's on the AOC official forums.Its funny and sad at the same time "after the time of dice came the day of mice " |
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10/21/08 1:30:13 PM#29
Originally posted by bcrankshaw
Don't take it personally Dark I don't have an issue with people who have a low post count ....that would be ridiculous I have an issue with the surreptitious behavior pattern we are seeing on the AOC forums here where people only logon to post positive spin about AOC...as if it's going to counter the negativity ,This is encouraged from certain Mod's on the AOC official forums.Its funny and sad at the same time
I have read the post you talk about in AoC forum, and to be honest it is totally ok. It's a guy saying AoC MMORPG forums are full of people that comment on this game even without having tried it. I have to agree with him, that it is probably the case for more or less 50% of the posts here. I am not trying to discredit the players that give their legitimate negative opinion on the game here, it's just that there are some posters typically with a "Failcom" avatar, that spews out like 20 random negative comments withing 20 min, which really mess up the density of real player posts. If you look over these forums about 50% of the posts are made by that overactive counter AoC marketing squad that use a profile for something like 3 weeks (untill banned). Posts like 200 negative posts, then jump to another profile and repeat. So it's kind of a lot of bull in here. A AoC player can see that as the MMORPG forums in general discuss stuff that was solved several months back. So I think you have nobody else to thank for this condition than the group of people in here with a 1 week old "FailCom"profile spewing out tons of BS. It is counter marketing, and it pisses the current subscribers off. Misinformation in general seem to have that effect on people. Btw, I'm not defending AoC, I just say I like it, that I can't really understand what people are talking about when they say performance/bugs/lag. I just have exelent fun. I have probably not had as much fun in a game for a loooong while. Post what you like..LOL. But I like this game. I will see if I can make a review of the game by end of this week. Only thing is I want to make it to lvl 45-50 before I start to make that review. Have fun.
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10/21/08 1:42:05 PM#30
Originally posted by bcrankshaw
Yip ...another "supporter appearing with a low post count "... lol Viral Marketing strikes again...lol
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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10/21/08 1:46:41 PM#31
Originally posted by PezzBomb
I have read the post you talk about in AoC forum, and to be honest it is totally ok. It's a guy saying AoC MMORPG forums are full of people that comment on this game even without having tried it. I have to agree with him, that it is probably the case for more or less 50% of the posts here. A typical MMORPG post would be a guy with a Failcom avatar spam posting 20 random negative comments he read somewhere without even having tried the game. Therefore I think you also have to look too your buddies as much as you look to the people defending the game. Btw, I'm not defending AoC, I just say I like it, that I can't really understand WTF people are talking about when they say performance/bugs/lag. I just have exelent fun. I have probably not had as much fun in a game for a loooong while. Post what you like..LOL. But I like this game. I will see if I can make a review of the game by end of this week. Only thing is I want to make it to lvl 45-50 before I start to make that review. have fun.
And of course you are new here and werent here when actual players, no matter what the fanboys try to spin, post(ed) their comments. You lose all credability when you think that their lie is fact. The VAST majority of those who knock the game are or were players not just haters who were bored. So no he doesnt have to look at anyone. You are the new one. We have been here and have seen the reality. If you fail to understand that then just jump in line for some of Averys Kool-aid because thats what it has come to.
Frankly ( nothing personal) you are just a little better at viral marketing than the rest because you make it sound like you are a real player while you stretch the truth and spread the fanboys lies such as the one I mentioned above. Even if you arent you are helping them spread dishonesty. |
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10/21/08 1:56:07 PM#32
Originally posted by PezzBomb
I have read the post you talk about in AoC forum, and to be honest it is totally ok. It's a guy saying AoC MMORPG forums are full of people that comment on this game even without having tried it. I have to agree with him, that it is probably the case for more or less 50% of the posts here. I am not trying to discredit the player that are here to tell their real opinion on the game, it's in fact the guy with the Failcom avatar that spam posts 20 random negative comments withing 20 min that does that. All I am saying is that this forum has an overactive counter AoC marketing squad that use an profile for something like 3 weeks, posts like 200 negative posts, then jump to another profile and repeat. So it's kind of a lot of bull in here, a lot of stuff is discussed that was problems like several months back, but which is totally fine now. So I think you have nobody else to thank for the way communication is done in this forum. It is not marketing, it's just people pissed off with the level of misinformation. Btw, I'm not defending AoC, I just say I like it, that I can't really understand what people are talking about when they say performance/bugs/lag. I just have exelent fun. I have probably not had as much fun in a game for a loooong while. Post what you like..LOL. But I like this game. I will see if I can make a review of the game by end of this week. Only thing is I want to make it to lvl 45-50 before I start to make that review. Have fun.
Pezz I appreciate the fact you like AOC .No one can dispute your personal opinion.There are many people who do like the game and yes they have fixed certain things. What you need to understand is that many people here were burned and very disappointed by AOC ...and they have real issues with AOC that haven't been addressed or cannot be .What I would like is for you to get to level 80 and then report back on the game .I believe you are a fan ,not a viral marketer, but you haven't been exposed to the issues that drove most people away :) "after the time of dice came the day of mice " |
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10/21/08 1:59:07 PM#33
Originally posted by Kaulaote
Please spare the community from your review. don't do it. Some poor soul might read it and, God forbid, believe it! We have all seen you are unable to look at AoC critically and objectively. Don't you find it strange that most people hate AoC, some people like it but admit there are faults, and then there is you. Have you ever said anything bad about AoC? Everyone check out this guys posting history and make your own conclutions. We can only speculate your motives. I have one theory but I'm going to share it at this time. But like I said we don't need your "honest" review. Especially when you are still a lowbie. I have said this million times before: Go level up, see the endgame, play the endgame for 2 weeks, THEN come back here. I bet your initial review, "OMG ths gamez rox! 10/10", will be something AoC deserves, like mediocre 6/10 You know what's a difference between a typical AoC hater and a typical AoC fanboi? The typical AoC hater has a level 80 character. Last I checked you didn't have to have a max character to rate any games, IN fact most game reviews are based off a very short playtime. Your right on some points though, Im tired of seeing people say AoC is perfect about as mucha s I"m tired of seeing people say AoC is terrible because I choose to base my review on a single snapshot of time at the launch of an MMO even though they continually get better. |
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10/21/08 2:04:54 PM#34
I liked AOC at first. I thought it had some interesting gameplay mechanics, interesting graphics ( but kind of plasticy if you ask me ). What I didn't like was having to spend days in tortage, theres no option to bypass tortage when you create a new character, tortage is incredibly boring and I felt like there was no freedom. Also, running into invisible walls totally breaks the immersion. When I finally made it out of tortage, I was really dissapointed that the rest of the world seemed just like tortage. Same boring quests, killing boring monsters, it was just boring. I think AOC would have been great if it was re-geared to be a single player game. I just never found the massively multiplayer aspect of it. |
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10/21/08 2:16:25 PM#35
Originally posted by bcrankshaw
I have read the post you talk about in AoC forum, and to be honest it is totally ok. It's a guy saying AoC MMORPG forums are full of people that comment on this game even without having tried it. I have to agree with him, that it is probably the case for more or less 50% of the posts here. I am not trying to discredit the player that are here to tell their real opinion on the game, it's in fact the guy with the Failcom avatar that spam posts 20 random negative comments withing 20 min that does that. All I am saying is that this forum has an overactive counter AoC marketing squad that use an profile for something like 3 weeks, posts like 200 negative posts, then jump to another profile and repeat. So it's kind of a lot of bull in here, a lot of stuff is discussed that was problems like several months back, but which is totally fine now. So I think you have nobody else to thank for the way communication is done in this forum. It is not marketing, it's just people pissed off with the level of misinformation. Btw, I'm not defending AoC, I just say I like it, that I can't really understand what people are talking about when they say performance/bugs/lag. I just have exelent fun. I have probably not had as much fun in a game for a loooong while. Post what you like..LOL. But I like this game. I will see if I can make a review of the game by end of this week. Only thing is I want to make it to lvl 45-50 before I start to make that review. Have fun.
Pezz I appreciate the fact you like AOC .No one can dispute your personal opinion.There are many people who do like the game and yes they have fixed certain things. What you need to understand is that many people here were burned and very disappointed by AOC ...and they have real issues with AOC that haven't been addressed or cannot be .What I would like is for you to get to level 80 and then report back on the game .I believe you are a fan ,not a viral marketer, but you haven't been exposed to the issues that drove most people away :)
You are right about some things and wrong about others. I am not a AoC fan. Come on, AoC is just a game. But it's fun and I have been spending lots of time on it lately. nevertheless I would not say I am a fan. I am a Manchester united fan (soccer), beacause I like some of the players there and have been watching these guys for a decade, I am an Aston Martin fan because I always drool over their Auto catalogue (have also probably don that for the last 5 years), and so on... You get my point, a computergame is in general not to be played for more than tops 1/2 year on a casual nonfan level. Having said that, I just think people confuse the feeling you get when a game is over(no more content) with that the game is not good. I played Lost Planet on Xbox 360 this January and ohhh my god this game was soo good. I loved it and I had never tried something looking as fantastic before. Even so I stopped playing it in feb. Game is still fantastic though, I dig that game and can recomend it 10/10 for anyone. It's just that I played it to the end and that's it. AoC beat or at least are at the same level as Lost Planet for me. It's just really really good. I can't possibly understand how people can bitch so much about a game as fantastic as AoC. Anyway, when I have played all content of AoC I will probably put it aside, not because the game is bad, it's just over. Same thing with Halo, After finishing the game and playing a few hundred hours online I just thought it was enough while some guys just keep going and going. So try and look to what some of the people write, if a hardcore gamer pick up the game and plays it for 5 months before he puts it down, that tells me right away that this game is above average and probably quite interesting. Anyway I don't have to worry about other peoples oppinion no more because I have my own and it tells me right now, that there is a good chance I will be playing this game for another 4-5 months. Thanks for a normal response for once. |
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10/21/08 5:01:30 PM#36
People, grow up. Its a game. Some actually like it and some dont. Whats the big deal if someone like the game ? Someone have it their mission to try to convinvce the poor guy that he have to be stupid to like it and hurry over to another No named game. I know alot of people thought this was going to be their big game for this decade. Lots of people did not get what they anticipated, and got frustrated and sad. In this frustration they maybe found their goal in life, make all other not to like the game either. I have played the game from early access, and yes there have been bugs and there have been performance trouble. I have been lucky cause nothing was so off that it broke the game for me, so I stayed with my friend playing. Its really fair to say that funcom have fixed a lot of bugs, and the perfomance is way way better than the release. But still it not the game for everybody, and I cant say that you and you will like it, just that I like it. If you have a problem with that, go someplace else, cause I dont care. And if someone wonder, yes I have a Lvl 80 and several other characters still loving the game. |
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10/22/08 3:37:22 PM#37
I love AOC ! why? becaus i have a very fun time playing it !
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10/22/08 4:20:11 PM#38
Originally posted by arimer Last I checked you didn't have to have a max character to rate any games, IN fact most game reviews are based off a very short playtime. Your right on some points though, Im tired of seeing people say AoC is perfect about as mucha s I"m tired of seeing people say AoC is terrible because I choose to base my review on a single snapshot of time at the launch of an MMO even though they continually get better.
Yes and when you consider that most people say the place AOC truly fails is endgame and this guy isnt there yet and already giving it a 6/10. Whats that tell you? -Lum |
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10/22/08 4:29:08 PM#39
Originally posted by lumache Last I checked you didn't have to have a max character to rate any games, IN fact most game reviews are based off a very short playtime. Your right on some points though, Im tired of seeing people say AoC is perfect about as mucha s I"m tired of seeing people say AoC is terrible because I choose to base my review on a single snapshot of time at the launch of an MMO even though they continually get better.
Yes and when you consider that most people say the place AOC truly fails is endgame and this guy isnt there yet and already giving it a 6/10. Whats that tell you?
Who game 6/10. I belive I gave 10/10. My only comment till now is that crafting book look a bit bland, but that's such a minor thing considdering all the other mindblowing stuff FC got in place. Also I just chopped off a dusins of arms,legs and heads before arriving in Poitan so it did not affect my excellent mood. |
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10/22/08 5:19:25 PM#40
Originally posted by PezzBomb
Yeah, go try crafting. I'm sure it will blow you mind away and your excellent mood will become even more excellent |
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Agree 100% with the OP !
