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10/22/08 10:05:30 AM#21
Originally posted by k11keeper
I learned my English from FFXI. All English uses in the game are likely translated by Babelfish. It gave me real a hard time to read the non-American or British English. But if you are natural Americans should be no big deal to read non=American English. But writing good in English is another thing. For example: I suspect the translation in FFXI is not done by American or maybe an American can't write good. Or perhaps it is not the translation but the script writer, perhaps the game scripts all written by a Japanese. Don't need to sorry for him because reading the text already cuased my English fall back, Fire Him. Poor graphics is just minor thing to me. The biggest setback to this game is Combat Zoom. If the combat runs normally, I guess I would be happier. Second setback is the camera. You can still try to manage the others painfully, but combat zoom and camera are sources of fun-killer in this game. This game required heavy grinding but with poor combat mode, it is truly an anti-intelligence design. Did I mentioned use range attack is not considered in battle? If you use BOW attack without trigger /attack <t>, the game does not consider you in a battle, that's another anit-intelligence design.
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10/22/08 10:27:56 AM#22
Well the camera in ffxi did take some getting used to when I first started but after you get used to it other games will be hard to get used to. SE didn't follow the traditional layout with there MMO they seemed to make most aspects fromt he ground up. If you have camera issues though I would not recommend playing Neverwinter Nights 2 that camera was absolutely rediculous. I could never get used to it and moving around a dungeon was almost impossible at times. The reason /range <t> works outside of battle would have to be because if you were in combat mode it would be almost impossible to pull and get back to your party without getting wacked to hell. Once the mob is on the tank though using ranged attacks is cake. |
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korvix
Novice Member
Joined: 5/23/07
"My apologies to the devil, because we have only heard one side of the story." |
10/22/08 12:59:18 PM#23
Originally posted by WSIMike
Yup, that just pulled the final nail out of my coffin. I am going to resubscribe now.....Imma end up logging in and blowing all my Gil on chocobo races....again. @the person saying Windower is like cheating....wtf are you smoking it makes it more playable and adds stuff that SE cant b/c of the PS2. You are a butthurt PS2 player or just insane. If SE was really against it and felt like it was cheating they would ban the Devs for. It is not like they dont have their names tied into the project. ~HappyGaming
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10/22/08 6:20:18 PM#24
Originally posted by Larry2298 I suspect the translation in FFXI is not done by American or maybe an American can't write good. Or perhaps it is not the translation but the script writer, perhaps the game scripts all written by a Japanese. Don't need to sorry for him because reading the text already cuased my English fall back, Fire Him. Funny, I understand everything in FFXI just fine. Perhaps you're confusing the way they give Taru and Mithra their own "style" of speaking with "poor English"? Mithra deliberately have multiple r's in their speech at time and Taru have a way of talking in rhymes, or adding trailing bits on to certain words. So, if that's what you're referring to, that's not poor English, or poor translation.. It's how they have those races speaking deliberately. Poor graphics is just minor thing to me. The biggest setback to this game is Combat Zoom. If the combat runs normally, I guess I would be happier. Second setback is the camera. You can still try to manage the others painfully, but combat zoom and camera are sources of fun-killer in this game. The camera in FFXI is, like much else about the game, its own design and implementation. It has its quirks, but I can't help but feel that you over-state the issues you have, because despite its quirks, it is a perfectly usable system. And note, that I say "quirks". Not "flaws". I've never had any issue with the camera in FFXI at all. And believe me, poor camera control is something I've quit, or otherwise stopped playing other games over (Silverfall comes to mind.. *horrid* camera control in that game). In fact, the way the camera works has actually become part of how I play the game. If I'm in battle and taking too much hate, I'll unlock the camera and turn away from the mob so the tank can get hate back. If I need to get around behind the mob as Thief to set up a SATA, being locked on to the target assures that I'm always facing the mob and need only to run around behind it. The benefits go on and on. That you can't get a grasp on it doesn't mean it's "poor". Especially when so many others are playing with it just fine. This game required heavy grinding but with poor combat mode, it is truly an anti-intelligence design. Did I mentioned use range attack is not considered in battle? If you use BOW attack without trigger /attack <t>, the game does not consider you in a battle, that's another anit-intelligence design. Oh, come on... This has been explained to you *at least* once - by me. And I recall seeing others explain it. At this point, you either didn't read any of the responses you got, or did and simply want to complain about it anyway. First of all, not going into attack mode automatically is not anti-intelligent design. That you don't like it doesn't make it anti-intelligent design. There are very good reasons why it's good to not automatically go into attack mode when using ranged. One key one that is used throughout the game is when you're a puller for a party, getting mobs and bringing them back to your camp spot. That you can simply target a mob, use /range <t> and then turn and run without having to be "locked" in combat. Even if you are in attack mode, you can unlock the camera by pressing H on the keyboard or a gamepad equivalent. This has also been explained to you in the past, yet you insist on complaining about it. But there you go that's at least *one* good example of why not automatically going into attack mode when you use ranged is not only a "good" thing, but highly useful. The only problem with using /range and /attack is the one you're creating and perpetuating for yourself by ignoring the advice people here have given you in the past, time and again. Besides that, once again, I personally provided you with macros to use to use a ranged attack and then automatically go into attack mode. I posted this for you at least 2 weeks ago. I'll provide it for you once more. Please read it this time. Target your mob, then use a macro with the following lines: Line 1: /attack on Line 2: /wait 2 Line 3: /range <t> That's it... 3 simple lines and all your "problems" with using ranged attack are solved. If you don't know how to make a macro, Google it. There's plenty of info out there on it. As for the battle system.. Again, your inability to get a grasp on it doesn't make it poor. And when you get farther into the game, start partying, using skill-chains, magic-bursts and understanding the different types of damage, what elements have the most effect on mobs, aggro management and on and on... it's *far* from an "un-intelligent" design. Seems more likely that it's just too much beyond *you* to be able to grasp it, and the problems you're having with the game are those you're creating - or perpetuating - for yourself. If you spent more time trying to actually learn the game, and less time looking for things to whine about - and your list just keeps getting longer - you'd be having a better time of it. Look... I honestly don't know what your agenda is here. It's almost impossible to believe you're seriously trying to play and enjoy the game, because those who post for that reason will bring up their concerns/questions, accept the solutions they're offered (as you've been given many times now by several people here) and go on to enjoy the game. You, on the other hand ignore any solutions you're given and come right back to complain about the same exact things only weeks later. So what's your deal? Are you trying to enjoy the game, or are you simply here to keep bitching, whining and complaining about it, even when you no longer have any reason to? |
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10/22/08 7:02:11 PM#25
Welll..... yes and no. I don't advocate the use of 3rd party tools that provide an advantage to one player that isn't available to all players (ie. PS2 and 360 users do not have access to such add-ons). However, you can use Windower without it automatically being cheating. I did for a time before SE implemented the native windowed support. Simply don't use any of those types of plug-ins. I used Windower so I could alt-tab out of game without having to log out, etc. The only add-on I used was the one that allowed me to render the terrain farther away... which was purely for aesthetics and gave no tactical advantage either. I always felt "wierd" about it, though, 'cause I was using a 3rd party app, although I wasn't using it to cheat. So, when SE implemented native windowed mode, I stopped using it. I agree, too, that the argument people use that "SE didn't implement them because..." is empty. It also implies that they would have, "if they could". SE could have implemented support to see other players' TP bars, or any other such thing. They didn't implement them because they didn't want to, because it' undermines the need to communicate in a party, which is one of the things they emphasize in the game's design...party coordination through communication. Whether or not they "could", I highly doubt they would have implemented into the game the ability to read the game's memory to see where and when a NM's time and place of death was, as well as to know which mobs are the placeholders (in the case of lottery spawns) and to know when it's spawned, and then automatically run - or even warp - to it and claim it before it even appears on screen. Yet there's a plug-in for Windower that does that. Whether or not they "could", I doubt SE would have implemented the ability to run at "Flee" speeds or faster without THF being an active main or sub job, or having a piece of gear equipped that provides it. Yet there's a plug-in for Windower that lets you do that. Whether or not they "could", I doubt SE would have implemented an automated fishing system that automatically equips bait, casts and can target specific fish and avoid catching monsters by reading the game's memory and knowing what's on the line... releasing whatever the user don't want and only catching what they do. Yet there's a plug-in for Windower that does that. The examples go on and on... And those are all things that people *do* use Windower for. So seriously... the argument that "Windower only allows the things that SE couldn't do..." is a false and completely transparent attempt to justify using add-ons for personal advantage. It's a lie. If you're going to use such add-ons that give you an advantage that other players don't, or can't use then that's your business and your account you risk at having banned if you're busted. But at least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge it for what it is... cheating.
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10/23/08 12:32:54 PM#26
Guy why do you keep anwsering to this larry........ he always complain about the same thing over and over. He is just a hater and a troll. Stop feeding him so he will stop is babling. |
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10/23/08 12:55:38 PM#27
Originally posted by WSIMike
So what's your deal? Are you trying to enjoy the game, or are you simply here to keep bitching, whining and complaining about it, even when you no longer have any reason to?
The reason I use BOW attack because it is the only attack get me out of the stupid combat zoom. It's pitty there is no way to use range weapon skill. Honestly, I think it is no need to learn just to get used to the poor design. Currently, I am playing 2 accounts, and going to continue with 2 accounts. I am playing in extremely slow speed. For one month, my highest still level 11 warrior. I have 10 Content IDs, just now, there are not much new things to share with you, perhaps one more week, then I will advanced to lv 12 into La Thein Plateou, perhaps I could share my little insight with you guys by then. I may wanted to write a 2008 New Strategy for new Player Guide sooner or later or maybe not. Just keep your eyes open.
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Satimasu
Hard Core Member
Joined: 6/24/07
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse |
10/23/08 3:30:10 PM#28
What the freak man? "Combat zoom" is lock on. Config, turn it off. Goodness... stop acting ignorant.
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10/24/08 1:05:27 AM#29
Um, back on topic, for what its worth I'm giving it a shot again 8D. Honestly, its basically as people mentioned before. I'm really not satisfied with the MMOs that have been released post WoW. Yeah they're different, and most are at least slightly deeper than WoW, but ultimately developers are still stuck sticking somewhat close to the WoW formula to ensure sales, and they just don't hold the depth I'm looking for. I don't want everything handed to me, the achievements become worthless then when you get them. I have a feeling games like FFXI will be around for quite some time. There are still plenty of throwbacks from the times of early UO/EQ still around in the MMO community looking for a game that has more to it than grinding out a few easy to obtain levels. I might give Aion a shot when it hits a few months down the line, but honestly, I have a feeling its going to be in a similar vein as the rest, in which case, I'm likely coming right back to FFXI. Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts. EAT ME MMORPG.com! |
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10/24/08 9:33:09 AM#30
Originally posted by Satimasu
Stop tallking ignorance. What was the exactly path in Config to turn off the Combat Zoom?
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10/24/08 9:47:06 AM#31
Originally posted by Silok
Well... I don't think he'll stop regardless. He seems to enjoy whining too much. The problem is this... You see how often he posts? And, you see how often his posts are complaining about some aspect of the game? And further, you see how many times his complaints are based on incorrect information - even *after* it's been explained to him? Well, too many times I've seen people read posts like his and, not knowing any better, say "Oh man, this game has a lot of problems. I better stay away". It's one thing to want to not try/play/do something because it's simply not for you. It's another to be turned away because of bad information from someone who didn't know what they were talking about. I'm just trying to help keep the facts straight here, so people are at least getting the correct information. I stopped posting anything specifically for his edification a while ago, even though I am directly responding to his posts. He's made it pretty much abundantly clear that FFXI is way over his head and he's only here to complain. So yeah.. there ya go :)
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10/24/08 10:11:19 AM#32
Originally posted by Larry2298 I may wanted to write a 2008 New Strategy for new Player Guide sooner or later or maybe not. Just keep your eyes open. LOL! Someone who can't grasp the basics of the game is considering writing a new player's guide. That's rich. What will you call it: Fankly, there's already plenty of new player guides out there. Square-Enix has one on their own website, as a series of videos, which you can get to by Clicking Here: SE's New Player Videos Also, there's a great podcast called Limit Break Radio that has now 2 years worth of shows that discuss everything from starting out in the game, to different jobs, to some of the activities in the game, etc. etc. For new players, I suggest going to the second page (via the "Older Episodes" link at the bottom of the page linked above) and listen to "Episode 27: LBR's Gigantious Beginners Guide to Vana'diel". You can access those by clicking here: Then there's FFXIClopedia - a huge and very active wiki site that covers pretty much everything you could ever want to know about FFXI. And there are many, many other resources out there. So, frankly, the last thing the community needs is a "guide" written by someone who can't grasp the game themself. It's like an illiterate man offering to teach others to read.
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10/24/08 10:19:43 AM#33
Originally posted by Larry2298
Stop tallking ignorance. What was the exactly path in Config to turn off the Combat Zoom?
Actually what you're doing now is called being "willfully ignorant" - or "acting dumb on purpose". For the THIRD time... Press 'H' on the keyboard (in compact mode), or the gamepad equivalent to unlock the camera. Then you can run around as freely as you want. Now will I have to say it a 4th time? Or will it sink in, finally.... FFS... When I was a brand-new player and none of us NA players knew what we were doing, I figured this out on my own. Why the hell can't you, even after being told at least twice now? |
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10/24/08 11:07:13 AM#34
Originally posted by Larry2298
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Satimasu
Hard Core Member
Joined: 6/24/07
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse |
10/24/08 9:13:45 PM#35
He said "combat zoom" right? He means lock on or what? Because you just go to the main menu and go to config and gameplay and switch auto-target to off. How was that a mis-statement on my part? Have newer MMO's gotten so bad to the point where everything has to be explained to a person for something as simple as getting to the in-game config? The one that's on the main menu? Do I need to put in a screenshot so you can see it? I turned off auto-lock on my first week in the game. How could you not figure out any of these things after multiple posts on how to do it? I didn't think I had to be so detailed on how to get to the config.
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10/25/08 9:42:44 AM#36
Originally posted by Satimasu I don't know what he's talking about anymore to be honest lol. If that is what he's talking about, then I stand corrected. I don't dig into the config very much other than to tweak a few settings after I first reinstall the game. So I probably have just overlooked it. Though if that is what he's after, I'd have thought my telling him to simply hit 'H' to toggle target lock on or off during a fight was adequate. It basically does the same thing you describe, only it's not automatic. I think he wants FFXI to be exactly like other MMOs he's played. Because it isn't, and he's (very obviously) having trouble getting a grasp of even the basics, he's blaming the game. That 100s of thousands have been playing the game for 6+ years now (including JP release) and doing just fine means nothing to him. Naw... *can't* be *him*. It *must* be the game. Because they don't see virtually everything thing in the game as a glaring flaw, as he does, he dismisses them as "n00bs". I love irony. On that note, I wouldn't hold my breath for him to admit you've proven him wrong (even if you have) and actually honor his word to go away. He'll just continue to complain about it, because that's what it seems he's here to do: whine and bitch and complain. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong on that last part. |
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Satimasu
Hard Core Member
Joined: 6/24/07
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse |
10/25/08 9:59:28 AM#37
Originally posted by WSIMike I don't know what he's talking about anymore to be honest lol. No, I think he doesn't like how it automatically zooms you in when you're fighting something and you can't move the camera around, while locked on. I could have sworn there was something like that in config also, but when I looked I couldn't find it. Not like it matters... Even if it was explained to him, he'd keep complaining about it anyway. It's what he's done with other things he's posted about already. He just likes to whine.
That's funny, because if he doesn't like it zooming in, an easy way to fix it is to just turn off auto-lock. I'll turn it on just to align myself with the mob if I don't feel like manually doing it. But, I guess we're just talking to a brick wall, right?
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10/25/08 10:01:17 AM#38
Originally posted by Satimasu
That's funny, because if he doesn't like it zooming in, an easy way to fix it is to just turn off auto-lock. I'll turn in on just to align myself with the mob if I don't feel like manually doing it. But, I guess we're just talking to a brick wall, right?
/agree That's exactly what pressing "H" on the keyboard (in compact mode) or pressing the appropriate button on a gamepad does. I told him this weeks ago. That's why I think he's either: Brick wall sounds about right. Though I think 'willfully ignorant' is still a perfect description as well. (Bah.. lol you replied to an earlier version of my post... I have this tendency to post in like 3 or 4 sessions... Post.. read... modify... read... modify read.., etc.. 'til I feel I've made my point well enough... but anyway :-p) |
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Bonemane
Novice Member
Joined: 10/15/04
Only one thing creates peace and that's me "The Hitman". Xfire ID= mercyslayer |
11/10/08 5:55:47 AM#39
Lol why did you guys even bother to talk to this guy? I was looking for a new MMORPG to play and found a thread he made. www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/195812 Honestly Larry, I know the guys told you to try playing p2p games instead of f2p, but you honestly picked the worst p2p game to play for yourself. FFXI is beyond you almost completely. If you can't grasp the basic rules of crafting then trying to play FFXI is gonna be like god himself trying to commit suicide. What I just said is problably a level of impossible that you wont understand either. Edit: I've started reading some of Larry's past posts and I find them quite hilarious. He likes quests where you only go exactly one FOOT between NPCs and get HUGE rewards, he thinks crafting items is 100% success just because he was dumb enough to pay almost 60 bucks just to upgrade his weapon, he needs help to know exactly how to get to config in FFXI when its right in the main menu, oh lets not forget he thought how the characters talked in game was how english was spoken literally. Did you not notice the extra r's on your character when you typed something even though you know you didn't type it like that? Jesus Christ I noticed that in under 10 minutes on my first day. Or were you talking to the NPCs and thought how they talked was standard english? Oh and Larry STOP wasting your damn money!!! Just because people tell you to play p2p games doesn't mean you sign up for 4-5 different p2p games with subscription costs over 12 bucks a month each. I'm guessing you paid for 6 month subscriptions on all of them too. God you're a sucker. No wonder you're only level 11 in FFXI after a month. No way you're gonna be playing all those games and be able to gain levels quickly in each of them. Keep putting money into games Larry, I know devs love you. I'm gonna get a team together and we're gonna make a game soon it won't be p2p its gonna be f2p with cash shops that honor real life value. So like in your house if you want to buy a real good chair, that chair's gonna be 80 bucks. If you wanna buy a sword crafted from the finest smith's in Italy then it's gonna cost no less than $300 us money of course. I'm gonna need you to beta test it though ASAP. ![]() Noble and true, you are the hero other heroes aspire to be. You are a natural leader, selfless and kind, who will put the lives of others above your own, and are steadfast in your pursuit of justice. GamerDNA=Bonemane |
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11/10/08 5:23:36 PM#40
Originally posted by Bonemane
Ouch.. lol. Larry hasn't been here for a while now. I think he finally took the hint and moved on to something a bit more within his grasp. Or he's working on his new player guide to show us all how you really play the game.
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